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Are saying that DeAndre Williams is a small ball center. Pass it on.

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Good.
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Is that some sort of secret, lol?
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(07-17-2021 12:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Is that some sort of secret, lol?

Apparently if you weren't watching last year.
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No doubt that last year when the Tigers went small, Deandre played the 5 on D. Funny thing is he often played point on O. Such a good versatile player.

The question is, are the Tigers best when playing that way? Last year, they had some of their best runs and turnarounds when going small. Others have pointed out that the other team tended to catch-on in-game after a while and made adjustments. But as a whole, they were very good going "small". The only argument really was how long it was effective.

My interpretation of what Rothstein is saying, is that could be what the Tigers are leaning towards running the majority of the time. I would not be surprised at all, because I think ET, DW, LQ, LN all have to start. So if you believe that, then the resulting question is - do you add a 1 or a 5? I tend to think they have to have a 1 on the court - for D and for primary backcourt ball handling. So I'm leaning to thinking the starters will be AL, LQ, LN, ET, DW. At least to start the season.
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(07-19-2021 05:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No doubt that last year when the Tigers went small, Deandre played the 5 on D. Funny thing is he often played point on O. Such a good versatile player.

The question is, are the Tigers best when playing that way? Last year, they had some of their best runs and turnarounds when going small. Others have pointed out that the other team tended to catch-on in-game after a while and made adjustments. But as a whole, they were very good going "small". The only argument really was how long it was effective.

My interpretation of what Rothstein is saying, is that could be what the Tigers are leaning towards running the majority of the time. I would not be surprised at all, because I think ET, DW, LQ, LN all have to start. So if you believe that, then the resulting question is - do you add a 1 or a 5? I tend to think they have to have a 1 on the court - for D and for primary backcourt ball handling. So I'm leaning to thinking the starters will be AL, LQ, LN, ET, DW. At least to start the season.

Ideally, Lomax runs the point with Williams at the 4 and Dandridge is healthy and makes a big leap this year. On every possession, you run the offense through both of them.
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(07-19-2021 06:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 05:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No doubt that last year when the Tigers went small, Deandre played the 5 on D. Funny thing is he often played point on O. Such a good versatile player.

The question is, are the Tigers best when playing that way? Last year, they had some of their best runs and turnarounds when going small. Others have pointed out that the other team tended to catch-on in-game after a while and made adjustments. But as a whole, they were very good going "small". The only argument really was how long it was effective.

My interpretation of what Rothstein is saying, is that could be what the Tigers are leaning towards running the majority of the time. I would not be surprised at all, because I think ET, DW, LQ, LN all have to start. So if you believe that, then the resulting question is - do you add a 1 or a 5? I tend to think they have to have a 1 on the court - for D and for primary backcourt ball handling. So I'm leaning to thinking the starters will be AL, LQ, LN, ET, DW. At least to start the season.

Ideally, Lomax runs the point with Williams at the 4 and Dandridge is healthy and makes a big leap this year. On every possession, you run the offense through both of them.

So who doesn't start? Quinones, Nolley or Timberlake? I think they all start, and Dandridge doesn't.
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(07-19-2021 08:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 06:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 05:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No doubt that last year when the Tigers went small, Deandre played the 5 on D. Funny thing is he often played point on O. Such a good versatile player.

The question is, are the Tigers best when playing that way? Last year, they had some of their best runs and turnarounds when going small. Others have pointed out that the other team tended to catch-on in-game after a while and made adjustments. But as a whole, they were very good going "small". The only argument really was how long it was effective.

My interpretation of what Rothstein is saying, is that could be what the Tigers are leaning towards running the majority of the time. I would not be surprised at all, because I think ET, DW, LQ, LN all have to start. So if you believe that, then the resulting question is - do you add a 1 or a 5? I tend to think they have to have a 1 on the court - for D and for primary backcourt ball handling. So I'm leaning to thinking the starters will be AL, LQ, LN, ET, DW. At least to start the season.

Ideally, Lomax runs the point with Williams at the 4 and Dandridge is healthy and makes a big leap this year. On every possession, you run the offense through both of them.

So who doesn't start? Quinones, Nolley or Timberlake? I think they all start, and Dandridge doesn't.

Ideally, the Dandridge/Sam tandem and Williams get 30 minutes each. LQ, Nolley, Timberlake and Lomax have a base of 25 each, with whoever is playing best/is the best matchup splitting 10 more among them. 20 for Minott and the rest can split the other 10. If Camden is good, he gets 10 minutes and Minott gets 15.

Penny usually has a short leash with big men though; it will be interesting to see how Brown affects this. I see Penny deferring almost 100% to him.

If Dandridge isn't healthy or doesn't improve, Sam isn't very good, or Duren comes on board (I think he does), that obviously changes everything.
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(07-19-2021 11:35 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(07-17-2021 12:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Is that some sort of secret, lol?

Apparently if you weren't watching last year.

The “moles” are in my yard
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(07-19-2021 08:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 08:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 06:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 05:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No doubt that last year when the Tigers went small, Deandre played the 5 on D. Funny thing is he often played point on O. Such a good versatile player.

The question is, are the Tigers best when playing that way? Last year, they had some of their best runs and turnarounds when going small. Others have pointed out that the other team tended to catch-on in-game after a while and made adjustments. But as a whole, they were very good going "small". The only argument really was how long it was effective.

My interpretation of what Rothstein is saying, is that could be what the Tigers are leaning towards running the majority of the time. I would not be surprised at all, because I think ET, DW, LQ, LN all have to start. So if you believe that, then the resulting question is - do you add a 1 or a 5? I tend to think they have to have a 1 on the court - for D and for primary backcourt ball handling. So I'm leaning to thinking the starters will be AL, LQ, LN, ET, DW. At least to start the season.

Ideally, Lomax runs the point with Williams at the 4 and Dandridge is healthy and makes a big leap this year. On every possession, you run the offense through both of them.

So who doesn't start? Quinones, Nolley or Timberlake? I think they all start, and Dandridge doesn't.

Ideally, the Dandridge/Sam tandem and Williams get 30 minutes each. LQ, Nolley, Timberlake and Lomax have a base of 25 each, with whoever is playing best/is the best matchup splitting 10 more among them. 20 for Minott and the rest can split the other 10. If Camden is good, he gets 10 minutes and Minott gets 15.

That sounds pretty close. But who starts? Doesn't matter to fans as much - but it certainly matters to players.
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It will be match up related, you face someone like that big dude (with WKY? last name started with a B) in the early tourny last year and you will have to have more Dandridge mins.

TG _ my pest guy said I had Voles rather than moles.
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(07-20-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 08:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 08:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 06:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 05:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No doubt that last year when the Tigers went small, Deandre played the 5 on D. Funny thing is he often played point on O. Such a good versatile player.

The question is, are the Tigers best when playing that way? Last year, they had some of their best runs and turnarounds when going small. Others have pointed out that the other team tended to catch-on in-game after a while and made adjustments. But as a whole, they were very good going "small". The only argument really was how long it was effective.

My interpretation of what Rothstein is saying, is that could be what the Tigers are leaning towards running the majority of the time. I would not be surprised at all, because I think ET, DW, LQ, LN all have to start. So if you believe that, then the resulting question is - do you add a 1 or a 5? I tend to think they have to have a 1 on the court - for D and for primary backcourt ball handling. So I'm leaning to thinking the starters will be AL, LQ, LN, ET, DW. At least to start the season.

Ideally, Lomax runs the point with Williams at the 4 and Dandridge is healthy and makes a big leap this year. On every possession, you run the offense through both of them.

So who doesn't start? Quinones, Nolley or Timberlake? I think they all start, and Dandridge doesn't.

Ideally, the Dandridge/Sam tandem and Williams get 30 minutes each. LQ, Nolley, Timberlake and Lomax have a base of 25 each, with whoever is playing best/is the best matchup splitting 10 more among them. 20 for Minott and the rest can split the other 10. If Camden is good, he gets 10 minutes and Minott gets 15.

That sounds pretty close. But who starts? Doesn't matter to fans as much - but it certainly matters to players.

I don't know what was in Penny's head, but if I had to guess, he had Lomax coming off of the bench to gauge whether or not our opponents would be pressuring the ball, and if LQ, Boogie and Baugh could handle it. If our opponents played passive perimeter defense, those 3 could get the job done. If they pressured the ball, Lomax had to play more.

I could see Penny also doing the same with Williams at center at the beginning of games; in which case he would run the offense with Lomax on the bench.
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(07-20-2021 10:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 08:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 08:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 06:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Ideally, Lomax runs the point with Williams at the 4 and Dandridge is healthy and makes a big leap this year. On every possession, you run the offense through both of them.

So who doesn't start? Quinones, Nolley or Timberlake? I think they all start, and Dandridge doesn't.

Ideally, the Dandridge/Sam tandem and Williams get 30 minutes each. LQ, Nolley, Timberlake and Lomax have a base of 25 each, with whoever is playing best/is the best matchup splitting 10 more among them. 20 for Minott and the rest can split the other 10. If Camden is good, he gets 10 minutes and Minott gets 15.

That sounds pretty close. But who starts? Doesn't matter to fans as much - but it certainly matters to players.

I don't know what was in Penny's head, but if I had to guess, he had Lomax coming off of the bench to gauge whether or not our opponents would be pressuring the ball, and if LQ, Boogie and Baugh could handle it. If our opponents played passive perimeter defense, those 3 could get the job done. If they pressured the ball, Lomax had to play more.

I could see Penny also doing the same with Williams at center at the beginning of games; in which case he would run the offense with Lomax on the bench.

And that's a valid point. Lomax only got 4 starts last year. That's fewer than Boogie & Jayden, and the same as Baugh. He could do the same this year with LQ starting at PG and then seeing how the other team reacts.


Probably will be matchup related, with Lomax and Dandridge/Lawson/Sam being the pivot pieces. I just don't think you'll see a starting lineup with Lomax AND Dandridge.
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(07-20-2021 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 08:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 08:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So who doesn't start? Quinones, Nolley or Timberlake? I think they all start, and Dandridge doesn't.

Ideally, the Dandridge/Sam tandem and Williams get 30 minutes each. LQ, Nolley, Timberlake and Lomax have a base of 25 each, with whoever is playing best/is the best matchup splitting 10 more among them. 20 for Minott and the rest can split the other 10. If Camden is good, he gets 10 minutes and Minott gets 15.

That sounds pretty close. But who starts? Doesn't matter to fans as much - but it certainly matters to players.

I don't know what was in Penny's head, but if I had to guess, he had Lomax coming off of the bench to gauge whether or not our opponents would be pressuring the ball, and if LQ, Boogie and Baugh could handle it. If our opponents played passive perimeter defense, those 3 could get the job done. If they pressured the ball, Lomax had to play more.

I could see Penny also doing the same with Williams at center at the beginning of games; in which case he would run the offense with Lomax on the bench.

And that's a valid point. Lomax only got 4 starts last year. That's fewer than Boogie & Jayden, and the same as Baugh. He could do the same this year with LQ starting at PG and then seeing how the other team reacts.


Probably will be matchup related, with Lomax and Dandridge/Lawson/Sam being the pivot pieces. I just don't think you'll see a starting lineup with Lomax AND Dandridge.

It's all on Dandridge. If he is healthy, he should be able to play 25 minutes and average 8 and 6. Can he shoot 60% free throws? I hope so. If he can and we have Williams at the 4 we are a much better team. If not, we are small at the 4 and 5.
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Dandridge shot 36% FTs last season. Barely better than Cisse.
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(07-20-2021 08:56 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  It will be match up related, you face someone like that big dude (with WKY? last name started with a B) in the early tourny last year and you will have to have more Dandridge mins.

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(07-20-2021 09:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dandridge shot 36% FTs last season. Barely better than Cisse.

42% his freshman season. He has to get it up to 60%.
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(07-20-2021 09:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dandridge shot 36% FTs last season. Barely better than Cisse.

42% his freshman season. He has to get it up to 60%.

How does 42% his first year, 36% his second, translate to 60% his third year? Not logical.
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(07-20-2021 09:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dandridge shot 36% FTs last season. Barely better than Cisse.

42% his freshman season. He has to get it up to 60%.

How does 42% his first year, 36% his second, translate to 60% his third year? Not logical.

He didn't say he WOULD get it up to 60%, he said he "has to" (i.e. needs to) get it up to 60%.
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