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(07-20-2021 08:23 PM)scorpius Wrote:  All it does is bring to light what goes on in society so we can better deal with the problem going forward. We can't very well apply it to blacks or whatever race when needed if we don't understand the problem in the first place.

You're effectively trying to use the same flawed logic as someone who thinks "Black Lives Matter" means that white lives do not matter. You're twisting it to try to discount the original purpose and intent.


The only ones attacking white people like you describe are the ones using the childish dog whistle of "woke" to insult and discredit those trying to solve this very real structural racism problem.

I always knew it was a problem. I didn't need CRT to tell me what I already knew was going on. Like I said earlier, I saw it first hand while growing up and still see it today among the Trump-types in private. Trying to deny it and create stupid dog whistles against it isn't going to make the problem go away. Society as a whole has had enough of it and will solve it one way or another, just like what's happening with the LGBTQ community and other historically oppressed groups. So what's the point in trying to fight it, other than to stand proud on the wrong side of history?


You do realize I've been to all 50 states, close to 40 different countries and 5 continents? (6 if you count Canary Islands as part of Africa)


Okay, so I was right! In schools in the south, they do try to hide the importance of slavery as the cause of the Civil War in order to try to make slavery sound less bad and to feel better about their history. Fact of the matter is, without slavery, there is no Civil War. No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig, it's not going to change that fact. So what is the motivation to hide it? THAT is what CRT addresses.


Why don’t you do us all a favor and learn as much about CRT as you can and then report back to us on your findings.

As far as the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY whatever clown came up with this term obviously is NOT a person understands history. Everything you and your Regressive clods are doing has one goal in mind. Tear down the family unit. Those who keep the family unit together will be here tomorrow to discuss history and they will be on the right side of history.

Ancient Rome gives us this example. What did they find in the bath houses at Pompeii? Surely if you are world traveler you see what decadent folks do to society.

The war was like every other war fought over money. I know you are self righteous and laden with guilt but these are facts. Did slavery and states rights play a large part? Yes. But, I promise you no one would send their son anywhere in battle to end slavery knowing he may not come home. You are idiot to believe otherwise. It’s a nice thought but mankind is not wired that way. China presently uses slave labor. Where is the US soldiers to go end it? Slaves? Yes too many sources to refute it.

Finally, only a very small percentage of people in South owned slaves. So why would they fight so hard to keep an institution that was no benefit to them? The people in my family that fought for the Confederacy were share croppers and owned land. They fought for their possessions they worked their whole life for fearing it would be taken away. Real life not your fantasy land.

To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.


Your numbers don’t reflect what the 1860 Census reported. Way too high.

Where did you get your numbers?

The 1860 census.

My bad. Your numbers are percentages of slaves per state NOT percentage of whites who owned slaves.

To your point, wars are all fought over money everything else is secondary. Trying to assume that the Union was some moral savior is also false. Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union at all costs. That was his mission.

I personally am glad the South lost to end slavery. Two major things happened almost simultaneously to end the South. 1 Stonewall Jackson was shot by friendly fire and died from Pneumonia. 2 Gettysburg defeat

Had Jackson been healthy Gettysburg would have never happened because Stonewall would’ve taken the high ground that his replacement failed to take because he was too tired. This would have led to an election defeat of Lincoln and an end to the war. People were tired of the carnage.

It also didn’t hurt that the North was in the beginning Industrial Age making great strides in weaponry.
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(07-20-2021 09:31 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Spokecrius being a world traveler and seeing so many places just qualified him as a "genuine White Supremacist". Only someone with a lot of dough...or his parents dough could have managed that. He is so Supremacist that the Supremes are jealous of him. How's it feel to be so guilty? Just don't suicide yourself from the guilt, okay?

He is an unrepentant simpleton that characterizes whole regions and groups of people based on a preconceived biases. The irony is that he is what he professes to dislike but lacks the self awareness to recognize that very trait. Threads like this go round and round in progression devolving into the obscure and introducing false premises as fact at every turn. There is no progression of reason or logic. Debate is waste of energy.

I will continue to monitor this journey into the absurd with morbid curiosity.
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(07-20-2021 10:29 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
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(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.



Its always a far more complicated issue than people portray it as in politics.

Ironically the south was a slave to slavery in a sense. They had no economy without it, which was a failure of local governments and the federal government. And so many people of all colors paid for that with their lives and massive human suffering. Generations of black children continued to pay the price.

The horrors of the civil war and slavery might have been averted much earlier if they could have changed the dependence on slavery and sharecropping to a more industrial economy. I don't know that it would have brought about civil rights for African Americans any faster, but perhaps slavery could have been stomped out faster.

I think a lot of people don't realize how much slavery still exists today in some regions of the world. We have eliminated it in our culture and much of Europe, but its still a massive issue in other parts of the world.

The left obsesses over the mistakes of America but the reality is America today is the most diverse nation of all time, and grants more liberty, freedom, oppertunity and equality that any major nation in human history. For some reason the left is incapable of celebrating our amazing accomplishments as we continue to grow and improve. Instead of seeing something worth cherishing and celebrating, they can only see something they need to tear down.

It’s two sided, I agree that the left finds it real hard to celebrate the improvements, but I also think the right finds it hard to recognize any criticisms as potentially valid. I recognize it as people being people (set in the ways and tribal).



The problem is the criticisms from the left in recent years have become unspecific and just generalizations designed to foment hatred and division as opposed to actually problem solving.

The entire ideology of the left is to divide people into little groups and engage in tribalism. They want everyone to fit into one of their boxes, be it a gay, a black, a woman, a trans, ect.

The right generally opposes that type of division and instead seeks to label people as Americans first and try to get past those smaller divisions and tribes.

Lets just be bunt about it, Marxism has taken hold of the left. That that is bad new for all Americans.
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(07-20-2021 10:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.



Quoting raw numbers on an issue like this is very problematic. Not that you should not share them, you absolutely should, but to just quote numbers and then (as most people do) label slave owners in that society as evil and all the connotations that come along with that is troublesome.

Any time we apply our modern values and judgments to a different society in history we are being unfair to them on several levels. People are a product of the time and culture they came from, and their values are a direct product of their time and their culture. And even free people are in a sense a slave to the world and time they live in.

We can certainly judge that slavery and discrimination is wrong and have no tolerance for it in our time and society, but judging others who grew up and lived in the 1800's is not really fair to those people because they are trapped in a completely different world and time than we are. Those people are a product of their period, their values and the limitations of their world and society. Did all those people really have options to not own slaves and still be able to run their businesses and survive in that economy and world? Did they have actual realistic alternatives? In most cases they did not. Not only were no different economic alternatives available, there was no safety net as their is in modern times.

That does not make slavery any less wrong or disgusting, but as already stated its a very complicated issue, far more than most admit or think about today. Today everyone just wants to think themselves virtuous and superior and find ways to judge others.

I had to post numbers to illustrate how ubiquitous slavery was in order to oppose the notion that just because not everyone owned slaves it doesn’t mean that they didn’t have a reason to have slavery on the mind.
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(07-20-2021 10:44 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  My bad. Your numbers are percentages of slaves per state NOT percentage of whites who owned slaves.

To your point, wars are all fought over money everything else is secondary. Trying to assume that the Union was some moral savior is also false. Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union at all costs. That was his mission.

I personally am glad the South lost to end slavery. Two major things happened almost simultaneously to end the South. 1 Stonewall Jackson was shot by friendly fire and died from Pneumonia. 2 Gettysburg defeat

Had Jackson been healthy Gettysburg would have never happened because Stonewall would’ve taken the high ground that his replacement failed to take because he was too tired. This would have led to an election defeat of Lincoln and an end to the war. People were tired of the carnage.

It also didn’t hurt that the North was in the beginning Industrial Age making great strides in weaponry.



Following the civil war, the north continued to treat blacks as 2/3rd human for the next 100 years. So the idea that they have the moral high ground on race is absurd.

If the northern economy had been based on sharecropping and farming and the south on industry the roles would have been reversed.
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(07-20-2021 10:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.



Quoting raw numbers on an issue like this is very problematic. Not that you should not share them, you absolutely should, but to just quote numbers and then (as most people do) label slave owners in that society as evil and all the connotations that come along with that is troublesome.

Any time we apply our modern values and judgments to a different society in history we are being unfair to them on several levels. People are a product of the time and culture they came from, and their values are a direct product of their time and their culture. And even free people are in a sense a slave to the world and time they live in.

We can certainly judge that slavery and discrimination is wrong and have no tolerance for it in our time and society, but judging others who grew up and lived in the 1800's is not really fair to those people because they are trapped in a completely different world and time than we are. Those people are a product of their period, their values and the limitations of their world and society. Did all those people really have options to not own slaves and still be able to run their businesses and survive in that economy and world? Did they have actual realistic alternatives? In most cases they did not. Not only were no different economic alternatives available, there was no safety net as their is in modern times.

That does not make slavery any less wrong or disgusting, but as already stated its a very complicated issue, far more than most admit or think about today. Today everyone just wants to think themselves virtuous and superior and find ways to judge others.

I had to post numbers to illustrate how ubiquitous slavery was in order to oppose the notion that just because not everyone owned slaves it doesn’t mean that they didn’t have a reason to have slavery on the mind.



I realize that, I was just making a general statement about the issue. 04-cheers

Its just way more complicated than people want to admit. Most people would rather use the issue to virtue signal and attack those they disagree with.
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(07-20-2021 10:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:29 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.



Its always a far more complicated issue than people portray it as in politics.

Ironically the south was a slave to slavery in a sense. They had no economy without it, which was a failure of local governments and the federal government. And so many people of all colors paid for that with their lives and massive human suffering. Generations of black children continued to pay the price.

The horrors of the civil war and slavery might have been averted much earlier if they could have changed the dependence on slavery and sharecropping to a more industrial economy. I don't know that it would have brought about civil rights for African Americans any faster, but perhaps slavery could have been stomped out faster.

I think a lot of people don't realize how much slavery still exists today in some regions of the world. We have eliminated it in our culture and much of Europe, but its still a massive issue in other parts of the world.

The left obsesses over the mistakes of America but the reality is America today is the most diverse nation of all time, and grants more liberty, freedom, oppertunity and equality that any major nation in human history. For some reason the left is incapable of celebrating our amazing accomplishments as we continue to grow and improve. Instead of seeing something worth cherishing and celebrating, they can only see something they need to tear down.

It’s two sided, I agree that the left finds it real hard to celebrate the improvements, but I also think the right finds it hard to recognize any criticisms as potentially valid. I recognize it as people being people (set in the ways and tribal).



The problem is the criticisms from the left in recent years have become unspecific and just generalizations designed to foment hatred and division as opposed to actually problem solving.

The entire ideology of the left is to divide people into little groups and engage in tribalism. They want everyone to fit into one of their boxes, be it a gay, a black, a woman, a trans, ect.

The right generally opposes that type of division and instead seeks to label people as Americans first and try to get past those smaller divisions and tribes.

I of course disagree with all of this, especially the notion that the right is just seeking to ultimately hug it out. I just don’t see the right being so angelic. I’ve been a member of this board a long time now and I can’t recall many times when the right leaning members have sought to call anyone with an opposing opinion an American first. Maybe that title comes after all the more creative names. Or are you guys not “the right”?

The reality is that the right is just as interested in tribalism as the rest of humanity. It’s what people tend to do unfortunately.
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(07-20-2021 10:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:44 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  My bad. Your numbers are percentages of slaves per state NOT percentage of whites who owned slaves.

To your point, wars are all fought over money everything else is secondary. Trying to assume that the Union was some moral savior is also false. Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union at all costs. That was his mission.

I personally am glad the South lost to end slavery. Two major things happened almost simultaneously to end the South. 1 Stonewall Jackson was shot by friendly fire and died from Pneumonia. 2 Gettysburg defeat

Had Jackson been healthy Gettysburg would have never happened because Stonewall would’ve taken the high ground that his replacement failed to take because he was too tired. This would have led to an election defeat of Lincoln and an end to the war. People were tired of the carnage.

It also didn’t hurt that the North was in the beginning Industrial Age making great strides in weaponry.



Following the civil war, the north continued to treat blacks as 2/3rd human for the next 100 years. So the idea that they have the moral high ground on race is absurd.

If the northern economy had been based on sharecropping and farming and the south on industry the roles would have been reversed.


The North and Federal Government also didn’t like the fact the South was buying French and British goods without paying tariffs. Allowing those ships to unload in Southern ports to avoid taxation.

Therefore not buying tools from the North but buying cheaper foreign tools. Sound familiar
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(07-20-2021 10:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.



Quoting raw numbers on an issue like this is very problematic. Not that you should not share them, you absolutely should, but to just quote numbers and then (as most people do) label slave owners in that society as evil and all the connotations that come along with that is troublesome.

Any time we apply our modern values and judgments to a different society in history we are being unfair to them on several levels. People are a product of the time and culture they came from, and their values are a direct product of their time and their culture. And even free people are in a sense a slave to the world and time they live in.

We can certainly judge that slavery and discrimination is wrong and have no tolerance for it in our time and society, but judging others who grew up and lived in the 1800's is not really fair to those people because they are trapped in a completely different world and time than we are. Those people are a product of their period, their values and the limitations of their world and society. Did all those people really have options to not own slaves and still be able to run their businesses and survive in that economy and world? Did they have actual realistic alternatives? In most cases they did not. Not only were no different economic alternatives available, there was no safety net as their is in modern times.

That does not make slavery any less wrong or disgusting, but as already stated its a very complicated issue, far more than most admit or think about today. Today everyone just wants to think themselves virtuous and superior and find ways to judge others.

I had to post numbers to illustrate how ubiquitous slavery was in order to oppose the notion that just because not everyone owned slaves it doesn’t mean that they didn’t have a reason to have slavery on the mind.



I realize that, I was just making a general statement about the issue. 04-cheers

Its just way more complicated than people want to admit. Most people would rather use the issue to virtue signal and attack those they disagree with.

It’s very complicated and I’m glad we’re kinda hitting an accord here.
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(07-20-2021 10:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The problem is the criticisms from the left in recent years have become unspecific and just generalizations designed to foment hatred and division as opposed to actually problem solving.

The entire ideology of the left is to divide people into little groups and engage in tribalism. They want everyone to fit into one of their boxes, be it a gay, a black, a woman, a trans, ect.

The right generally opposes that type of division and instead seeks to label people as Americans first and try to get past those smaller divisions and tribes.

I of course disagree with all of this, especially the notion that the right is just seeking to ultimately hug it out. I just don’t see the right being so angelic. I’ve been a member of this board a long time now and I can’t recall many times when the right leaning members have sought to call anyone with an opposing opinion an American first. Maybe that title comes after all the more creative names. Or are you guys not “the right”?

The reality is that the right is just as interested in tribalism as the rest of humanity.



Well I did not remotely suggest the right was just seeking to hug it our or was "angelic". No did I suggest the right was righteous in all things. I did not say any of those things, you are reading those assumptions into my words.

You cannot honestly deny that its the entire premise of the left to dive people into little groups and portray those little groups as victims of the right.

You also cannot honestly pretend the right seeks to divide everyone up into little groups to label them as oppressed victims.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Marxism has taken over the left in recent years. The entire political ideology and argument of the left is that the right are nothing but racist white supremacists who hate minorities, women, gay and all the little groups of victims the left has divided people into and want to strip them of their rights and humanity.

I know you are an intelligent person and you see this happening. It does not mean you like or support or think the right righteous in any way. But Marxism has taken hold of the left.
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(07-20-2021 11:10 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.



Quoting raw numbers on an issue like this is very problematic. Not that you should not share them, you absolutely should, but to just quote numbers and then (as most people do) label slave owners in that society as evil and all the connotations that come along with that is troublesome.

Any time we apply our modern values and judgments to a different society in history we are being unfair to them on several levels. People are a product of the time and culture they came from, and their values are a direct product of their time and their culture. And even free people are in a sense a slave to the world and time they live in.

We can certainly judge that slavery and discrimination is wrong and have no tolerance for it in our time and society, but judging others who grew up and lived in the 1800's is not really fair to those people because they are trapped in a completely different world and time than we are. Those people are a product of their period, their values and the limitations of their world and society. Did all those people really have options to not own slaves and still be able to run their businesses and survive in that economy and world? Did they have actual realistic alternatives? In most cases they did not. Not only were no different economic alternatives available, there was no safety net as their is in modern times.

That does not make slavery any less wrong or disgusting, but as already stated its a very complicated issue, far more than most admit or think about today. Today everyone just wants to think themselves virtuous and superior and find ways to judge others.

I had to post numbers to illustrate how ubiquitous slavery was in order to oppose the notion that just because not everyone owned slaves it doesn’t mean that they didn’t have a reason to have slavery on the mind.



I realize that, I was just making a general statement about the issue. 04-cheers

Its just way more complicated than people want to admit. Most people would rather use the issue to virtue signal and attack those they disagree with.

It’s very complicated and I’m glad we’re kinda hitting an accord here.



AMEN 04-cheers
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(07-20-2021 10:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its always a far more complicated issue than people portray it as in politics.

Ironically the south was a slave to slavery in a sense. They had no economy without it, which was a failure of local governments and the federal government. And so many people of all colors paid for that with their lives and massive human suffering. Generations of black children continued to pay the price.

The horrors of the civil war and slavery might have been averted much earlier if they could have changed the dependence on slavery and sharecropping to a more industrial economy. I don't know that it would have brought about civil rights for African Americans any faster, but perhaps slavery could have been stomped out faster.

I think a lot of people don't realize how much slavery still exists today in some regions of the world. We have eliminated it in our culture and much of Europe, but its still a massive issue in other parts of the world.

The left obsesses over the mistakes of America but the reality is America today is the most diverse nation of all time, and grants more liberty, freedom, oppertunity and equality that any major nation in human history. For some reason the left is incapable of celebrating our amazing accomplishments as we continue to grow and improve. Instead of seeing something worth cherishing and celebrating, they can only see something they need to tear down.

It’s two sided, I agree that the left finds it real hard to celebrate the improvements, but I also think the right finds it hard to recognize any criticisms as potentially valid. I recognize it as people being people (set in the ways and tribal).



The problem is the criticisms from the left in recent years have become unspecific and just generalizations designed to foment hatred and division as opposed to actually problem solving.

The entire ideology of the left is to divide people into little groups and engage in tribalism. They want everyone to fit into one of their boxes, be it a gay, a black, a woman, a trans, ect.

The right generally opposes that type of division and instead seeks to label people as Americans first and try to get past those smaller divisions and tribes.

I of course disagree with all of this, especially the notion that the right is just seeking to ultimately hug it out. I just don’t see the right being so angelic. I’ve been a member of this board a long time now and I can’t recall many times when the right leaning members have sought to call anyone with an opposing opinion an American first. Maybe that title comes after all the more creative names. Or are you guys not “the right”?

The reality is that the right is just as interested in tribalism as the rest of humanity.



Well I did not remotely suggest the right was just seeking to hug it our or was "angelic". No did I suggest the right was righteous in all things. I did not say any of those things, you are reading those assumptions into my words.

You cannot honestly deny that its the entire premise of the left to dive people into little groups and portray those little groups as victims of the right.

You also cannot honestly pretend the right seeks to divide everyone up into little groups to label them as oppressed victims.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Marxism has taken over the left in recent years.

I was being a little hyperbolic with the angelic comment. But the left and the right do the same things in different ways and to different audiences. They both have the same goal and that is to win the next election.

The right doesn’t divide people into little groups because they don’t really have different groups of people to divide. The demographics are different. You got a bunch of the same dude.

Where they do play the tribalism game is by spreading fear over how the other side is going to make them a victim. We got a comment in another thread here saying that the left wants a federal police force. Based on nothing. That’s the kinda stuff I’m talking about and it’s just one example. That’s why I’ve kinda left this board after a long time of posting. It’s right wing fear mongering and the good conversations are HARD to find.
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(07-20-2021 11:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was being a little hyperbolic with the angelic comment. But the left and the right do the same things in different ways and to different audiences. They both have the same goal and that is to win the next election.

The right doesn’t divide people into little groups because they don’t really have different groups of people to divide. The demographics are different. You got a bunch of the same dude.

Where they do play the tribalism game is by spreading fear over how the other side is going to make them a victim. We got a comment in another thread here saying that the left wants a federal police force. Based on nothing. That’s the kinda stuff I’m talking about and it’s just one example. That’s why I’ve kinda left this board after a long time of posting. It’s right wing fear mongering and the good conversations are HARD to find.



That is flat out NOT TRUE and you know it.

The right has white, black, Hispanic, Latino, Asian, female, gay, trans, all types from across the entire American spectrum.

The right does not divide itself up into those groups because people on the right of all races, creeds, genders and every other type prefer to see themselves as AMERICANS first, as opposed to their little tribe first.

Don't lie to yourself about this point. What you said is NOT TRUE. Its a left wing talking point a the very core of left wing ideology.
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(07-20-2021 11:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:29 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It’s two sided, I agree that the left finds it real hard to celebrate the improvements, but I also think the right finds it hard to recognize any criticisms as potentially valid. I recognize it as people being people (set in the ways and tribal).



The problem is the criticisms from the left in recent years have become unspecific and just generalizations designed to foment hatred and division as opposed to actually problem solving.

The entire ideology of the left is to divide people into little groups and engage in tribalism. They want everyone to fit into one of their boxes, be it a gay, a black, a woman, a trans, ect.

The right generally opposes that type of division and instead seeks to label people as Americans first and try to get past those smaller divisions and tribes.

I of course disagree with all of this, especially the notion that the right is just seeking to ultimately hug it out. I just don’t see the right being so angelic. I’ve been a member of this board a long time now and I can’t recall many times when the right leaning members have sought to call anyone with an opposing opinion an American first. Maybe that title comes after all the more creative names. Or are you guys not “the right”?

The reality is that the right is just as interested in tribalism as the rest of humanity.



Well I did not remotely suggest the right was just seeking to hug it our or was "angelic". No did I suggest the right was righteous in all things. I did not say any of those things, you are reading those assumptions into my words.

You cannot honestly deny that its the entire premise of the left to dive people into little groups and portray those little groups as victims of the right.

You also cannot honestly pretend the right seeks to divide everyone up into little groups to label them as oppressed victims.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Marxism has taken over the left in recent years.

I was being a little hyperbolic with the angelic comment. But the left and the right do the same things in different ways and to different audiences. They both have the same goal and that is to win the next election.

The right doesn’t divide people into little groups because they don’t really have different groups of people to divide. The demographics are different. You got a bunch of the same dude.

Where they do play the tribalism game is by spreading fear over how the other side is going to make them a victim. We got a comment in another thread here saying that the left wants a federal police force. Based on nothing. That’s the kinda stuff I’m talking about and it’s just one example. That’s why I’ve kinda left this board after a long time of posting. It’s right wing fear mongering and the good conversations are HARD to find.

That is the exact thing Biden was discussing with the mayor of Chicago. Based on the high crime not only in Chicago but all large cities have seen a spike in violent crime. Portland is starting to look like a third world city and homelessness is becoming a real problem.
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(07-20-2021 11:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was being a little hyperbolic with the angelic comment. But the left and the right do the same things in different ways and to different audiences. They both have the same goal and that is to win the next election.

The right doesn’t divide people into little groups because they don’t really have different groups of people to divide. The demographics are different. You got a bunch of the same dude.

Where they do play the tribalism game is by spreading fear over how the other side is going to make them a victim. We got a comment in another thread here saying that the left wants a federal police force. Based on nothing. That’s the kinda stuff I’m talking about and it’s just one example. That’s why I’ve kinda left this board after a long time of posting. It’s right wing fear mongering and the good conversations are HARD to find.



That is flat out NOT TRUE and you know it.

The right has white, black, Hispanic, Latino, Asian, female, gay, trans, all types from across the entire American spectrum.

The right does not divide itself up into those groups because people on the right of all races, creeds, genders and every other type prefer to see themselves as AMERICANS first, as opposed to their little tribe first.

Don't lie to yourself about this point. What you said is NOT TRUE. Its a left wing talking point a the very core of left wing ideology.

The right technically does have those people, but they are pretty dang small (but growing) in number. It’s not exactly a rainbow. It’s getting better because back in 96 the Republicans/GOP Leaners were 96% white, you’ve made it to 81%.

As a side note, it’s amazing that minority votes were a very small number even back in the 90s.
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(07-19-2021 06:51 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  CRT isn't telling blacks that they are evil and the oppressors is it?

All it does is bring to light what goes on in society so we can better deal with the problem going forward. We can't very well apply it to blacks or whatever race when needed if we don't understand the problem in the first place.

You're effectively trying to use the same flawed logic as someone who thinks "Black Lives Matter" means that white lives do not matter. You're twisting it to try to discount the original purpose and intent.

(07-19-2021 09:10 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Ding ding ding winner winner Chicken Dinner. Every white person in the US will be attacked because of this grossly ignorant racist dogma. Its pathetic and shameful and just breeds more hate and dissension. It does absolutely nothing to bring folks together. Just the opposite.

The only ones attacking white people like you describe are the ones using the childish dog whistle of "woke" to insult and discredit those trying to solve this very real structural racism problem.

I always knew it was a problem. I didn't need CRT to tell me what I already knew was going on. Like I said earlier, I saw it first hand while growing up and still see it today among the Trump-types in private. Trying to deny it and create stupid dog whistles against it isn't going to make the problem go away. Society as a whole has had enough of it and will solve it one way or another, just like what's happening with the LGBTQ community and other historically oppressed groups. So what's the point in trying to fight it, other than to stand proud on the wrong side of history?

Quote:Do yourself a favor and get out more and meet people of all backgrounds and God's sake turn off CNN and other media outlets. Its turning your brain to mush.

You do realize I've been to all 50 states, close to 40 different countries and 5 continents? (6 if you count Canary Islands as part of Africa)

Quote:I'll bet you believe the every person in the South owned slaves as well. I also bet you believe the war was fought over slavery as the primary reason even though the first mention of slavery was over a year after the war begin. Did you have any idea that Abraham Lincoln wanted to send every black person in America to Africa, South America and the Caribbean for a new start? These are things the media is never forth right about.

Okay, so I was right! In schools in the south, they do try to hide the importance of slavery as the cause of the Civil War in order to try to make slavery sound less bad and to feel better about their history. Fact of the matter is, without slavery, there is no Civil War. No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig, it's not going to change that fact. So what is the motivation to hide it? THAT is what CRT addresses.


Why don’t you do us all a favor and learn as much about CRT as you can and then report back to us on your findings.

As far as the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY whatever clown came up with this term obviously is NOT a person understands history. Everything you and your Regressive clods are doing has one goal in mind. Tear down the family unit. Those who keep the family unit together will be here tomorrow to discuss history and they will be on the right side of history.

Ancient Rome gives us this example. What did they find in the bath houses at Pompeii? Surely if you are world traveler you see what decadent folks do to society.

The war was like every other war fought over money. I know you are self righteous and laden with guilt but these are facts. Did slavery and states rights play a large part? Yes. But, I promise you no one would send their son anywhere in battle to end slavery knowing he may not come home. You are idiot to believe otherwise. It’s a nice thought but mankind is not wired that way. China presently uses slave labor. Where is the US soldiers to go end it? Slaves? Yes too many sources to refute it.

Finally, only a very small percentage of people in South owned slaves. So why would they fight so hard to keep an institution that was no benefit to them? The people in my family that fought for the Confederacy were share croppers and owned land. They fought for their possessions they worked their whole life for fearing it would be taken away. Real life not your fantasy land.

To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.

Slavery was not the driver for the majority of soldiers fighting for the South. Case in point, do you have any idea how many Confederates refused to go Pennsylvania? The common soldier was fighting for his farm really not much else.

Slavery was part of the equation but was not the whole sum as you and others want to pretend as some righteous moral high ground.
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(07-21-2021 12:00 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 11:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 11:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 11:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 10:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The problem is the criticisms from the left in recent years have become unspecific and just generalizations designed to foment hatred and division as opposed to actually problem solving.

The entire ideology of the left is to divide people into little groups and engage in tribalism. They want everyone to fit into one of their boxes, be it a gay, a black, a woman, a trans, ect.

The right generally opposes that type of division and instead seeks to label people as Americans first and try to get past those smaller divisions and tribes.

I of course disagree with all of this, especially the notion that the right is just seeking to ultimately hug it out. I just don’t see the right being so angelic. I’ve been a member of this board a long time now and I can’t recall many times when the right leaning members have sought to call anyone with an opposing opinion an American first. Maybe that title comes after all the more creative names. Or are you guys not “the right”?

The reality is that the right is just as interested in tribalism as the rest of humanity.



Well I did not remotely suggest the right was just seeking to hug it our or was "angelic". No did I suggest the right was righteous in all things. I did not say any of those things, you are reading those assumptions into my words.

You cannot honestly deny that its the entire premise of the left to dive people into little groups and portray those little groups as victims of the right.

You also cannot honestly pretend the right seeks to divide everyone up into little groups to label them as oppressed victims.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Marxism has taken over the left in recent years.

I was being a little hyperbolic with the angelic comment. But the left and the right do the same things in different ways and to different audiences. They both have the same goal and that is to win the next election.

The right doesn’t divide people into little groups because they don’t really have different groups of people to divide. The demographics are different. You got a bunch of the same dude.

Where they do play the tribalism game is by spreading fear over how the other side is going to make them a victim. We got a comment in another thread here saying that the left wants a federal police force. Based on nothing. That’s the kinda stuff I’m talking about and it’s just one example. That’s why I’ve kinda left this board after a long time of posting. It’s right wing fear mongering and the good conversations are HARD to find.

That is the exact thing Biden was discussing with the mayor of Chicago. Based on the high crime not only in Chicago but all large cities have seen a spike in violent crime. Portland is starting to look like a third world city and homelessness is becoming a real problem.

That is not what Biden discussed. It was federal support from ATF to help with trafficking. There have been strike forces all over the country from federal orgs for decades. I work with a particular one occasionally when they need to use county facilities. They only charge for federal crimes (trafficking mainly) and turn the state crimes over to the locals.
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(07-21-2021 12:04 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:22 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 08:23 PM)scorpius Wrote:  
(07-19-2021 06:51 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  CRT isn't telling blacks that they are evil and the oppressors is it?

All it does is bring to light what goes on in society so we can better deal with the problem going forward. We can't very well apply it to blacks or whatever race when needed if we don't understand the problem in the first place.

You're effectively trying to use the same flawed logic as someone who thinks "Black Lives Matter" means that white lives do not matter. You're twisting it to try to discount the original purpose and intent.

(07-19-2021 09:10 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Ding ding ding winner winner Chicken Dinner. Every white person in the US will be attacked because of this grossly ignorant racist dogma. Its pathetic and shameful and just breeds more hate and dissension. It does absolutely nothing to bring folks together. Just the opposite.

The only ones attacking white people like you describe are the ones using the childish dog whistle of "woke" to insult and discredit those trying to solve this very real structural racism problem.

I always knew it was a problem. I didn't need CRT to tell me what I already knew was going on. Like I said earlier, I saw it first hand while growing up and still see it today among the Trump-types in private. Trying to deny it and create stupid dog whistles against it isn't going to make the problem go away. Society as a whole has had enough of it and will solve it one way or another, just like what's happening with the LGBTQ community and other historically oppressed groups. So what's the point in trying to fight it, other than to stand proud on the wrong side of history?

Quote:Do yourself a favor and get out more and meet people of all backgrounds and God's sake turn off CNN and other media outlets. Its turning your brain to mush.

You do realize I've been to all 50 states, close to 40 different countries and 5 continents? (6 if you count Canary Islands as part of Africa)

Quote:I'll bet you believe the every person in the South owned slaves as well. I also bet you believe the war was fought over slavery as the primary reason even though the first mention of slavery was over a year after the war begin. Did you have any idea that Abraham Lincoln wanted to send every black person in America to Africa, South America and the Caribbean for a new start? These are things the media is never forth right about.

Okay, so I was right! In schools in the south, they do try to hide the importance of slavery as the cause of the Civil War in order to try to make slavery sound less bad and to feel better about their history. Fact of the matter is, without slavery, there is no Civil War. No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig, it's not going to change that fact. So what is the motivation to hide it? THAT is what CRT addresses.


Why don’t you do us all a favor and learn as much about CRT as you can and then report back to us on your findings.

As far as the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY whatever clown came up with this term obviously is NOT a person understands history. Everything you and your Regressive clods are doing has one goal in mind. Tear down the family unit. Those who keep the family unit together will be here tomorrow to discuss history and they will be on the right side of history.

Ancient Rome gives us this example. What did they find in the bath houses at Pompeii? Surely if you are world traveler you see what decadent folks do to society.

The war was like every other war fought over money. I know you are self righteous and laden with guilt but these are facts. Did slavery and states rights play a large part? Yes. But, I promise you no one would send their son anywhere in battle to end slavery knowing he may not come home. You are idiot to believe otherwise. It’s a nice thought but mankind is not wired that way. China presently uses slave labor. Where is the US soldiers to go end it? Slaves? Yes too many sources to refute it.

Finally, only a very small percentage of people in South owned slaves. So why would they fight so hard to keep an institution that was no benefit to them? The people in my family that fought for the Confederacy were share croppers and owned land. They fought for their possessions they worked their whole life for fearing it would be taken away. Real life not your fantasy land.

To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.

Slavery was not the driver for the majority of soldiers fighting for the South. Case in point, do you have any idea how many Confederates refused to go Pennsylvania? The common soldier was fighting for his farm really not much else.

Slavery was part of the equation but was not the whole sum as you and others want to pretend as some righteous moral high ground.

Where did I claim a moral high ground and where did I say it was the whole sum?

Did you miss the whole conversation eric and I were having about how complicated it was?
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(07-21-2021 12:14 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 12:04 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 09:22 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 08:23 PM)scorpius Wrote:  All it does is bring to light what goes on in society so we can better deal with the problem going forward. We can't very well apply it to blacks or whatever race when needed if we don't understand the problem in the first place.

You're effectively trying to use the same flawed logic as someone who thinks "Black Lives Matter" means that white lives do not matter. You're twisting it to try to discount the original purpose and intent.


The only ones attacking white people like you describe are the ones using the childish dog whistle of "woke" to insult and discredit those trying to solve this very real structural racism problem.

I always knew it was a problem. I didn't need CRT to tell me what I already knew was going on. Like I said earlier, I saw it first hand while growing up and still see it today among the Trump-types in private. Trying to deny it and create stupid dog whistles against it isn't going to make the problem go away. Society as a whole has had enough of it and will solve it one way or another, just like what's happening with the LGBTQ community and other historically oppressed groups. So what's the point in trying to fight it, other than to stand proud on the wrong side of history?


You do realize I've been to all 50 states, close to 40 different countries and 5 continents? (6 if you count Canary Islands as part of Africa)


Okay, so I was right! In schools in the south, they do try to hide the importance of slavery as the cause of the Civil War in order to try to make slavery sound less bad and to feel better about their history. Fact of the matter is, without slavery, there is no Civil War. No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig, it's not going to change that fact. So what is the motivation to hide it? THAT is what CRT addresses.


Why don’t you do us all a favor and learn as much about CRT as you can and then report back to us on your findings.

As far as the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY whatever clown came up with this term obviously is NOT a person understands history. Everything you and your Regressive clods are doing has one goal in mind. Tear down the family unit. Those who keep the family unit together will be here tomorrow to discuss history and they will be on the right side of history.

Ancient Rome gives us this example. What did they find in the bath houses at Pompeii? Surely if you are world traveler you see what decadent folks do to society.

The war was like every other war fought over money. I know you are self righteous and laden with guilt but these are facts. Did slavery and states rights play a large part? Yes. But, I promise you no one would send their son anywhere in battle to end slavery knowing he may not come home. You are idiot to believe otherwise. It’s a nice thought but mankind is not wired that way. China presently uses slave labor. Where is the US soldiers to go end it? Slaves? Yes too many sources to refute it.

Finally, only a very small percentage of people in South owned slaves. So why would they fight so hard to keep an institution that was no benefit to them? The people in my family that fought for the Confederacy were share croppers and owned land. They fought for their possessions they worked their whole life for fearing it would be taken away. Real life not your fantasy land.

To your last question: You don’t have to be in direct ownership of something to end up fighting for it. In fact, the people who have to do the hardest fighting in any war almost never have skin in the game.

Also, it is true that a relatively small amount of people owned slaves, but it is also true that 30% of Virginia, 20% of Kentucky, 25% of Tennessee, 45% of Georgia, 33% of NC, 45% of Alabama, 55% of Mississippi, 47% of Louisiana, 57% of SC, 30% of Texas, and almost 26% of Arkansas were enslaved. That means that even if your immediate family didn’t own a slave, the practice was so ubiquitous that they knew that the fall of the institution would probably leave them and everyone like them in ruin.

Slavery was not the driver for the majority of soldiers fighting for the South. Case in point, do you have any idea how many Confederates refused to go Pennsylvania? The common soldier was fighting for his farm really not much else.

Slavery was part of the equation but was not the whole sum as you and others want to pretend as some righteous moral high ground.

Where did I claim a moral high ground and where did I say it was the whole sum?

Did you miss the whole conversation eric and I were having about how complicated it was?


You didn't, but your statement was definitely leading to that conclusion by stating soldiers with no skin in the game fight the hardest.
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(07-21-2021 12:04 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 11:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-20-2021 11:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was being a little hyperbolic with the angelic comment. But the left and the right do the same things in different ways and to different audiences. They both have the same goal and that is to win the next election.

The right doesn’t divide people into little groups because they don’t really have different groups of people to divide. The demographics are different. You got a bunch of the same dude.

Where they do play the tribalism game is by spreading fear over how the other side is going to make them a victim. We got a comment in another thread here saying that the left wants a federal police force. Based on nothing. That’s the kinda stuff I’m talking about and it’s just one example. That’s why I’ve kinda left this board after a long time of posting. It’s right wing fear mongering and the good conversations are HARD to find.



That is flat out NOT TRUE and you know it.

The right has white, black, Hispanic, Latino, Asian, female, gay, trans, all types from across the entire American spectrum.

The right does not divide itself up into those groups because people on the right of all races, creeds, genders and every other type prefer to see themselves as AMERICANS first, as opposed to their little tribe first.

Don't lie to yourself about this point. What you said is NOT TRUE. Its a left wing talking point a the very core of left wing ideology.

The right technically does have those people, but they are pretty dang small (but growing) in number. It’s not exactly a rainbow. It’s getting better because back in 96 the Republicans/GOP Leaners were 96% white, you’ve made it to 81%.

As a side note, it’s amazing that minority votes were a very small number even back in the 90s.




Again that is just flat out not true. All you are doing is repeating the most well known left wing talking point of all.

Nearly half of the Latino and Hispanic voters are right wing, and 45% of the female vote is. Actually it goes further than that, the majority of Hispanics and Latinos are conservative in most areas. They typically vote conservative in their local elections.

When you play this little game of pretending the right are nearly all white males you scream from the hilltops that you buy into the most divisive and dishonest of all far left talk points.

You are simply not going to think that unless your worldview comes from race based identity politics. Its a classic dog whistle and a DEAD GIVEAWAY.

You probably grew up surrounded by that political ideology.

And I have talked to you enough to know that you are a fair minded, moral and thoughtful man. And I think you also have Christ in or very near your heart, and I think you know full well where my values and world view comes from (HIM).
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