(07-11-2021 05:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 09:39 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 08:25 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 07:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-09-2021 11:05 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Dedric was pretty damn good. Here and at Kansas. Chandler was rated high as an 8th grader and never adjusted down to where he should have been because he was surrounded by incredible talent on Team Penny.

Anyone who has watched these kids in person knows that they've delivered to their ability.

But not their rankings.

Y’all are being silly.

Dedric was a top-40 player in his class and ended up a 3rd team college All American and 1st team All Big 12. Clearly lived up to his ranking.

KJ was ranked outside of the top-150 and ended up conference freshman of the year and a double digit scorer.

Chandler was a borderline top-100 player and has been a 2-year rotation player on a sweet 16 team.

All have lived up to reasonable expectations

Dedric was ranked 36 by 247. He finished his career averaging 18/10 in 3 years. I would say he exceeded his expectations.

KJ was unranked and finished with a 9/5 average. That would also exceed expectations.

Chandler was ranked 95th. He has only averaged 4/4.

So one out of 3 hasn't lived up to rankings.

I think Jonathan will be a pretty good player for us.

KJ was NOT unranked, nor was he outside 150. I don't know why 247 shows him as unranked today. Maybe because he came out one year, then went through an injury redshirt and reclassed. So his class year is a bit fuzzy.

But at the time he came out he was ranked #53 as a 4-star (I keep a database) in the 247 composite. ESPN shows him as #44 in the class of 2015.

And he was a fine player, athletically. It was his head that got him twisted up a bit during his career. I'd say he met expectations until the messy divorce.

Dedric obviously met expectations.

Not sure about Chandler yet, and Johnny is an blank page right now.

As a top 60 recruit, he still performed up to his ranking.

(07-11-2021 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 09:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2021 10:51 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  No offense to the Lawson family. But I don’t think I remember such inconsistency in ratings as it is concerned with those kids. Not one has ever lived up to expectations.

I think some people remember them being ranked higher than they were

Agree. IIRC, Johnathan was ranked #1 (or close) in the 8th grade (or whenever they start ranking kids) but fell quickly after playing nationally ranked players. Maybe that's part of it.

Wasnt Andre Allen ranked Number 1 as an 8th grader?

(07-12-2021 11:57 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 09:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2021 10:51 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  No offense to the Lawson family. But I don’t think I remember such inconsistency in ratings as it is concerned with those kids. Not one has ever lived up to expectations.

I think some people remember them being ranked higher than they were

Agree. IIRC, Johnathan was ranked #1 (or close) in the 8th grade (or whenever they start ranking kids) but fell quickly after playing nationally ranked players. Maybe that's part of it.

Wasnt Andre Allen ranked Number 1 as an 8th grader?

Memphis has had a few kids peak early. I am sure this isn't unique. I am 100% sure that at one point when they were very young, AA and Jerrell Houston were ranked in the top 10 if not the top 5 of the country.

Others I can think of are Leslie McDonald, Jaylen Fisher, Johnathan Williams, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Chris Jones, Nino Johnson, Taurean Moy, Randy Culpepper, Tyler Smith, Leron Black, Tim Peete, Lagerald Vick, Ryan Boyce.

Some ended up ranked quite high, but I am pretty sure all of them were ranked higher when they were younger. So many things can happen. Players don't grow, don't improve athletically, lose their way, or they they weren't playing against good enough competition early on.

It would be nice to have Easterwood or Tom Mays around. I'm sure Merrick has a pretty good memory for that stuff. I used to go on to the site they ran. What was it, Mid-South Hoops?

(07-12-2021 01:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 11:57 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 09:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2021 10:51 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  No offense to the Lawson family. But I don’t think I remember such inconsistency in ratings as it is concerned with those kids. Not one has ever lived up to expectations.

I think some people remember them being ranked higher than they were

Agree. IIRC, Johnathan was ranked #1 (or close) in the 8th grade (or whenever they start ranking kids) but fell quickly after playing nationally ranked players. Maybe that's part of it.

Wasnt Andre Allen ranked Number 1 as an 8th grader?

Memphis has had a few kids peak early. I am sure this isn't unique. I am 100% sure that at one point when they were very young, AA and Jerrell Houston were ranked in the top 10 if not the top 5 of the country.

Others I can think of are Leslie McDonald, Jaylen Fisher, Johnathan Williams, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Chris Jones, Nino Johnson, Taurean Moy, Randy Culpepper, Tyler Smith, Leron Black, Tim Peete, Lagerald Vick, Ryan Boyce.

Some ended up ranked quite high, but I am pretty sure all of them were ranked higher when they were younger. So many things can happen. Players don't grow, don't improve athletically, lose their way, or they they weren't playing against good enough competition early on.

It would be nice to have Easterwood or Tom Mays around. I'm sure Merrick has a pretty good memory for that stuff. I used to go on to the site they ran. What was it, Mid-South Hoops?

yep

ESPN - Johnathan #14
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...basketball

ESPN - Chandler - go to 1:30 of video
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/16069307

(07-12-2021 01:34 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 01:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 11:57 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 09:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  I think some people remember them being ranked higher than they were

Agree. IIRC, Johnathan was ranked #1 (or close) in the 8th grade (or whenever they start ranking kids) but fell quickly after playing nationally ranked players. Maybe that's part of it.

Wasnt Andre Allen ranked Number 1 as an 8th grader?

Memphis has had a few kids peak early. I am sure this isn't unique. I am 100% sure that at one point when they were very young, AA and Jerrell Houston were ranked in the top 10 if not the top 5 of the country.

Others I can think of are Leslie McDonald, Jaylen Fisher, Johnathan Williams, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Chris Jones, Nino Johnson, Taurean Moy, Randy Culpepper, Tyler Smith, Leron Black, Tim Peete, Lagerald Vick, Ryan Boyce.

Some ended up ranked quite high, but I am pretty sure all of them were ranked higher when they were younger. So many things can happen. Players don't grow, don't improve athletically, lose their way, or they they weren't playing against good enough competition early on.

It would be nice to have Easterwood or Tom Mays around. I'm sure Merrick has a pretty good memory for that stuff. I used to go on to the site they ran. What was it, Mid-South Hoops?

yep

That site is what got me hooked up with you clowns.

(07-12-2021 02:55 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 01:34 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 01:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 11:57 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Agree. IIRC, Johnathan was ranked #1 (or close) in the 8th grade (or whenever they start ranking kids) but fell quickly after playing nationally ranked players. Maybe that's part of it.

Wasnt Andre Allen ranked Number 1 as an 8th grader?

Memphis has had a few kids peak early. I am sure this isn't unique. I am 100% sure that at one point when they were very young, AA and Jerrell Houston were ranked in the top 10 if not the top 5 of the country.

Others I can think of are Leslie McDonald, Jaylen Fisher, Johnathan Williams, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Chris Jones, Nino Johnson, Taurean Moy, Randy Culpepper, Tyler Smith, Leron Black, Tim Peete, Lagerald Vick, Ryan Boyce.

Some ended up ranked quite high, but I am pretty sure all of them were ranked higher when they were younger. So many things can happen. Players don't grow, don't improve athletically, lose their way, or they they weren't playing against good enough competition early on.

It would be nice to have Easterwood or Tom Mays around. I'm sure Merrick has a pretty good memory for that stuff. I used to go on to the site they ran. What was it, Mid-South Hoops?

yep

That site is what got me hooked up with you clowns.

Keith was the man

(07-09-2021 11:05 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  In before you know who...

12 - Earl Timberlake


60 - DJ Jeffries
WHO?

62 - Moussa Cisse
WHO?

64 - Boogie Ellis
WHO?

LOL -HEY NOW

(07-12-2021 01:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 11:57 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 09:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2021 10:51 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  No offense to the Lawson family. But I don’t think I remember such inconsistency in ratings as it is concerned with those kids. Not one has ever lived up to expectations.

I think some people remember them being ranked higher than they were

Agree. IIRC, Johnathan was ranked #1 (or close) in the 8th grade (or whenever they start ranking kids) but fell quickly after playing nationally ranked players. Maybe that's part of it.

Wasnt Andre Allen ranked Number 1 as an 8th grader?

Memphis has had a few kids peak early. I am sure this isn't unique. I am 100% sure that at one point when they were very young, AA and Jerrell Houston were ranked in the top 10 if not the top 5 of the country.

Others I can think of are Leslie McDonald, Jaylen Fisher, Johnathan Williams, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Chris Jones, Nino Johnson, Taurean Moy, Randy Culpepper, Tyler Smith, Leron Black, Tim Peete, Lagerald Vick, Ryan Boyce.

Some ended up ranked quite high, but I am pretty sure all of them were ranked higher when they were younger. So many things can happen. Players don't grow, don't improve athletically, lose their way, or they they weren't playing against good enough competition early on.

It would be nice to have Easterwood or Tom Mays around. I'm sure Merrick has a pretty good memory for that stuff. I used to go on to the site they ran. What was it, Mid-South Hoops?

Jerrell Houston I remember him. I can’t remember where he went. I think Mississippi State. I also remember the CA doing a huge article on Dwight Stewart when he was an 8th grader at Geeter. He was like 6-8 at age 13

(07-12-2021 07:03 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 01:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 11:57 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-11-2021 09:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  I think some people remember them being ranked higher than they were

Agree. IIRC, Johnathan was ranked #1 (or close) in the 8th grade (or whenever they start ranking kids) but fell quickly after playing nationally ranked players. Maybe that's part of it.

Wasnt Andre Allen ranked Number 1 as an 8th grader?

Memphis has had a few kids peak early. I am sure this isn't unique. I am 100% sure that at one point when they were very young, AA and Jerrell Houston were ranked in the top 10 if not the top 5 of the country.

Others I can think of are Leslie McDonald, Jaylen Fisher, Johnathan Williams, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Chris Jones, Nino Johnson, Taurean Moy, Randy Culpepper, Tyler Smith, Leron Black, Tim Peete, Lagerald Vick, Ryan Boyce.

Some ended up ranked quite high, but I am pretty sure all of them were ranked higher when they were younger. So many things can happen. Players don't grow, don't improve athletically, lose their way, or they they weren't playing against good enough competition early on.

It would be nice to have Easterwood or Tom Mays around. I'm sure Merrick has a pretty good memory for that stuff. I used to go on to the site they ran. What was it, Mid-South Hoops?

Jerrell Houston I remember him. I can’t remember where he went. I think Mississippi State. I also remember the CA doing a huge article on Dwight Stewart when he was an 8th grader at Geeter. He was like 6-8 at age 13

Great memory Stammers. Andre Allen was the number 1 8th grader. Paris London was once mentioned as the next biggest player from Memphis since Penny. Neither one was a McDonalds AA; nor anyone on that list was a HS AA. Andre was a great addition to the team. I still think if he plays in the final 4 we have a Natty, despite Cal.

Currently the city has hyped up the current class of 24. Jaye Nash, Cooper Haynes, Nowell, Curtis Givens III etc. Memphis has offered but we will see who is worth the hype.