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About that plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan…FBI was involved a lot more than at glance
Hmmm!

Quote:To some, the FBI’s infiltration of the innermost circle of armed anti-government groups is a model for how to successfully forestall dangerous acts of domestic terrorism. But for others, it’s an example of precisely the kind of outrageous government overreach that radicalizes people in the first place, and, increasingly, a flashpoint for deep state conspiracy theories.

An examination of the case by BuzzFeed News also reveals that some of those informants, acting under the direction of the FBI, played a far larger role than has previously been reported.

Working in secret, they did more than just passively observe and report on the actions of the suspects. Instead, they had a hand in nearly every aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception. The extent of their involvement raises questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy without them.

A longtime government informant from Wisconsin, for example, helped organize a series of meetings around the country where many of the alleged plotters first met one another and the earliest notions of a plan took root, some of those people say. The Wisconsin informant even paid for some hotel rooms and food as an incentive to get people to come.

The Iraq War vet, for his part, became so deeply enmeshed in a Michigan militant group that he rose to become its second-in-command, encouraging members to collaborate with other potential suspects and paying for their transportation to meetings. He prodded the alleged mastermind of the kidnapping plot to advance his plan, then baited the trap that led to the arrest.

But the defendants, as well as others caught up in the sweeping investigation — which stretched from Baltimore to Kansas City — claim their talk never rose beyond the level of fantasy and they never intended to harm anyone. Although they have not denied participating in training events, attending meetings, and communicating with other defendants, they claim that no actual conspiracy to kidnap the governor ever existed.

Instead, they say, they were targeted because of their political views. Some describe the case as a premeditated campaign by the government to undermine the Patriot movement, an ideology based on fealty to the Second Amendment and the conviction that the government has violated the Constitution and is therefore illegitimate. They argue that the recordings and text messages that the government calls proof of a criminal conspiracy are in fact constitutionally protected speech — expressions of frustration at what they see as the government’s betrayal of its citizens.

Attorneys for all but one of the defendants declined invitations to comment on the record for this story. To date, one defendant has formally accused the government of entrapment, arguing that the FBI assembled the key plotters, encouraged the group's anti-government feelings, and even gave its members military-style training. Additional defendants have said they plan to make similar claims when the cases, divided between federal and state court, go to trial starting as soon as October.

Last week, the lawyer for one defendant filed a motion that included texts from an FBI agent to a key informant, the Iraq War veteran, directing him to draw specific people into the conspiracy — potential evidence of entrapment that he said the government “inadvertently disclosed.” He is requesting all texts sent and received by that informant, and other attorneys are now considering motions that accuse the government of intentionally withholding evidence of entrapment.

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RE: About that plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan…FBI was involved a lot more than at glance
I wonder how many they had at the Capitol building?
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RE: About that plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan…FBI was involved a lot more than at glance
(07-21-2021 06:26 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  I wonder how many they had at the Capitol building?

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So far, two FBI agents have been arrested who were a part of this sting. (One for beating his wife the other day) And this is after the case was already blowing up in the DA's face.

And now it turns out that all of the malicious stuff was carried out by FBI agents.
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Why does this not shock near ANYONE?!?

FBI/DOJ Completely out of control.

This is just nuts.
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FBI: "We just thwarted an assasination attempt on Whitmer!"

Reality: "A bunch of fbi agents planned an assassination attempt on Whitmer, then tried to frame it on people who wanted to protest Whitmer's shutdown orders"
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RE: About that plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan…FBI was involved a lot more than at glance
(07-21-2021 12:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why does this not shock near ANYONE?!?

FBI/DOJ/ *IC* Completely out of control.

This is just nuts.

Fixed it for you
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RE: About that plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan…FBI was involved a lot more than at glance
Sounds like the wife got some, and he didnt.

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lulz, THIS IS THE FBI.......



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03-lmfao

Were gummy and stork invited to the swinger party?

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RE: About that plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan…FBI was involved a lot more than at glance
Sometimes I think maybe this country needs to just go on and fail big time. Get it over with. Shake it up and see where the pieces land and go from there. There is so damn much corruption, graft, greed and intense hunger for power in all aspects of our lives these days yet the average person goes through their life blissfully unaware of it, or at least unwilling to acknowledge it. Such a sad state of affairs that it has become status quo.
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RE: About that plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan…FBI was involved a lot more than at glance
(07-22-2021 09:15 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Sometimes I think maybe this country needs to just go on and fail big time. Get it over with. Shake it up and see where the pieces land and go from there. There is so damn much corruption, graft, greed and intense hunger for power in all aspects of our lives these days yet the average person goes through their life blissfully unaware of it, or at least unwilling to acknowledge it. Such a sad state of affairs that it has become status quo.

Some would rather deceive themselves and willfully be deceived by others than face reality. Some don’t want to be ‘free’ and would desire to be lead around even towards their own destruction



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(07-22-2021 09:29 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  
(07-22-2021 09:15 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Sometimes I think maybe this country needs to just go on and fail big time. Get it over with. Shake it up and see where the pieces land and go from there. There is so damn much corruption, graft, greed and intense hunger for power in all aspects of our lives these days yet the average person goes through their life blissfully unaware of it, or at least unwilling to acknowledge it. Such a sad state of affairs that it has become status quo.

Some would rather deceive themselves and willfully be deceived by others than face reality. Some don’t want to be ‘free’ and would desire to be lead around even towards their own destruction




Good stuff! Well done.
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What happens when there is absolutely no leadership and what "leadership" the FBI did have goes rougue.



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(07-22-2021 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  What happens when there is absolutely no leadership and what "leadership" the FBI did have goes rougue.



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This already hapopened years ago. The only saving grace we have is that some of the rank and file members will still blow the whistle on them.
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(07-22-2021 11:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(07-22-2021 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  What happens when there is absolutely no leadership and what "leadership" the FBI did have goes rougue.



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This already hapopened years ago. The only saving grace we have is that some of the rank and file members will still blow the whistle on them.

I don’t recall the ‘rank & file’ spilling the beans on this stuff these past 4 or 5 years let alone in the past 20 something years or so. Sure we read a lot of FOIA-released emails where they question actions among themselves but that’s about it.
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