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(07-13-2021 10:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 05:29 PM)bluetiger89 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 04:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I bet he shoots better than 50% FT's, which is what the team did.

In one of the games, Boogie-Baugh-Jayden combined for 8 pts, 4 asst, 1 stl, and 1 FT in 57 minutes.

Obviously not a great game. Try Boogie’s last game. 23pts 4reb 5asst. Oh, he shot 77% from the line. All in 32 minutes.

I wasn't clear on the game. That was one of the 2 Houston losses that you brought up as playing better without Lomax.

So with those horrible stats, we lost on a last second shot from half court. So while Boogie and Baugh didn’t play well, the team obviously did.
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RE: Starting Lineup (before any more possible additions)
(07-13-2021 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 05:29 PM)bluetiger89 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 04:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I bet he shoots better than 50% FT's, which is what the team did.

In one of the games, Boogie-Baugh-Jayden combined for 8 pts, 4 asst, 1 stl, and 1 FT in 57 minutes.

Obviously not a great game. Try Boogie’s last game. 23pts 4reb 5asst. Oh, he shot 77% from the line. All in 32 minutes.

And I'm not disparaging Boogie. At all. Boogie helped us win games. Thing is, Lomax did too. We turned the corner when Boogie regained his confidence starting, and Lomax was the spark off the bench. Right before Lomax got hurt. At that time, Jayden and Baugh did not have to play point. We had 2 guys for all the minutes.

I would like to see a high level guy starting at PG with Lomax again serving the super-sub role. But if that doesn't happen, Lomax is still capable of leading a group of high potential scorers - which we should have with Nolley, Earl, and Deandre (not to mention Minott and Duren).

We’re in agreement. As I stated, I think Lomax is a 12-15 minute backup PG. if he’s forced to play a bigger role, I believe that takes away from his game. Just think his size and lack of being an offensive threat is really exposed against top level talent.
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RE: Starting Lineup (before any more possible additions)
G: Alo
G: Lester
G: Nolley
F: Timberlake
F: Williams


This, unless Timberlake is still recovering. that lineup has 3 guys who can get buckets and Q who is can score if he's ignored. you don't need a point to do much except distribute the ball. MAYBE you can move Lester to the point and start a bigger player, and if so you would have the benefit of bringing in Alo to steady the freshmen..

Chandler and Minot will all probably play a lot, Jayden, Harris and Malcom 10 minutes or so.. the other freshman are question marks - and Duren changes everything
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(07-12-2021 07:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Lomax is a good player... Not a difference maker but folks a whole on last year's team.

We likely win the first Houston game with Lomax. But if Lomax is stealing any minutes from boogie in the second Houston game we definitely lose that one... Probably by more points

We would beat Houston twice by giving Lomax all of Baugh's 42 minutes, the 4 points, 1 assist, and especially the 2 seconds where he doesn't foul, and allows the buzzer beater.
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(07-13-2021 10:38 AM)bluetiger89 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 10:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 05:29 PM)bluetiger89 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 04:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I bet he shoots better than 50% FT's, which is what the team did.

In one of the games, Boogie-Baugh-Jayden combined for 8 pts, 4 asst, 1 stl, and 1 FT in 57 minutes.

Obviously not a great game. Try Boogie’s last game. 23pts 4reb 5asst. Oh, he shot 77% from the line. All in 32 minutes.

I wasn't clear on the game. That was one of the 2 Houston losses that you brought up as playing better without Lomax.

So with those horrible stats, we lost on a last second shot from half court. So while Boogie and Baugh didn’t play well, the team obviously did.

You seem a little bit confused. Lomax isn't an offensive threat and we are a better team without him, even though he scored 9 points per game and 5 assists in the 8 games before he got injured.

BUT...we are (apparently) a better team with Baugh who averaged less of everything; who scored a grand total of 4 points with 1 assist against Houston in 42 minutes. Makes sense.
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(07-13-2021 10:57 AM)Oman Wrote:  G: Alo
G: Lester
G: Nolley
F: Timberlake
F: Williams


This, unless Timberlake is still recovering. that lineup has 3 guys who can get buckets and Q who is can score if he's ignored. you don't need a point to do much except distribute the ball. MAYBE you can move Lester to the point and start a bigger player, and if so you would have the benefit of bringing in Alo to steady the freshmen..

Chandler and Minot will all probably play a lot, Jayden, Harris and Malcom 10 minutes or so.. the other freshman are question marks - and Duren changes everything

Against good teams we will get abused by playing undersized at both the 4 and 5. Williams will always be in foul trouble and I can't see Timberlake guarding the post or scoring against a prototypical power forward for extended minutes. You are talking 55 minutes at the 4-5; I don't see it.

We will need at least 30 minutes per game out of Dandridge and Sam.
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My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge
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(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

I would think that this is our best lineup, with Timberlake getting 20 plus minutes if he is healthy. I hope Minott is good for 15 minutes or so.
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(07-13-2021 10:38 AM)bluetiger89 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 10:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 05:29 PM)bluetiger89 Wrote:  
(07-12-2021 04:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I bet he shoots better than 50% FT's, which is what the team did.

In one of the games, Boogie-Baugh-Jayden combined for 8 pts, 4 asst, 1 stl, and 1 FT in 57 minutes.

Obviously not a great game. Try Boogie’s last game. 23pts 4reb 5asst. Oh, he shot 77% from the line. All in 32 minutes.

I wasn't clear on the game. That was one of the 2 Houston losses that you brought up as playing better without Lomax.

So with those horrible stats, we lost on a last second shot from half court. So while Boogie and Baugh didn’t play well, the team obviously did.

Eh? You seem to now be indicating that not just the PG role, but the entire team is better without Lomax. That's a stretch to make a point.

With Lomax in that game, we likely win. We win that game, we are in the NCAA tourney. How is the team better without any Lomax?
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RE: Starting Lineup (before any more possible additions)
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.
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RE: Starting Lineup (before any more possible additions)
(07-13-2021 12:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

I would think that this is our best lineup, with Timberlake getting 20 plus minutes if he is healthy. I hope Minott is good for 15 minutes or so.

I like that starting lineup but would have Chandler Lawson starting at the 5 (not ideal as he is more of a 4 but we need DW at the 4) and playing a few more minutes than Dandridge (who should see his role hugely elevated this season). I see Timberlake as a strong sixth man getting as many minutes as anybody else. Minott could be the seventh/eighth man with Malcolm D.

So that's a strong eight-man rotation of note (NCAA tourney-level good).

As to the ninth man ... hard to say.
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RE: Starting Lineup (before any more possible additions)
(07-13-2021 12:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.

YEP---and just like --White--Gunner
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RE: Starting Lineup (before any more possible additions)
(07-13-2021 12:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.

Nolley was not injured before he transferred like Timberlake was. If he becomes better than Lester then fine (he can replace Lester, but at the end of the year, I thought Lester was our best player) but we still need a PG (Alo) to run the show and two legit bigs most of the time. Chandler can fill in at the 5 at times but I hope for not too many minutes. I just don't see Timberlake playing a lot of minutes at the 4. Then you can add in minutes for Minot at the 3 and maybe a few at the 4. Would be nice if he could initiate the offense but I wouldn't expect that early in the season. Then he could have some of Alo's minutes.
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(07-13-2021 01:24 PM)Irse Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.

Nolley was not injured before he transferred like Timberlake was. If he becomes better than Lester then fine (he can replace Lester, but at the end of the year, I thought Lester was our best player) but we still need a PG (Alo) to run the show and two legit bigs most of the time. Chandler can fill in at the 5 at times but I hope for not too many minutes. I just don't see Timberlake playing a lot of minutes at the 4. Then you can add in minutes for Minot at the 3 and maybe a few at the 4. Would be nice if he could initiate the offense but I wouldn't expect that early in the season. Then he could have some of Alo's minutes.

Lester is the glue. Would be surprised if he doesn't start.
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(07-13-2021 12:47 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

I would think that this is our best lineup, with Timberlake getting 20 plus minutes if he is healthy. I hope Minott is good for 15 minutes or so.

I like that starting lineup but would have Chandler Lawson starting at the 5 (not ideal as he is more of a 4 but we need DW at the 4) and playing a few more minutes than Dandridge (who should see his role hugely elevated this season). I see Timberlake as a strong sixth man getting as many minutes as anybody else. Minott could be the seventh/eighth man with Malcolm D.

So that's a strong eight-man rotation of note (NCAA tourney-level good).

As to the ninth man ... hard to say.

Chandler might change into a completely different player, but I don't think that is likely, given that he already has two years under his belt. I've watched a few of his games and I honestly can't see anything that makes me think that he can be an adequate D1 center. He's not big enough, he's not strong enough, he's not a good enough rebounder. He doesn't have a single skill that you need from an average D1 center.
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(07-13-2021 01:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:47 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

I would think that this is our best lineup, with Timberlake getting 20 plus minutes if he is healthy. I hope Minott is good for 15 minutes or so.

I like that starting lineup but would have Chandler Lawson starting at the 5 (not ideal as he is more of a 4 but we need DW at the 4) and playing a few more minutes than Dandridge (who should see his role hugely elevated this season). I see Timberlake as a strong sixth man getting as many minutes as anybody else. Minott could be the seventh/eighth man with Malcolm D.

So that's a strong eight-man rotation of note (NCAA tourney-level good).

As to the ninth man ... hard to say.

Chandler might change into a completely different player, but I don't think that is likely, given that he already has two years under his belt. I've watched a few of his games and I honestly can't see anything that makes me think that he can be an adequate D1 center. He's not big enough, he's not strong enough, he's not a good enough rebounder. He doesn't have a single skill that you need from an average D1 center.

Unless, his knees get dramatically better this year and he returns to his senior year of high school form, I don't see Malcolm's role increasing significantly over last year.
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(07-13-2021 01:24 PM)Irse Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.

Nolley was not injured before he transferred like Timberlake was. If he becomes better than Lester then fine (he can replace Lester, but at the end of the year, I thought Lester was our best player) but we still need a PG (Alo) to run the show and two legit bigs most of the time. Chandler can fill in at the 5 at times but I hope for not too many minutes. I just don't see Timberlake playing a lot of minutes at the 4. Then you can add in minutes for Minot at the 3 and maybe a few at the 4. Would be nice if he could initiate the offense but I wouldn't expect that early in the season. Then he could have some of Alo's minutes.

If Williams is playing 30 minutes, 25 of them need to be at the 4. If they aren't, we are not great at the 4 and not great at the 5. I think a lot of our fans get infatuated with the idea of plugging players into positions without thinking about what they have to actually do at those positions.

Williams can play the 5, but we need him at the 4. Timberlake at the 4 and Lawson at the 5; are purely situational players that you play there for a couple of minutes here and there; only when your opponent is a certain type of player. They either have to be completely useless offensively, or undersized the same as Timberlake and Lawson would be.
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RE: Starting Lineup (before any more possible additions)
(07-13-2021 01:24 PM)Irse Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.

Nolley was not injured before he transferred like Timberlake was. If he becomes better than Lester then fine (he can replace Lester, but at the end of the year, I thought Lester was our best player) but we still need a PG (Alo) to run the show and two legit bigs most of the time. Chandler can fill in at the 5 at times but I hope for not too many minutes. I just don't see Timberlake playing a lot of minutes at the 4. Then you can add in minutes for Minot at the 3 and maybe a few at the 4. Would be nice if he could initiate the offense but I wouldn't expect that early in the season. Then he could have some of Alo's minutes.

I think the assumption has to be that Timberlake is healthy. If so, what's your lineup?

To me, 4 guys have to start: LQ, Earl, Landers, Deandre. Then you either plug-in a 1 or a 5 - take your pick.

I suspect LQ is working hard on PG skills this summer.
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(07-13-2021 01:58 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 01:24 PM)Irse Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.

Nolley was not injured before he transferred like Timberlake was. If he becomes better than Lester then fine (he can replace Lester, but at the end of the year, I thought Lester was our best player) but we still need a PG (Alo) to run the show and two legit bigs most of the time. Chandler can fill in at the 5 at times but I hope for not too many minutes. I just don't see Timberlake playing a lot of minutes at the 4. Then you can add in minutes for Minot at the 3 and maybe a few at the 4. Would be nice if he could initiate the offense but I wouldn't expect that early in the season. Then he could have some of Alo's minutes.

If Williams is playing 30 minutes, 25 of them need to be at the 4. If they aren't, we are not great at the 4 and not great at the 5. I think a lot of our fans get infatuated with the idea of plugging players into positions without thinking about what they have to actually do at those positions.

Williams can play the 5, but we need him at the 4. Timberlake at the 4 and Lawson at the 5; are purely situational players that you play there for a couple of minutes here and there; only when your opponent is a certain type of player. They either have to be completely useless offensively, or undersized the same as Timberlake and Lawson would be.

I agree. Williams has to basically play the 4. 5 if only for a few minutes per game. Would be nice if Sam can give us 10-15 min per game.
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(07-13-2021 02:08 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 01:24 PM)Irse Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-13-2021 12:14 PM)Irse Wrote:  My more traditional lineup
Alo
Quinones
Nolley
Williams
Dandridge

Just like I said last year about Nolley - Timberlake is not transferring to Memphis to come off the bench.

And, we are not so deep that we can afford a potential NBA 1st rounder to come off the bench.

Nolley was not injured before he transferred like Timberlake was. If he becomes better than Lester then fine (he can replace Lester, but at the end of the year, I thought Lester was our best player) but we still need a PG (Alo) to run the show and two legit bigs most of the time. Chandler can fill in at the 5 at times but I hope for not too many minutes. I just don't see Timberlake playing a lot of minutes at the 4. Then you can add in minutes for Minot at the 3 and maybe a few at the 4. Would be nice if he could initiate the offense but I wouldn't expect that early in the season. Then he could have some of Alo's minutes.

I think the assumption has to be that Timberlake is healthy. If so, what's your lineup?

To me, 4 guys have to start: LQ, Earl, Landers, Deandre. Then you either plug-in a 1 or a 5 - take your pick.

I suspect LQ is working hard on PG skills this summer.

The same. I don't think DJ or Boogie expected to come off the bench either, but they did. I think ET comes off the bench unless someone else falters. His hs ranking doesn't mean much to me. Got to prove it on the floor. LQ and LN have, ET has not, yet.
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