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(07-10-2021 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

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The powers-that-be have greatly devalued the 4-team format with the rush of media stating that the 12-team proposal is far superior. They are not going to keep putting the 4-team playoff out there for 5 more years just because they disagree on details or because someone thinks they can get more money by waiting 5 years to take the playoff to the open market.

That was most likely the intent of all of the publicity around the 12-team format, to get people so into it that there would be no turning back.

I haven’t watched the 4-team playoff since it’s beginning because there’s never teams that I care about in it. Just like the 2-team format before it.

12-team I’ll probably care more years than not.
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RE: Dodd: CFP expansion is complicated and could get messy
(07-10-2021 03:03 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

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The powers-that-be have greatly devalued the 4-team format with the rush of media stating that the 12-team proposal is far superior. They are not going to keep putting the 4-team playoff out there for 5 more years just because they disagree on details or because someone thinks they can get more money by waiting 5 years to take the playoff to the open market.

That was most likely the intent of all of the publicity around the 12-team format, to get people so into it that there would be no turning back.

I haven’t watched the 4-team playoff since it’s beginning because there’s never teams that I care about in it. Just like the 2-team format before it.

12-team I’ll probably care more years than not.

The other reason beside gobs of money. By November the majority of College Football Fans had checked out. Now a 7-2 Wisconsin vs a 7-2 Iowa Game would mean something late in the year. Much like the Division/Wild Card races in the NFL.

Plus to me when I saw that Greg Sankey-(SEC), Bob Bowlsby-(Big XII & Texas) and Notre Dame Athletics Director Jack Swarbrick was on the CFP Expansion Sub Committee and the driving force behind it...game over. The SEC Commish and the Big XII Commish are not going to do anything without the approval of those schools Presidents. Those are the true powers minus the Big Ten that control College Football.
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(07-10-2021 01:30 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:12 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

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The current system gets less & less popular each year - fine for you but a slow death for the sport.

What information went into this conclusion? Declining Ratings?

Most sports programming seems to be declining in popularity! The Super Bowl, Finals and World Series have been losing viewership for the past 5-6 year in a row. I believe the wild card round in the NFL lost something like 20% from 2020 to 2021.

“The six games averaged 25.1 million viewers on television and online, which is a 20% drop from last season’s per-game viewership on the first playoff weekend, according to the league and Nielsen. Last year’s four wild-card games, two of which went to overtime, averaged 30.5 million viewers.”

Yes attendance is down & rating are down. These are the 2 money metrics that count. If you don't change it up, you just die faster.
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(07-10-2021 03:30 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 01:30 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:12 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

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The current system gets less & less popular each year - fine for you but a slow death for the sport.

What information went into this conclusion? Declining Ratings?

Most sports programming seems to be declining in popularity! The Super Bowl, Finals and World Series have been losing viewership for the past 5-6 year in a row. I believe the wild card round in the NFL lost something like 20% from 2020 to 2021.

“The six games averaged 25.1 million viewers on television and online, which is a 20% drop from last season’s per-game viewership on the first playoff weekend, according to the league and Nielsen. Last year’s four wild-card games, two of which went to overtime, averaged 30.5 million viewers.”

Yes attendance is down & rating are down. These are the 2 money metrics that count. If you don't change it up, you just die faster.

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(07-10-2021 03:03 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

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The powers-that-be have greatly devalued the 4-team format with the rush of media stating that the 12-team proposal is far superior. They are not going to keep putting the 4-team playoff out there for 5 more years just because they disagree on details or because someone thinks they can get more money by waiting 5 years to take the playoff to the open market.

That was most likely the intent of all of the publicity around the 12-team format, to get people so into it that there would be no turning back.

I haven’t watched the 4-team playoff since it’s beginning because there’s never teams that I care about in it. Just like the 2-team format before it.

12-team I’ll probably care more years than not.

I havent watched because they dont air it OTA.

If they have games over the radio I can just listen that way.

I dont want 12 team playoffs with MORE blowouts. Its already a problem and weve seen numerous blowouts. Im sure more blowouts will lead to higher ratings.
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RE: Dodd: CFP expansion is complicated and could get messy
(07-10-2021 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

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The powers-that-be have greatly devalued the 4-team format with the rush of media stating that the 12-team proposal is far superior. They are not going to keep putting the 4-team playoff out there for 5 more years just because they disagree on details or because someone thinks they can get more money by waiting 5 years to take the playoff to the open market.

That was most likely the intent of all of the publicity around the 12-team format, to get people so into it that there would be no turning back.


And if this forum is any indication, that seems to be working.
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(07-10-2021 01:23 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 01:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:12 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

07-coffee3

You’re in the minority on this and the money is way too enticing to go with the fact that attendance DROPPED to a 25 year low in 2019-(Pre Covid) but the players should have a say in this....07-coffee3

IMO, attendance is dropping for reasons that have nothing to do with the postseason and so it is very unlikely that a change of the postseason will fix it. The main thing is media deals and technology: Basically, ever FBS game is available to be viewed on some channel, and there is wide availability of cheap high-definition viewing devices and streaming. You can enjoy watching a game so much easier at home or anywhere else.

Heck, I know many people who go to LSU games for the tailgating. They tailgate all day, but never go in the stadium. They watch from the parking lot under their tents on a 50" high-def TV.

To me, the expanded playoffs are for the wrong reasons - gobs of money and losers. The conferences want the gobs of money, and all the losers who can't get better than Alabama and Clemson and Ohio State want to make the playoffs anyway. Bad reasons.

Only what I put in bold matters...With SEC Commish one of the leaders in CFP Expansion JMO it is just a matter of time when it goes to 12 schools...look at it like this...even the NFL went to 17 Regular Season games and expanded playoffs...For gobs of money….07-coffee3

Oh i agree - because of the money expanded playoffs are coming. I just don't think it should.
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(07-10-2021 03:12 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 03:03 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

07-coffee3

The powers-that-be have greatly devalued the 4-team format with the rush of media stating that the 12-team proposal is far superior. They are not going to keep putting the 4-team playoff out there for 5 more years just because they disagree on details or because someone thinks they can get more money by waiting 5 years to take the playoff to the open market.

That was most likely the intent of all of the publicity around the 12-team format, to get people so into it that there would be no turning back.

I haven’t watched the 4-team playoff since it’s beginning because there’s never teams that I care about in it. Just like the 2-team format before it.

12-team I’ll probably care more years than not.

The other reason beside [gobs of money. By November the majority of College Football Fans had checked out. Now a 7-2 Wisconsin vs a 7-2 Iowa Game would mean something late in the year.

So that must mean CFB TV ratings and attendance typically plunge from November on, right?
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Has nothing to do with player concerns and everything to do with the calendar not being able to accommodate the Bowls and a 12-team playoff. It’s that simple. If there was a solution we wouldn’t have been stuck with the systems we’ve had for the last 20+ years.
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Man - another misleading headline. (Not the fault of the OP - it’s simply the CBS headline writer.)

In reading that article, pretty much nothing is complicated. The overarching information from that report is that the expanded CFP is coming and it’s coming SOON.
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(07-10-2021 07:47 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Has nothing to do with player concerns and everything to do with the calendar not being able to accommodate the Bowls and a 12-team playoff. It’s that simple. If there was a solution we wouldn’t have been stuck with the systems we’ve had for the last 20+ years.

Except isn't the NFL calendar changing? AFAIU, the analysis of the 8 team playoff with NY quarterfinal that said it couldn't fit was when Wild Card Weekend was 1 week plus from NYD. That analysis would change if Wild Card Weekend is 2 weeks plus after NYD ... the NCG can be the week later Monday night of Wild Card Weekend, and there is time to fit semi-finals on a Saturday between that day and NYD.

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(07-10-2021 08:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Man - another misleading headline. (Not the fault of the OP - it’s simply the CBS headline writer.)

In reading that article, pretty much nothing is complicated. The overarching information from that report is that the expanded CFP is coming and it’s coming SOON.

As far as the "Why the College Football Play expansion is a complicated task with the potential for significant fallout", I think that's not misleading ...

... while the title of the post with the "could get messy" is at least open to the reading that these are complications that could derail the process, the article headline doesn't support the same reading.

As far as you reading the article and not finding complications, that is more about you already having worked through the complications, so they don't seem as complicated to you as to the average reader of articles on the CBS Sports site.
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(07-10-2021 07:53 AM)chester Wrote:  Better go with the high end of that $20-30k figure. Or higher still... The NCAA, FBS conferences or FBS schools may already provide players yearly academic awards of up to $5,980 or graduation awards of, I guess, up to $23,920. So unsigned players can, today, with just a 4-team playoff in place, command the promise of such from the schools that compete for their labor.

I believe that as well and wonder if that's a check for every season they make the playoff. That player could potentially finish their career with six-figures in their pocket. Not a bad deal to get your post-college life started if don't go pro.

(07-10-2021 08:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Man - another misleading headline. (Not the fault of the OP - it’s simply the CBS headline writer.)

In reading that article, pretty much nothing is complicated. The overarching information from that report is that the expanded CFP is coming and it’s coming SOON.

Yeah. The only reason I posted it was because the potential player payments seemed new. The majority of the other stuff was discussed to the point on this board that it's practically old news here.

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(07-10-2021 08:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Man - another misleading headline. (Not the fault of the OP - it’s simply the CBS headline writer.)

In reading that article, pretty much nothing is complicated. The overarching information from that report is that the expanded CFP is coming and it’s coming SOON.

As far as the "Why the College Football Play expansion is a complicated task with the potential for significant fallout", I think that's not misleading ...

... while the title of the post with the "could get messy" is at least open to the reading that these are complications that could derail the process, the article headline doesn't support the same reading.

As far as you reading the article and not finding complications, that is more about you already having worked through the complications, so they don't seem as complicated to you as to the average reader of articles on the CBS Sports site.

CBS used both headlines. The one I used is to the right of the article (I guess it's their summarized headline). It fit in the subject line so I went with that one.
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(07-11-2021 03:24 AM)Alanda Wrote:  CBS used both headlines. The one I used is to the right of the article (I guess it's their summarized headline). It fit in the subject line so I went with that one.

I read it on my tablet, as I was at home and that is the home device that gets through the Great Firewall of China, so I did only see their actual headline, and didn't see their clickbait tweet line.
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(07-11-2021 12:49 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Except isn't the NFL calendar changing? AFAIU, the analysis of the 8 team playoff with NY quarterfinal that said it couldn't fit was when Wild Card Weekend was 1 week plus from NYD. That analysis would change if Wild Card Weekend is 2 weeks plus after NYD ... the NCG can be the week later Monday night of Wild Card Weekend, and there is time to fit semi-finals on a Saturday between that day and

The Rose Sugar cannot be QFs without extending the season to late January and playing weeknight SFs, at least every 6/7 years. The only exception is when NYD falls on the first Saturday of January (as will be the case in 22’). Otherwise you will leave less than a week between the QFs and SFs. This only works if the Rose and Sugar are willing to move out of the 1st/2nd of the month when hosting QFs or SFs. If they can’t get out of those dates they will be left out of the playoff every 6/7 years (I don’t know when the 1st falls on a Saturday again, maybe 29’).

The freed Saturday from NFL week 18 is the only sensible slot for SFs. This means the QFs have to be played prior to the 1st every 6/7 years meaning the Rose/Sugar are cut out those years.
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(07-10-2021 05:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the current CFP works just fine. Keep it that way, everything else is just a money-grab that puts more physical pressures on the players.

07-coffee3

The powers-that-be have greatly devalued the 4-team format with the rush of media stating that the 12-team proposal is far superior. They are not going to keep putting the 4-team playoff out there for 5 more years just because they disagree on details or because someone thinks they can get more money by waiting 5 years to take the playoff to the open market.

That was most likely the intent of all of the publicity around the 12-team format, to get people so into it that there would be no turning back.


And if this forum is any indication, that seems to be working.

I would say that this forum isn't representative of "college football fans" generally, in that it is disproportionately populated by G5 fans, and thus tends to share their concerns. And an expanded playoff seems to be extremely popular among G5 fans, for obvious reasons.

That said, I don't doubt that in this case, expanded playoffs have major P5 support as well, and are almost inevitable at this point. It is just a matter of ironing out the details, though that could take some time.
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(07-11-2021 12:49 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Except isn't the NFL calendar changing? AFAIU, the analysis of the 8 team playoff with NY quarterfinal that said it couldn't fit was when Wild Card Weekend was 1 week plus from NYD. That analysis would change if Wild Card Weekend is 2 weeks plus after NYD ... the NCG can be the week later Monday night of Wild Card Weekend, and there is time to fit semi-finals on a Saturday between that day and

The Rose Sugar cannot be QFs without extending the season to late January and playing weeknight SFs, at least every 6/7 years. The only exception is when NYD falls on the first Saturday of January (as will be the case in 22’). ..

Yes, but is the NYD date sacrosanct for anybody except the Rose Bowl? Obviously one weeknight SF is possible the Monday of Week 18, since the NFL completes the final regular season play on Sunday, so two QF bowls are always possible on a non-weekend NYD, it's just that if they are the Sugar and Rose Bowl, there is no way to have any overall seeded bracket without one of those two free to take any school, just as there is no way to have an overall seeded bracket with the Rose Bowl always getting available PAC-12 and Big Ten champions. Then the other two Quarterfinals are the Saturday after Christmas, and their semi-final is Saturday of Week 18.

When NYD is Sunday, the two QF on NYE would have their SF the Saturday of NFL Wk18, and the two QF on the Monday after NYD would have their SF on Monday of NFL Wk18.
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(07-10-2021 08:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Man - another misleading headline. (Not the fault of the OP - it’s simply the CBS headline writer.)

In reading that article, pretty much nothing is complicated. The overarching information from that report is that the expanded CFP is coming and it’s coming SOON.

I don't know, it is pretty complicated if you think about it. They have to make it seem like they're more worried about player safety than they are about how to divide the revenue, while sounding sincere. That's not easy for them.
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(07-11-2021 08:15 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 05:09 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 12:49 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Except isn't the NFL calendar changing? AFAIU, the analysis of the 8 team playoff with NY quarterfinal that said it couldn't fit was when Wild Card Weekend was 1 week plus from NYD. That analysis would change if Wild Card Weekend is 2 weeks plus after NYD ... the NCG can be the week later Monday night of Wild Card Weekend, and there is time to fit semi-finals on a Saturday between that day and

The Rose Sugar cannot be QFs without extending the season to late January and playing weeknight SFs, at least every 6/7 years. The only exception is when NYD falls on the first Saturday of January (as will be the case in 22’). ..

Yes, but is the NYD date sacrosanct for anybody except the Rose Bowl? Obviously one weeknight SF is possible the Monday of Week 18, since the NFL completes the final regular season play on Sunday, so two QF bowls are always possible on a non-weekend NYD, it's just that if they are the Sugar and Rose Bowl, there is no way to have any overall seeded bracket without one of those two free to take any school, just as there is no way to have an overall seeded bracket with the Rose Bowl always getting available PAC-12 and Big Ten champions. Then the other two Quarterfinals are the Saturday after Christmas, and their semi-final is Saturday of Week 18.

When NYD is Sunday, the two QF on NYE would have their SF the Saturday of NFL Wk18, and the two QF on the Monday after NYD would have their SF on Monday of NFL Wk18.

Yes, I think the scheduling will work itself out and the Rose Bowl situation isn’t going to end up being as complicated the article makes it out to be. Non-Big Ten/Pac-12 people seem to make a big deal of the “special treatment” for the Rose Bowl and reflexively try to push against it, yet it seems that the only core issue is that the Rose Bowl wants to be on NYD specifically and if that means that it will always be a quarterfinal while the other bowls can rotate and be semifinals in other years, then that (at least to me) appears to be a reasonable trade-off.

On the tie-in situation, it ranges from the simple/obvious/non-controversial where any top 4 Big Ten or Pac-12 champ should get automatically slotted in the Rose Bowl (with preference going to the higher ranked team if both are in the top 4) to the more complex/controversial where you use conference tie-ins for the teams remaining after the first round to slot the quarterfinals (in which case you could very well maintain the traditional Big Ten-Pac-12 matchup in many/most years if those leagues have teams remaining) regardless of seeding. I personally prefer the latter, but I understand that the “seeding purists” have generally ruled the day on playoff discussions over the years.
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(07-11-2021 08:40 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 08:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Man - another misleading headline. (Not the fault of the OP - it’s simply the CBS headline writer.)

In reading that article, pretty much nothing is complicated. The overarching information from that report is that the expanded CFP is coming and it’s coming SOON.

I don't know, it is pretty complicated if you think about it. They have to make it seem like they're more worried about player safety than they are about how to divide the revenue, while sounding sincere. That's not easy for them.

Oh - I agree with that from a PR standpoint. I just don’t think people should miss the forest for the trees, though. The forest is overwhelmingly moving toward this playoff and doubt that any particular issue is anywhere close to insurmountable.
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(07-11-2021 08:45 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 08:40 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 08:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Man - another misleading headline. (Not the fault of the OP - it’s simply the CBS headline writer.)

In reading that article, pretty much nothing is complicated. The overarching information from that report is that the expanded CFP is coming and it’s coming SOON.

I don't know, it is pretty complicated if you think about it. They have to make it seem like they're more worried about player safety than they are about how to divide the revenue, while sounding sincere. That's not easy for them.

Oh - I agree with that from a PR standpoint. I just don’t think people should miss the forest for the trees, though. The forest is overwhelmingly moving toward this playoff and doubt that any particular issue is anywhere close to insurmountable.

Yes, some (like me) would prefer the current CFP continue, but expanded playoffs are coming one way or another, and probably before 2026.

Too much money involved to pass up.
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