(07-21-2021 09:32 AM)memtigbb Wrote: I am sure, like in most cases, there is a middle-ground... but come on people, anyone who thinks Fauci is a stand-up righteous guy has to be idiots. This guy has done some really shady **** and definitely gets off being in the limelight.
I think he's a washed up bureaucrat who has no idea what to do when being in the limelight. But he'll skate on lying to Congress since I believe the money in question was a grant from NIH to a third entity, who then gave money to this lab. Semantics, I know but that's politics.
(07-21-2021 09:32 AM)memtigbb Wrote: I am sure, like in most cases, there is a middle-ground... but come on people, anyone who thinks Fauci is a stand-up righteous guy has to be idiots. This guy has done some really shady **** and definitely gets off being in the limelight.
I think he's a washed up bureaucrat who has no idea what to do when being in the limelight. But he'll skate on lying to Congress since I believe the money in question was a grant from NIH to a third entity, who then gave money to this lab. Semantics, I know but that's politics.
Sounds to me like he is trying to say that because the GoF research his institute gave grants to the Wuhan Lab were not the variants that are now in the public so those dont count. Not that they didnt give the grants. He is definitely playing the semantics but the simple question of.... did the NIH fund GoF research (which was banned regardless of variants) is a resounding yes. Which was illegal and he broke the law.
Lex Luther would have loved to have created a virus that caused a world wide pandemic and killed 4 million people. Lex Luther is no Anthony Fauci.
And it is this accusation right here that gives Fauci the room to maneuver himself clear. If what he says is true, and as of now there is no evidence to prove otherwise, the grants were not used on the variants that killed 4mil people. Everytime someone throws that accusation at him, it gives him the ability to say that is not true and then the press makes it seem like it is Paul who is lying, not Fauci. Keep it simple and keep it to the facts.. did the NIH give grants for GoF even though it was banned to do so, regardless of variant. Then it is on him to either straight out lie or admit the truth. The proof is there to show him lying if he says no.
Reminds me of Romney in the debate against Obama where Romney misquoted Obama in the "Rose Garden" and Romney would not stop.. every time it went back to Romney he would immediately go back to the Rose Garden speech and Obama would just smirk and say "I never said that". Even though Obama knew he said something very very very close to what Romney was accusing him of, one or two words different allowed Obama to completely deny the entire conversation and the media was able to say "Romney was wrong".
Lex Luther would have loved to have created a virus that caused a world wide pandemic and killed 4 million people. Lex Luther is no Anthony Fauci.
And it is this accusation right here that gives Fauci the room to maneuver himself clear. If what he says is true, and as of now there is no evidence to prove otherwise, the grants were not used on the variants that killed 4mil people. Everytime someone throws that accusation at him, it gives him the ability to say that is not true and then the press makes it seem like it is Paul who is lying, not Fauci. Keep it simple and keep it to the facts.. did the NIH give grants for GoF even though it was banned to do so, regardless of variant. Then it is on him to either straight out lie or admit the truth. The proof is there to show him lying if he says no.
Agreed.
Rand and those that support his argument must be VERY specific in the charge they are leveling against Fauci.
The issue is the NIH giving grants to the Wuhan Institute for GoF research when it was banned to do so. Do NOT open this door about "killing 4m people".
(07-21-2021 09:32 AM)memtigbb Wrote: I am sure, like in most cases, there is a middle-ground... but come on people, anyone who thinks Fauci is a stand-up righteous guy has to be idiots. This guy has done some really shady **** and definitely gets off being in the limelight.
I think he's a washed up bureaucrat who has no idea what to do when being in the limelight. But he'll skate on lying to Congress since I believe the money in question was a grant from NIH to a third entity, who then gave money to this lab. Semantics, I know but that's politics.
No different than money laundering. The communications between Fauci and the doctor with that third party firm clearly showed Fauci knew where the money was going and what it was for.
Quote:Whenever Dr. Anthony Fauci has to see Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, it’s a bad day for him because it usually means he’s going to have more of his shady dealings and contradictions dragged kicking and screaming into the light.
Paul hasn’t given Fauci a break since their first meeting and their last one sent Fauci into an angry rant. Paul, once again, cornered Fauci about his connection to the Wuhan lab where gain-of-function was being done on the COVID-19 virus and where it also may have leaked from, subsequently causing the global pandemic. Paul reminded Fauci that it’s a crime to lie to congress and asked if, in light of the evidence, he wants to walk back his statements that he and the NIH were not connected in any way to the Wuhan lab.
It was a moment that caused Fauci to visibly lose his cool and begin shouting accusations at Paul of being a conspiracy theorist.
Paul is keeping the pressure outside of the hearings as well. Appearing on “Fox News Primetime” on Tuesday night, where he revealed that Fauci is silencing other scientists through intimidation who aren’t entirely trusting of Fauci’s claims about anything.
“He has been [at NIH] for 40 years; probably 39 years too long. But he controls all the funding,” Paul said. “So, people are deathly afraid of him. Researchers will not speak out. Why have there not been other scientists?”
“I get letters from scientists all the time,” he continued. “You can find them. They’re very distrustful of what he’s saying. They don’t think he’s making sense. They don’t think he’s reading the science accurately.”
“But they’re afraid to speak out because many of them are university scientists, and they depend on NIH funds, and to cross him means it’s the last money you’ll ever get,” added Paul.
Fauci’s iron grip on the funding of scientists around the nation isn’t the only problem. He’s also ignoring sound advice and research from other scientists on COVID-19, including one that flat-out pointed out how China was lying about the nature of the virus and one that pointed out that the virus was likely engineered in the lab.
Meaning Fauci doesn’t just have a tyrannical grip on the scientific community, he’s also dictating the narrative of the scientific community, which makes him more of a bureaucrat than a scientist.
Fauci essential is trying to argue that because its animal to human then its not gain of function, and that it would have the be human to human to be gain of function.
You don't need 7 Phd's to know that is complete and utter BS and the man is a massive liar.
They altered animal viruses to gain function for human transmission. Its only now that they feel the need to redefine the term and limit it to human to human function instead.
The point is you altered viruses to create new supervirues that can infect humans. That is the whole point of saying NO GAIN OF FUNCTION. Whether the viruses originated from humans or animals is totally beside the point.
(This post was last modified: 07-21-2021 06:47 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
Quote:A columnist for the Washington Post admitted on Tuesday that Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) was correct in Tuesday’s heated back and forth between the senator and Dr. Anthony Fauci over the White House chief medical adviser’s denial of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) funding gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
“Hey guys,@RandPaul was right and Fauci was wrong. The NIH was funding gain of function research in Wuhan but NIH pretended it didn’t meet their ‘gain of function’ definition to avoid their own oversight mechanism,” Josh Rogin, a columnist for the Washington Post, said Tuesday.
“SorryNotSorry if that doesn’t fit your favorite narrative,” he added:
Indeed, in May, Fauci admitted the NIH funded the Wuhan lab but denied gain-of-function research despite describing it as “taking a virus that could infect humans and making it either more transmissible and/or pathogenic for humans” — as detailed in the paper Paul cited during Tuesday’s hearing.
According to the Daily Caller News Foundation, the “NIH subagency that awarded the grant to the nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance to study Chinese bat coronaviruses opted against” running the grant through the Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) committee, essentially sidestepping the safeguards for such research.
Quote:A columnist for the Washington Post admitted on Tuesday that Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) was correct in Tuesday’s heated back and forth between the senator and Dr. Anthony Fauci over the White House chief medical adviser’s denial of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) funding gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
“Hey guys,@RandPaul was right and Fauci was wrong. The NIH was funding gain of function research in Wuhan but NIH pretended it didn’t meet their ‘gain of function’ definition to avoid their own oversight mechanism,” Josh Rogin, a columnist for the Washington Post, said Tuesday.
“SorryNotSorry if that doesn’t fit your favorite narrative,” he added:
Indeed, in May, Fauci admitted the NIH funded the Wuhan lab but denied gain-of-function research despite describing it as “taking a virus that could infect humans and making it either more transmissible and/or pathogenic for humans” — as detailed in the paper Paul cited during Tuesday’s hearing.
According to the Daily Caller News Foundation, the “NIH subagency that awarded the grant to the nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance to study Chinese bat coronaviruses opted against” running the grant through the Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) committee, essentially sidestepping the safeguards for such research.
Jeff Bezos leaves the planet for like 15 minutes and his paper shows signs of actual journalism...coincidence?????
(07-21-2021 06:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: He'll do as much time as Hillary. This admin and this DOJ will never allow him to be held accountable much less punished with jail time.
What would you charge him with?
Did you not bother to listen to the exchange between he and Paul?? If not why are you even engaging here? Lying to Congress is a crime.
(07-21-2021 06:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: He'll do as much time as Hillary. This admin and this DOJ will never allow him to be held accountable much less punished with jail time.
(07-21-2021 06:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: He'll do as much time as Hillary. This admin and this DOJ will never allow him to be held accountable much less punished with jail time.
What would you charge him with?
Did you not bother to listen to the exchange between he and Paul?? If not why are you even engaging here? Lying to Congress is a crime.
I did. I think you'd have a really tough time winning. Those prosecutors don't like taking cases they probably won't win.
(07-21-2021 06:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: He'll do as much time as Hillary. This admin and this DOJ will never allow him to be held accountable much less punished with jail time.
What would you charge him with?
Beyond the obvious, lying to Congress, what about treason for funding the research of a bio weapon with a foreign government in direct violation of rules in place to explicitly prevent that funding?
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