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Associated Press: NCAA’s Emmert: It is time to decentralize college sports
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NCAA President Mark Emmert said Thursday the time is right to consider a decentralized and deregulated version of college sports, shifting power to conferences and campuses and reconsidering how schools are aligned.

Emmert said the recent Supreme Court ruling against the NCAA along with the lifting of restrictions on athletes monetizing their fame should be a catalyst to “rethink” what college sports has been about.

In a 30-minute interview with a small group of reporters, Emmert stressed he was not putting forth a mandate or even a recommendation. But he laid out a vision for the future of college sports that puts fewer limitations on athletes and de-emphasizes the role of a national governing body like the NCAA, which was founded 115 years ago and oversees more than 450,000 athletes.

“When you have an environment like that it just forces us to think more about what constraints should be put in place ever on college athletes. And it should be the bare minimum,” Emmert said.

Emmert said the NCAA’s more than 1,100 member schools should consider a less homogenous approach to the way sports are governed and rethink the current three division structure, which includes 355 Division I colleges. The NCAA’s rules and regulations have long been criticized and court challenges have been mounting in recent years.


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IIRC some believe Congress will rescue the NCAA from the courts by amending the antitrust laws, giving it an exemption in exchange for regulation.

Imo this letter indicates the NCAA does not forsee that kind of rescue.
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Colleges and universities will want some type of association with rules and regulations - after all, that is how the NCAA started in the first place.

Whether it is a new entity, or a reformed/lesser NCAA something will exist.
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(07-15-2021 06:23 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Colleges and universities will want some type of association with rules and regulations - after all, that is how the NCAA started in the first place.

Whether it is a new entity, or a reformed/lesser NCAA something will exist.

Something will exist. And schools won't want to delete every NCAA rule/regulation and write an entirely new manual from scratch because that's a giant hassle.

There are many NCAA rules that could be attacked, and I doubt the NCAA or the schools want to throw them all out. As a practical matter, a lot of legally questionable rules will survive just because few people think it's worth the time or effort to test those rules in court.
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(07-15-2021 06:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-15-2021 06:23 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Colleges and universities will want some type of association with rules and regulations - after all, that is how the NCAA started in the first place.

Whether it is a new entity, or a reformed/lesser NCAA something will exist.

Something will exist. And schools won't want to delete every NCAA rule/regulation and write an entirely new manual from scratch because that's a giant hassle.

There are many NCAA rules that could be attacked, and I doubt the NCAA or the schools want to throw them all out. As a practical matter, a lot of legally questionable rules will survive just because few people think it's worth the time or effort to test those rules in court.

I don’t see division 3 changing much. It is the way it is partly because Dayton div 1 bb facilities were supporting div 3 football
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There is a need for the NCAA in certain areas. For example, running playoff tournaments and setting scholarship limits amongst the various divisions. I do believe that each conference should have their rules enforcement body instead of the NCAA. And D1-A football should establish their own rules regarding NIL. Now what I will believe will happen is there will be a Men’s basketball separation with about 20 conferences in the upper division which will be run by those conferences. The NCAA will be a shell of its former self.
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How do teams play on an even field if conferences have their own rules. This would basically mean anything goes. The top conferences will put even more distance between themselves and everyone else..this seems certain a split is unavoidable.
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(07-15-2021 06:23 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Colleges and universities will want some type of association with rules and regulations - after all, that is how the NCAA started in the first place.

Whether it is a new entity, or a reformed/lesser NCAA something will exist.

Of course they want regulation.

As the Supreme Court would say, all employers would want a regulatory body to help them keep wages down across the industry. But that doesn't mean it's legal.

Going forward, the main role of the NCAA should be to regulate non-scholarship sports where there is no employment relationship between the schools and the players.
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This could lead to a variety of conference affiliations. If conferences are making the decision on how many and which sports to sponsor, we might see Olympic sports in one very regional conference and revenue sports in another conference.
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(07-15-2021 06:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IIRC some believe Congress will rescue the NCAA from the courts by amending the antitrust laws, giving it an exemption in exchange for regulation.

Imo this letter indicates the NCAA does not forsee that kind of rescue.

I dont read it that way. I read it as they have no choice right now. They are literally simply following the ruling that was handed down that the NCAA cannot regulate compensation across multiple conferences. The conferences CAN do so per the ruling (though there is no real logic to that and I suspect that will also be challenged by the players and eventually overturned). Thus, anything having to do with compensation will HAVE to be done at the conference level or not at all. So--of course a change in governance must occur. But that will likely have substantial somewhat predictable fall out. That means there could easily be a complete reshuffle of D1 in terms of pay-for-play schools may no longer be in the same D1 division as "scholarship only" schools. It may mean that some schools are in a pay-for-play league for football and basketball----but are in a "scholarship only" leagues for their non-revenue sports. I think the structure of the NCAA may very well change radically from what it is today.
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(07-15-2021 06:23 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Colleges and universities will want some type of association with rules and regulations - after all, that is how the NCAA started in the first place.

Whether it is a new entity, or a reformed/lesser NCAA something will exist.

I think the NCAA is saying to conferences, go do it yourself. I think administratively the conferences will basically crap themselves.
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(07-16-2021 05:32 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  How do teams play on an even field if conferences have their own rules. This would basically mean anything goes. The top conferences will put even more distance between themselves and everyone else..this seems certain a split is unavoidable.

Absolutely, and this is what everyone here wanted. Goodbye to college sports. It's okay, my Saturdays will be free now.
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I’m determined not to overreact to this news but I am having a really difficult time imagining this working out well for most. I know there are many people out there who disagree with me on this issues, but I honestly don’t know why?

The impact on lower Division I schools like my alma mater, Ohio University, will be felt almost immediately. Then, the middle class programs like AAC and MEC will go. Then, the upper middle class programs will go — lower end G5 schools. I love you love you love what’s the NFL? I honestly don’t think so.[/align]
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(07-16-2021 12:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2021 06:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IIRC some believe Congress will rescue the NCAA from the courts by amending the antitrust laws, giving it an exemption in exchange for regulation.

Imo this letter indicates the NCAA does not forsee that kind of rescue.

I dont read it that way. I read it as they have no choice right now. They are literally simply following the ruling that was handed down that the NCAA cannot regulate compensation across multiple conferences. The conferences CAN do so per the ruling (though there is no real logic to that and I suspect that will also be challenged by the players and eventually overturned). Thus, anything having to do with compensation will HAVE to be done at the conference level or not at all. So--of course a change in governance must occur. But that will likely have substantial somewhat predictable fall out. That means there could easily be a complete reshuffle of D1 in terms of pay-for-play schools may no longer be in the same D1 division as "scholarship only" schools. It may mean that some schools are in a pay-for-play league for football and basketball----but are in a "scholarship only" leagues for their non-revenue sports. I think the structure of the NCAA may very well change radically from what it is today.

I don't think that what Emmert suggests is really ncessary to comply with the Alston injunction. Just adopt new, compliant rules -- which they did last August when the injunction took effect:
https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/propo...?id=105391

Looks to me like they know they will eventually have to give up their remaining "amateurism" rules at the top level.

Back to Alston, there is logic in allowing conferences at the top division to set their own education- related compensation rules, as no single conference is large enough to constitute a monopsony within that space. So long as the conferences do not collude, they're fine. What's more, it's exactly what the player plaintiffs asked for -- though they had wanted the lower courts to broaden the injunction to include non-education related compensation.
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(07-16-2021 05:32 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  How do teams play on an even field if conferences have their own rules.

What is the purpose of having rules that restrict college athletes?

There is no agreement on what the purpose should be.

Some want to be able to point to rules that let them claim future pro athletes are just regular students who are there for the education.

Some want "their" team to find loopholes in the rules to get an advantage over other teams.

Some want to "level the playing field" so that any school with threadbare facilities and coaches who need a second job to make ends meet can compete evenly in men's basketball with schools that have pro-quality facilities and coaches that make more than $5 million/year.

Some want to maintain a power and control balance that is heavily tilted toward coaches and administrators, to make it difficult or impossible for athletes to have options that allow them to choose the situation that is best for them.
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“We need to be ready to say, ‘Yeah, you know, for field hockey, field hockey is different than football. Wrestling is different than lacrosse,’ and not get so hung up on having everything be the same,” said Emmert, who was president of LSU and the University of Washington before taking the NCAA job in 2010."

To me, this is the most important part of what Emmert had to say. It's something that all the players here - the NCAA, the conferences, the schools, the States, Congress - must acknowledge before we will see a reasonable approach to college sports.

Football is fundamentally different from all other sports, and it needs to be treated that way.

IMO, the NCAA needs to completely divorce itself from football if it wants to survive as a relevant institution. And schools need to be able to participate in different sports at different levels. Is D-I basketball too large? I believe it is. Maybe it would be smaller if the NCAA were to require that D-I schools award, say, 200 scholarships in sports other than football. Not just play X number of sports, some of which they don't award many scholarships. Actually award a lot of scholarships.

Then let the number of women's sports vs men's sports be the purview of Title IX, not the NCAA.

Let every conference be represented in the NCAAT - just don't award participation units until the Round of 32. That alone could cut D-I in half, which is about the right number, IMO. It shouldn't be the NCAA's job to socially engineer sports - period.
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(07-16-2021 01:49 PM)chester Wrote:  
(07-16-2021 12:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2021 06:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IIRC some believe Congress will rescue the NCAA from the courts by amending the antitrust laws, giving it an exemption in exchange for regulation.

Imo this letter indicates the NCAA does not forsee that kind of rescue.

I dont read it that way. I read it as they have no choice right now. They are literally simply following the ruling that was handed down that the NCAA cannot regulate compensation across multiple conferences. The conferences CAN do so per the ruling (though there is no real logic to that and I suspect that will also be challenged by the players and eventually overturned). Thus, anything having to do with compensation will HAVE to be done at the conference level or not at all. So--of course a change in governance must occur. But that will likely have substantial somewhat predictable fall out. That means there could easily be a complete reshuffle of D1 in terms of pay-for-play schools may no longer be in the same D1 division as "scholarship only" schools. It may mean that some schools are in a pay-for-play league for football and basketball----but are in a "scholarship only" leagues for their non-revenue sports. I think the structure of the NCAA may very well change radically from what it is today.

I don't think that what Emmert suggests is really ncessary to comply with the Alston injunction. Just adopt new, compliant rules -- which they did last August when the injunction took effect:
https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/propo...?id=105391

Looks to me like they know they will eventually have to give up their remaining "amateurism" rules at the top level.

Back to Alston, there is logic in allowing conferences at the top division to set their own education- related compensation rules, as no single conference is large enough to constitute a monopsony within that space. So long as the conferences do not collude, they're fine. What's more, it's exactly what the player plaintiffs asked for -- though they had wanted the lower courts to broaden the injunction to include non-education related compensation.

From a legal standpoint, the conferences would have the same issue as the NCAA. Collusion immediately exists with an agreement between two *schools* to curtail the free market, so that inherently includes every single conference.
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What makes ANYONE think the big boys want rules?! That would just keep them competing the way they want.
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(07-16-2021 03:24 PM)ken d Wrote:  “We need to be ready to say, ‘Yeah, you know, for field hockey, field hockey is different than football. Wrestling is different than lacrosse,’ and not get so hung up on having everything be the same,” said Emmert, who was president of LSU and the University of Washington before taking the NCAA job in 2010."

To me, this is the most important part of what Emmert had to say. It's something that all the players here - the NCAA, the conferences, the schools, the States, Congress - must acknowledge before we will see a reasonable approach to college sports.

The monetary issues with March Madness and the NCAA go beyond the number of teams or the payments to conferences -- they might be the biggest factor in the NCAA's "one size fits all" approach.

The NCAA itself is basically a freebie for its members because some of the money from March Madness is used to fund the NCAA and all of the tournaments they operate in every division. If schools had to pay dues to cover the cost of each sport they compete in, the dynamics would be different.

Suppose that each college sport was administered by the sport's national governing body instead of the NCAA. Each of those national governing bodies has extensive experience in administrating its sport and staging championship competitions. Example: College swimming would be administered by USA Swimming, each participating school would pay annual dues that collectively cover USA Swimming's cost of administering the college competitions, including staging national championship meets.

Do the same for every college sport that has a national governing body; that would cover almost every college sport except football and even a few that aren't NCAA-sponsored, eg rugby. No need for a "one size fits all" rulebook that covers every college sport; each sport would have its own rulebook.
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