Y'all don't understand. Most games, the bench will get more minutes than the starters. When you're up by 24, bench gets minutes.

Starters ... Bates, Duren, and the core.(Williams, Nolley and LQ)
Timberlake and Lomax ... fob. That's my picks ... for now.

I agree - at least for now. Will be interesting to see, if Bates at the 1, is more productive overall versus his "normal" position as a 3. Fairly clear though, based on interviews, he will see time at the point. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around moving the best high school scorer since Lebron (as some "experts" have said) out of his normal position. But, I'm a horrible Bball coach - LOL.

If Timberlake gets back to pre-injury form - the rotation and the 2/3 will be pressure-packed.

Good problems tho!

(08-25-2021 11:29 PM)steves Wrote:  Starters ... Bates, Duren, and the core.(Williams, Nolley and LQ)
Timberlake and Lomax ... fob. That's my picks ... for now.

The staff recruited Bates as the primary ball handler but they've also hinted it's gonna be PG by committee. I don't know how it's all gonna work but I'll leave it up to them. I could see Bates, Duren, LQ, Williams, Nolley starting. I could see Nolley coming off the bench. It's a fun problem to have. I can't wait.

(08-26-2021 07:14 AM)fourseamer Wrote:  I agree - at least for now. Will be interesting to see, if Bates at the 1, is more productive overall versus his "normal" position as a 3. Fairly clear though, based on interviews, he will see time at the point. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around moving the best high school scorer since Lebron (as some "experts" have said) out of his normal position. But, I'm a horrible Bball coach - LOL.

If Timberlake gets back to pre-injury form - the rotation and the 2/3 will be pressure-packed.

Good problems tho!

(08-25-2021 11:29 PM)steves Wrote:  Starters ... Bates, Duren, and the core.(Williams, Nolley and LQ)
Timberlake and Lomax ... fob. That's my picks ... for now.

I don't know if he can guard a PG on defense so you may be right there.

But on offense there aren't any true "Natural Positions" any more...The coach should put his players in positions to be successful. With Emoni Bates that is likely with the ball in his hands.

Will be interesting to see how Penny distributes minutes...He tends to give the bench early minutes when he felt the other team was overmatched.

(08-26-2021 08:52 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 07:14 AM)fourseamer Wrote:  I agree - at least for now. Will be interesting to see, if Bates at the 1, is more productive overall versus his "normal" position as a 3. Fairly clear though, based on interviews, he will see time at the point. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around moving the best high school scorer since Lebron (as some "experts" have said) out of his normal position. But, I'm a horrible Bball coach - LOL.

If Timberlake gets back to pre-injury form - the rotation and the 2/3 will be pressure-packed.

Good problems tho!

Not much dropoff when you go to the bench this season. Cocked, locked, and ready to rock.

(08-25-2021 11:29 PM)steves Wrote:  Starters ... Bates, Duren, and the core.(Williams, Nolley and LQ)
Timberlake and Lomax ... fob. That's my picks ... for now.

I don't know if he can guard a PG on defense so you may be right there.

But on offense there aren't any true "Natural Positions" any more...The coach should put his players in positions to be successful. With Emoni Bates that is likely with the ball in his hands.

Will be interesting to see how Penny distributes minutes...He tends to give the bench early minutes when he felt the other team was overmatched.

I like Lomax. But I don't know if I believe, like stammers, that we would've beaten Houston twice with him.

(08-26-2021 08:59 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I like Lomax. But I don't know if I believe, like stammers, that we would've beaten Houston twice with him.

I think we would have beaten them once...

The second game any minute Lomax took away from Boogie would have been a negative.

(08-26-2021 08:59 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I like Lomax. But I don't know if I believe, like stammers, that we would've beaten Houston twice with him.

Baugh
42 minutes
4 points
1 assist
1 turnover
0 steals
2-6 field goals
0-1 3 point
0-0 free throws

(08-26-2021 09:35 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 08:59 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I like Lomax. But I don't know if I believe, like stammers, that we would've beaten Houston twice with him.

I think we would have beaten them once...

The second game any minute Lomax took away from Boogie would have been a negative.

Baugh
21 minutes
4 points
1 assist
1 turnover
0 steals
5 rebounds
2-4 field goals
0-1 three point

Lomax would have helped Boogie, and everyone else, by getting the ball to them.

For anyone who still thinks Baugh didn't get a chance, and would have been great if he had more minutes, blah blah blah...

This is what he did after Lomax got injured.

9 Games
22.1 Minutes
2.7 Points
2 Assists
1 Turnover
0.7 Steals
35.7% Field goal
0% Three point (0-4)
66.7% Free throws (4-6)

(08-26-2021 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 08:59 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I like Lomax. But I don't know if I believe, like stammers, that we would've beaten Houston twice with him.

Baugh
42 minutes
4 points
1 assist
1 turnover
0 steals
2-6 field goals
0-1 3 point
0-0 free throws

He underperformed so much. Tough for him. Oh well. We'll never really know. At least both games were competitive. That Grimes kid was the real deal against us.

(08-26-2021 01:59 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 08:59 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I like Lomax. But I don't know if I believe, like stammers, that we would've beaten Houston twice with him.

Baugh
42 minutes
4 points
1 assist
1 turnover
0 steals
2-6 field goals
0-1 3 point
0-0 free throws

He underperformed so much. Tough for him. Oh well. We'll never really know. At least both games were competitive. That Grimes kid was the real deal against us.

He played great defense and rebounded well, no doubt about that, but he was a complete liability offensively. Houston didn't have to guard him. He also jumped out of the Houston player's way on the buzzer beater.

I hate to say this out loud, but is there a chance anyone transfers out at this late date? I know these guys have all said they are buying into Penny's concept of team - it doesn't matter who starts, we are all gonna minutes. But when you're asked to go to the bench, and your people start whispering...

I don't believe they would be eligible if they have already attended classes or fall workouts - which they most certainly have. So probably not. There is a risk of losing someone at Christmas though, I'm guessing.

But who we WON'T lose is Bates, Duren, Williams, LQ, A-lo, at least one of Earl/Nolley, both Lawsons. That's still good enough for a deep NCAA run.

Who will backup Williams at the 4 position? If he starts, which he most definitely will, he seems to rack up fouls with all his energy, so who do you think will come in for him?

(08-26-2021 03:27 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  Who will backup Williams at the 4 position? If he starts, which he most definitely will, he seems to rack up fouls with all his energy, so who do you think will come in for him?

I would guess Chandler would have the opportunity.

By many accounts, Josh Minott looked VERY impressive in the basketball classic that was held here in May, so he should get some work.

Also, if Duren is as forceful of a 5 as has been described, Memphis could easily run Timberlake at the 4 with Les, Landers, and Bates on the floor.

Heck, even Williams at the 5.

That team would still go 6'8, 6'5, 6'7, 6'6, and 6'9. With all five capable of shooting threes.

Crazy.

(08-26-2021 02:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I hate to say this out loud, but is there a chance anyone transfers out at this late date? I know these guys have all said they are buying into Penny's concept of team - it doesn't matter who starts, we are all gonna minutes. But when you're asked to go to the bench, and your people start whispering...

I don't believe they would be eligible if they have already attended classes or fall workouts - which they most certainly have. So probably not. There is a risk of losing someone at Christmas though, I'm guessing.

But who we WON'T lose is Bates, Duren, Williams, LQ, A-lo, at least one of Earl/Nolley, both Lawsons. That's still good enough for a deep NCAA run.

Maybe one or more of the freshmen will redshirt (not Duren or Bates, obviously).

Having so many older players reduces the fear of these reclassified freshmen

They are so young

Dedric did really well a year younger but it seemed to hurt Cisse. I think Cisse will be so much better this year. But neither of these kids will be relied on and that should free them to just play and five star talent can usually really play

(08-26-2021 05:11 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Having so many older players reduces the fear of these reclassified freshmen

They are so young

Dedric did really well a year younger but it seemed to hurt Cisse. I think Cisse will be so much better this year. But neither of these kids will be relied on and that should free them to just play and five star talent can usually really play

Hopefully we won’t need to rely on Cisse much this year. ;-)

(08-26-2021 05:12 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 05:11 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Having so many older players reduces the fear of these reclassified freshmen

They are so young

Dedric did really well a year younger but it seemed to hurt Cisse. I think Cisse will be so much better this year. But neither of these kids will be relied on and that should free them to just play and five star talent can usually really play

Hopefully we won’t need to rely on Cisse much this year. ;-)

Because he is actual freshmen age he will likely be much better at OK State or wherever he went. Wouldn’t have minded a year older Cisse is the point. I suspect Duren will be more like Lawson was