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The city is right to tell the Coyotes to commit to 20 years or kick them out now. Why should they let the Coyotes have the convenience of going year to year in Glendale while they're building a new arena 20 miles away that, if built, will take not only the hockey games but other events away from the Glendale arena?
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Is it weird the Coyotes don't share the same arena as the Suns?
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(08-20-2021 02:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Is it weird the Coyotes don't share the same arena as the Suns?

They actually did when for a few years when the Jets initially relocated to Arizona to become the Coyotes. However, they quickly found out that the arena where the Suns play isn't configured well for hockey.

They had to remove some seating in the lower bowl to accommodate the playing surface for the NHL which resulted in three sections in the upper tier actually hanging above the ice. Fans in those seats couldn't see up to 1/4 of the ice (including the goal).

The NY Islanders had similar problems when they moved into the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.
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(08-20-2021 02:49 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 02:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Is it weird the Coyotes don't share the same arena as the Suns?

They actually did when for a few years when the Jets initially relocated to Arizona to become the Coyotes. However, they quickly found out that the arena where the Suns play isn't configured well for hockey.

They had to remove some seating in the lower bowl to accommodate the playing surface for the NHL which resulted in three sections in the upper tier actually hanging above the ice. Fans in those seats couldn't see up to 1/4 of the ice (including the goal).

The NY Islanders had similar problems when they moved into the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Yeah, it was not set up for NHL Hockey. Plus the Suns controlled the arena advertising, parking, etc.

Coyotes first choice was to build on the site of a vacant mall in South Scollsdale just north of Tempe a couple of blocks from my house, but the city veto'd that - it is now ASU's SkySong Campus
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(08-20-2021 04:27 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 02:49 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 02:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Is it weird the Coyotes don't share the same arena as the Suns?

They actually did when for a few years when the Jets initially relocated to Arizona to become the Coyotes. However, they quickly found out that the arena where the Suns play isn't configured well for hockey.

They had to remove some seating in the lower bowl to accommodate the playing surface for the NHL which resulted in three sections in the upper tier actually hanging above the ice. Fans in those seats couldn't see up to 1/4 of the ice (including the goal).

The NY Islanders had similar problems when they moved into the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Yeah, it was not set up for NHL Hockey. Plus the Suns controlled the arena advertising, parking, etc.

Coyotes first choice was to build on the site of a vacant mall in South Scollsdale just north of Tempe a couple of blocks from my house, but the city veto'd that - it is now ASU's SkySong Campus

This ESPN report mentions Houston's Toyota Center as a possible relocation fit for the Coyotes:

City of Glendale terminating Arizona Coyotes' Gila River Arena lease after 2021-22 season
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(08-23-2021 12:54 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 04:27 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 02:49 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 02:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Is it weird the Coyotes don't share the same arena as the Suns?

They actually did when for a few years when the Jets initially relocated to Arizona to become the Coyotes. However, they quickly found out that the arena where the Suns play isn't configured well for hockey.

They had to remove some seating in the lower bowl to accommodate the playing surface for the NHL which resulted in three sections in the upper tier actually hanging above the ice. Fans in those seats couldn't see up to 1/4 of the ice (including the goal).

The NY Islanders had similar problems when they moved into the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Yeah, it was not set up for NHL Hockey. Plus the Suns controlled the arena advertising, parking, etc.

Coyotes first choice was to build on the site of a vacant mall in South Scollsdale just north of Tempe a couple of blocks from my house, but the city veto'd that - it is now ASU's SkySong Campus

This ESPN report mentions Houston's Toyota Center as a possible relocation fit for the Coyotes:

City of Glendale terminating Arizona Coyotes' Gila River Arena lease after 2021-22 season

I don't think relocation out of Phoenix to another southern city is in the cards. At least not yet.

If they can get the deal with Tempe ironed out, it will be far more lucrative to play a couple of seasons at Footprint or Veterans then move into their own development vs paying rent in Houston.
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(08-23-2021 01:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-23-2021 12:54 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 04:27 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 02:49 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-20-2021 02:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Is it weird the Coyotes don't share the same arena as the Suns?

They actually did when for a few years when the Jets initially relocated to Arizona to become the Coyotes. However, they quickly found out that the arena where the Suns play isn't configured well for hockey.

They had to remove some seating in the lower bowl to accommodate the playing surface for the NHL which resulted in three sections in the upper tier actually hanging above the ice. Fans in those seats couldn't see up to 1/4 of the ice (including the goal).

The NY Islanders had similar problems when they moved into the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Yeah, it was not set up for NHL Hockey. Plus the Suns controlled the arena advertising, parking, etc.

Coyotes first choice was to build on the site of a vacant mall in South Scollsdale just north of Tempe a couple of blocks from my house, but the city veto'd that - it is now ASU's SkySong Campus

This ESPN report mentions Houston's Toyota Center as a possible relocation fit for the Coyotes:

City of Glendale terminating Arizona Coyotes' Gila River Arena lease after 2021-22 season

I don't think relocation out of Phoenix to another southern city is in the cards. At least not yet.

If they can get the deal with Tempe ironed out, it will be far more lucrative to play a couple of seasons at Footprint or Veterans then move into their own development vs paying rent in Houston.

In that ESPN article... on the day the Coyotes owner was introduced two years ago, Bettman said he was going to leave Glendale for a new arena. So maybe the question is, why didn't Glendale terminate the team's lease sooner.

Quote:Alex Meruelo took over as the Coyotes majority owner in 2019. When the move was approved by the NHL's board of governors, commissioner Gary Bettman introduced Meruelo as the person who he believed would find a long-term arena solution and keep the team in Arizona.

"He's committed to trying to get a new arena in the right location, and making it work," Bettman said of Meruelo in 2019.
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Preseason games start at the end of the week. Canes have a game a week from today hosting Tampa.
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Cities that should try to woo the Coyotes:

Salt Lake City
Portland
Kansas City (have arena ready)
Quebec City
Milwaukee
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(Yesterday 11:54 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Cities that should try to woo the Coyotes:

Salt Lake City
Portland
Kansas City (have arena ready)
Quebec City
Milwaukee

The Coyotes' owner doesn't just want to play in a new arena or a new city. Look at what he's asking Tempe to do for him: He wants free land on which to build an "entertainment district" that he alone will own and profit from, and he wants a few hundred million in tax breaks or whatever.

He wants to use the team and a new building as bait for a massive real estate giveaway that will make him a ton of money. Not coincidentally, that is the same thing the A's owner is trying to do in Oakland.
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So Wedge: my candidate cities aren’t viable? Unless they’re dumb enough to cave to his demands.
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(Today 11:03 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  So Wedge: my candidate cities aren’t viable? Unless they’re dumb enough to cave to his demands.

The Coyotes' owner isn't looking to just be a tenant in an arena someplace else. He wants to make money off of the construction of an arena and surrounding real estate development.

And maybe that's financially the right move for a team owner. A few examples just in California:

The Golden State Warriors franchise is, according to those estimates we see, worth almost ten times as much as the current owners paid for it, due partly to winning three NBA titles but due at least as much to building and owning a brand new arena in San Francisco.

The LA Clippers owner apparently thinks that's also the way to go, because he is building a new arena near the Rams new stadium.

The former owner of the San Diego Padres developed a lot of valuable land near Petco Park when it was built, and his real estate company is still profiting from that even though he sold the team several years ago at a price that went way up because the team had a brand new ballpark.
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