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RE: Could Rice restart the SWC in the post-Covid climate?
Some of the private schools in the south/southwest region do like to schedule the military service academies at available time periods. Often, there has been general compatibility.
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(07-11-2021 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 08:42 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I posted a year or two ago that Rice would make a good candidate for independence. (Granted, it is less and less practical now that the top 6 conference champions will get auto bids to the CFP, plus n

But scheduling-wise, Rice seems like it would be very happy to have a combination of former SWC opponents (including both current P5 's and AAC schools), other Texas G5 schools, a Texas FCS school, a few elite private AAU or otherwise highly selective private schools (Stanford, Duke, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Tulane, and a few others), and some of the other independents to fill out 12 games. This seems to be how they do their non-conference schedule anyway.

I think Rice could get the games it needs to go Indy---but its going to result in some long range travel---especially late season in the season when indy scheduling becomes more of an issue. There simply are no nearby indy teams. BYU and NM St would be the only western Indy teams available to fill November slots. The rest are largely east or northeastern teams. So, be it BYU or Connecticut---U Mass or NM St---Rice would be doing some long range traveling in the latter half of each season.

While I think they could pull it off---I think they are probably better off in a conference. As it stands, they would be better off if they could get to the AAC or MW. If a huge complete reshuffle of the entire 65 team G5 occurs, then some recreation of the SWC using the G5 parts available would be perfect home for Rice.

The problem is where do you put basketball and the Olympic sports? Rice takes baseball seriously and C-USA is a good baseball conference. Olympic sports thrive in the conference as well. What other options do they have? The Sun Belt? Southland? WAC? A-Sun?
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RE: Could Rice restart the SWC in the post-Covid climate?
(07-11-2021 09:59 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:20 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 06:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Take the 7 members of C-USA West, add Texas St, ULL, and Ark St, and you have yourself a 10 team SWC.

C-USA East refills with App St, GA St, and GA Southern.

Left in the SBC are:

CCU
Troy
USA
ULM
UTA (no fb)
UALR (no fb)

You’ve got a lot of FCS schools in the Deep South to pick from to restock.

Amazed that some continue to view CUSA being superior to the SB. App isn't leaving the SB for CUSA and it's doubtful GA So or GA St would either. The more likely situation would be the SB making a play for Charlotte, Marshall, ODU and USM which would make for a heck of a conference.

Sun Belt has done very well recently in football while CUSA has slipped. However when viewed through all athletics and not just football, CUSA is the better conference. The name recognition and academics of schools in CUSA are better too. The question of moving from the Sun Belt to CUSA is if the separation is big enough to warrant such a gamble. App State is doing fine in the belt and maybe they see the step up to CUSA as not being enough and a gamble. Basically, it doesn't seem to be THAT much greener on the other side, why make the change. There's an argument to be made there that I understand. But overall CUSA is the better athletic conference.

Again, we don't see CUSA as a step up.
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RE: Could Rice restart the SWC in the post-Covid climate?
(07-11-2021 02:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:20 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 06:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Take the 7 members of C-USA West, add Texas St, ULL, and Ark St, and you have yourself a 10 team SWC.

C-USA East refills with App St, GA St, and GA Southern.

Left in the SBC are:

CCU
Troy
USA
ULM
UTA (no fb)
UALR (no fb)

You’ve got a lot of FCS schools in the Deep South to pick from to restock.

Amazed that some continue to view CUSA being superior to the SB. App isn't leaving the SB for CUSA and it's doubtful GA So or GA St would either. The more likely situation would be the SB making a play for Charlotte, Marshall, ODU and USM which would make for a heck of a conference.

Sun Belt has done very well recently in football while CUSA has slipped. However when viewed through all athletics and not just football, CUSA is the better conference. The name recognition and academics of schools in CUSA are better too. The question of moving from the Sun Belt to CUSA is if the separation is big enough to warrant such a gamble. App State is doing fine in the belt and maybe they see the step up to CUSA as not being enough and a gamble. Basically, it doesn't seem to be THAT much greener on the other side, why make the change. There's an argument to be made there that I understand. But overall CUSA is the better athletic conference.

Again, we don't see CUSA as a step up.

Your school president might disagree with you. You know realignment is more than football, right?
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RE: Could Rice restart the SWC in the post-Covid climate?
(07-11-2021 12:48 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 08:42 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I posted a year or two ago that Rice would make a good candidate for independence. (Granted, it is less and less practical now that the top 6 conference champions will get auto bids to the CFP, plus n

But scheduling-wise, Rice seems like it would be very happy to have a combination of former SWC opponents (including both current P5 's and AAC schools), other Texas G5 schools, a Texas FCS school, a few elite private AAU or otherwise highly selective private schools (Stanford, Duke, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Tulane, and a few others), and some of the other independents to fill out 12 games. This seems to be how they do their non-conference schedule anyway.

I think Rice could get the games it needs to go Indy---but its going to result in some long range travel---especially late season in the season when indy scheduling becomes more of an issue. There simply are no nearby indy teams. BYU and NM St would be the only western Indy teams available to fill November slots. The rest are largely east or northeastern teams. So, be it BYU or Connecticut---U Mass or NM St---Rice would be doing some long range traveling in the latter half of each season.

While I think they could pull it off---I think they are probably better off in a conference. As it stands, they would be better off if they could get to the AAC or MW. If a huge complete reshuffle of the entire 65 team G5 occurs, then some recreation of the SWC using the G5 parts available would be perfect home for Rice.

The problem is where do you put basketball and the Olympic sports? Rice takes baseball seriously and C-USA is a good baseball conference. Olympic sports thrive in the conference as well. What other options do they have? The Sun Belt? Southland? WAC? A-Sun?

I dont disagree. As I said, I think the COULD do it, but I dont think they SHOULD do it. I think they are better off where they are until such time that a better conference situation becomes available.
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RE: Could Rice restart the SWC in the post-Covid climate?
The only acceptable option for Rice is to put itself in the position to be the AAC's 12th and final school.

There is work to do - but it's the only good path forward for them. After joining the AAC, they can then look at angling their academics to get into a P5 league one day in the future.

If Rice were to improve athletic performance to the point where the AAC takes them, then the AAC would own the top 4 academic (Rice, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa) AND athletic (Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Houston) properties in the G5 (excluding academies - they run differently). Furthermore, they'd add another "historic" school that has been in conferences with the big kids.
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RE: Could Rice restart the SWC in the post-Covid climate?
I think if Houston ever gets the golden ticket, Rice is in the AAC. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane will want an institution similar to them. Navy will want a game in Texas every year, and it's hard for them to pass on a game in the Houston area.

I also think that if divisonless is allowable going forward, it really won't matter that there are 11 teams in the conference. The best case scenario is that you get exactly two teams undefeated (in conference play) teams playing in the championship game. Since each team has only two no-plays, it's not possible to have more than two teams with no losses.
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(07-10-2021 09:50 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Hard pass.

MW or stay put for this UTEP fan.

Ditto for this NMSU fan.
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(07-11-2021 09:59 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think if Houston ever gets the golden ticket, Rice is in the AAC. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane will want an institution similar to them. Navy will want a game in Texas every year, and it's hard for them to pass on a game in the Houston area. ...

It does depend on how many the AAC lose, since it they lose one, they can stick to 10, but if the AAC loses two or three, it would not be surprising at all if Rice gets an invite ... especially as SMU, Tulsa and Tulane are likely to still be around as schools voting on the invites.
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(07-11-2021 10:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 09:50 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  Hard pass.

MW or stay put for this UTEP fan.

Ditto for this NMSU fan.

How likely is it for NMSU to get into the MW? I would assume New Mexico would block any possibility of NMSU entering. Wouldn't the MW expand into Texas more before considering NMSU? I guess you're hoping the Texas schools reject MW advances and New Mexico will have to accept sending an invite to NMSU?
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(07-12-2021 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think if Houston ever gets the golden ticket, Rice is in the AAC. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane will want an institution similar to them. Navy will want a game in Texas every year, and it's hard for them to pass on a game in the Houston area. ...

It does depend on how many the AAC lose, since it they lose one, they can stick to 10, but if the AAC loses two or three, it would not be surprising at all if Rice gets an invite ... especially as SMU, Tulsa and Tulane are likely to still be around as schools voting on the invites.

I would bet money that if Houston leaves the AAC, Rice will immediately get an invitation, even if they would be at 11 still. They want the Houston metro, they need to keep Navy happy, they raise the academic profile of the conference and they have a recognizable name and a good history in the SWC.
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(07-09-2021 11:24 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  New Southwest Conference

Rice Owls
Arkansas State Red Wolves
North Texas Mean Green
Texas State Bobcats
UTEP Miners
UTSA Roadrunners
University of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
Southern Miss Golden Eagles

I like the idea but it needs more than just Rice from the original 9 team league. First of all I would suggest that something dramatic must happen with the Big XII. Let's just say that Texas, Oklahoma, & Kansas go to the B1G Ten. You could blend some big state schools with some Texas Privates and some Large Texas publics not named UT or aTm. I would also suggest a larger number and obviously base the league in Dallas, Texas.

Out of the box thinking, renewed SWC

SWC Northish (Leftover Big 8 + Texas Schools)

Iowa State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Tulsa
Texas Tech
North Texas
UT Arlington (home either Cotton Bowl or Jerry World)
UT Dallas (home either Cotton Bowl or Jerry World)
UT San Antonio
Texas State


SWC Southish (SWC + Southern Schools)


Baylor
SMU
TCU
Rice
Houston
UL Lafayette
La Tech
Southern Mississippi
Arkansas State
Memphis
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I can get behind a SWC-S
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OP--- " I know this seems far fetched..." Yep.

RICE to the AAC (not a slam dunk) has a much better chance than the Owls re-starting the SWC.
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(07-11-2021 03:08 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 02:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:20 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-10-2021 06:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Take the 7 members of C-USA West, add Texas St, ULL, and Ark St, and you have yourself a 10 team SWC.

C-USA East refills with App St, GA St, and GA Southern.

Left in the SBC are:

CCU
Troy
USA
ULM
UTA (no fb)
UALR (no fb)

You’ve got a lot of FCS schools in the Deep South to pick from to restock.

Amazed that some continue to view CUSA being superior to the SB. App isn't leaving the SB for CUSA and it's doubtful GA So or GA St would either. The more likely situation would be the SB making a play for Charlotte, Marshall, ODU and USM which would make for a heck of a conference.

Sun Belt has done very well recently in football while CUSA has slipped. However when viewed through all athletics and not just football, CUSA is the better conference. The name recognition and academics of schools in CUSA are better too. The question of moving from the Sun Belt to CUSA is if the separation is big enough to warrant such a gamble. App State is doing fine in the belt and maybe they see the step up to CUSA as not being enough and a gamble. Basically, it doesn't seem to be THAT much greener on the other side, why make the change. There's an argument to be made there that I understand. But overall CUSA is the better athletic conference.

Again, we don't see CUSA as a step up.

Your school president might disagree with you. You know realignment is more than football, right?

Yup.... It's also about financial security and we're far better off in the SB than CUSA.
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(07-12-2021 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think if Houston ever gets the golden ticket, Rice is in the AAC. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane will want an institution similar to them. Navy will want a game in Texas every year, and it's hard for them to pass on a game in the Houston area. ...

It does depend on how many the AAC lose, since it they lose one, they can stick to 10, but if the AAC loses two or three, it would not be surprising at all if Rice gets an invite ... especially as SMU, Tulsa and Tulane are likely to still be around as schools voting on the invites.


Why would we vote for Rice? Other than they are a private, they have shown zero inclinations to support Athletics
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(07-13-2021 08:19 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 03:08 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 02:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:20 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Amazed that some continue to view CUSA being superior to the SB. App isn't leaving the SB for CUSA and it's doubtful GA So or GA St would either. The more likely situation would be the SB making a play for Charlotte, Marshall, ODU and USM which would make for a heck of a conference.

Sun Belt has done very well recently in football while CUSA has slipped. However when viewed through all athletics and not just football, CUSA is the better conference. The name recognition and academics of schools in CUSA are better too. The question of moving from the Sun Belt to CUSA is if the separation is big enough to warrant such a gamble. App State is doing fine in the belt and maybe they see the step up to CUSA as not being enough and a gamble. Basically, it doesn't seem to be THAT much greener on the other side, why make the change. There's an argument to be made there that I understand. But overall CUSA is the better athletic conference.

Again, we don't see CUSA as a step up.

Your school president might disagree with you. You know realignment is more than football, right?

Yup.... It's also about financial security and we're far better off in the SB than CUSA.

No, you’re not.

C-USA has bigger budgets, schools ranked higher academically, better facilities, more home and home games against P5 schools (and P6 in basketball), a core of basketball schools with multiple NCAAs, it’s a better baseball league and the Olympic sports are better too (Marshall just won the men’s soccer national championship). Those are things school presidents consider when it comes to realignment not just “we’ve been better in football in two of the last 20 seasons so we’ll stay where we are”.

Personally, I’m against adding more schools regardless if they’re FBS or FCS or even worse, swap schools with the Sun Belt. C-USA needs to focus on what they have. The potential is there but sadly mediocrity has been the standard since the 2.0 days.
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(07-13-2021 08:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think if Houston ever gets the golden ticket, Rice is in the AAC. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane will want an institution similar to them. Navy will want a game in Texas every year, and it's hard for them to pass on a game in the Houston area. ...

It does depend on how many the AAC lose, since it they lose one, they can stick to 10, but if the AAC loses two or three, it would not be surprising at all if Rice gets an invite ... especially as SMU, Tulsa and Tulane are likely to still be around as schools voting on the invites.


Why would we vote for Rice? Other than they are a private, they have shown zero inclinations to support Athletics

What other options do you have then? Academics matter to school presidents and Rice is an elite institution that’s very attractive to Tulane, Tulsa, SMU and Navy. There’s UAB with its medical school, new stadium and arena renovation but other than those two, you don’t have that many options. Probably the AAC would want to keep a presence in Houston even though Rice delivers just a small portion of it.
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(07-13-2021 10:57 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 08:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think if Houston ever gets the golden ticket, Rice is in the AAC. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane will want an institution similar to them. Navy will want a game in Texas every year, and it's hard for them to pass on a game in the Houston area. ...

It does depend on how many the AAC lose, since it they lose one, they can stick to 10, but if the AAC loses two or three, it would not be surprising at all if Rice gets an invite ... especially as SMU, Tulsa and Tulane are likely to still be around as schools voting on the invites.


Why would we vote for Rice? Other than they are a private, they have shown zero inclinations to support Athletics

What other options do you have then? Academics matter to school presidents and Rice is an elite institution that’s very attractive to Tulane, Tulsa, SMU and Navy. There’s UAB with its medical school, new stadium and arena renovation but other than those two, you don’t have that many options. Probably the AAC would want to keep a presence in Houston even though Rice delivers just a small portion of it.

What other option would they have? Ten is really not a bad number. My guess is standing pat at 10 would be the preferred option unless BYU, Boise, or Army expressed interest.
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(07-13-2021 08:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-11-2021 09:59 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think if Houston ever gets the golden ticket, Rice is in the AAC. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane will want an institution similar to them. Navy will want a game in Texas every year, and it's hard for them to pass on a game in the Houston area. ...

It does depend on how many the AAC lose, since it they lose one, they can stick to 10, but if the AAC loses two or three, it would not be surprising at all if Rice gets an invite ... especially as SMU, Tulsa and Tulane are likely to still be around as schools voting on the invites.

Why would we vote for Rice? Other than they are a private, they have shown zero inclinations to support Athletics

As I said, at 10, the AAC could well decide to stand Pat.

But at 9 I think the AAC would want a tenth. There's no slam dunk, or else they would have filled the current empty spot ... but who would you set as a clear favorite over Rice?
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