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RE: Tip off dinner announced
(07-07-2021 05:02 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  
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(07-07-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  NC state announced Siddle March 28 2017
https://gopack.com/news/2017/3/28/mens-b...coach.aspx

UNCW interviewed McGrath around March 28 2017
https://www.wect.com/story/35015637/uncs...-position/

UNCW announced McGrath April 3 2017
https://www.wect.com/story/35055661/uncw...h-mcgrath/

This leads me to believe that Siddle didn't want to go through the interview process for whatever reason...Keatts may have given Siddle an ultimatum about joining him or trying for the UNCW job. It makes ZERO sense that UNCW would refuse to interview the top referral of the winningest coach they had in a decade


May have decided he wasn't quite ready for the top job. And the pay at NCSU was pretty much what he would have made at UNCW.

This is a very good synopsis. Can't 100% agree he decided he wasn't ready, but think it was more like screw it, I can make the same money for a few years and not have ALL the headaches as a HC, get P5 assistant on my resume and most likely get another shot at the position in a few years....Several of us knew CB wasn't the answer here from day one.

Reading between the tea leaves, the MOST logical conclusion is Siddle wanted the job. Keatts wanted it for him as well. But Siddle was told by Bass that he was not in consideration for the job and should pursue opportunities elsewhere. Likely due to inexperience (his hiring press release at UNCW alludes to such). Hence Siddle immediately being hired at State.

Whether that was truly Bass’s decision is unknown…..And thus McGrath’s hiring.

Reading between the tea leaves after McGrath was dismissed and before Siddle was hired, Siddle was the one and only option. Likely due to familiarity/style of winning and most importantly affordability due to being on the hook with McGrath’s contract.

With that being said I like the Siddle hire and that the upside way outweighs the negative of a young inexperienced coach. There is something about Siddle’s coaching that I loved watching during timeouts this past season. He is the real deal.
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RE: Tip off dinner announced
(07-07-2021 08:06 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 05:02 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 04:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  NC state announced Siddle March 28 2017
https://gopack.com/news/2017/3/28/mens-b...coach.aspx

UNCW interviewed McGrath around March 28 2017
https://www.wect.com/story/35015637/uncs...-position/

UNCW announced McGrath April 3 2017
https://www.wect.com/story/35055661/uncw...h-mcgrath/

This leads me to believe that Siddle didn't want to go through the interview process for whatever reason...Keatts may have given Siddle an ultimatum about joining him or trying for the UNCW job. It makes ZERO sense that UNCW would refuse to interview the top referral of the winningest coach they had in a decade


May have decided he wasn't quite ready for the top job. And the pay at NCSU was pretty much what he would have made at UNCW.

This is a very good synopsis. Can't 100% agree he decided he wasn't ready, but think it was more like screw it, I can make the same money for a few years and not have ALL the headaches as a HC, get P5 assistant on my resume and most likely get another shot at the position in a few years....Several of us knew CB wasn't the answer here from day one.

Reading between the tea leaves, the MOST logical conclusion is Siddle wanted the job. Keatts wanted it for him as well. But Siddle was told by Bass that he was not in consideration for the job and should pursue opportunities elsewhere. Likely due to inexperience (his hiring press release at UNCW alludes to such). Hence Siddle immediately being hired at State.

Whether that was truly Bass’s decision is unknown…..And thus McGrath’s hiring.

Reading between the tea leaves after McGrath was dismissed and before Siddle was hired, Siddle was the one and only option. Likely due to familiarity/style of winning and most importantly affordability due to being on the hook with McGrath’s contract.

With that being said I like the Siddle hire and that the upside way outweighs the negative of a young inexperienced coach. There is something about Siddle’s coaching that I loved watching during timeouts this past season. He is the real deal.

The inexperience angle never made sense to me. McGrath didn't have any experience as a HC either.

Unless McGrath was a backup choice after Dooley declined and it was too late to get Siddle.

That's the only thing that makes sense besides a booster having a UNC hardon
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RE: Tip off dinner announced
(07-07-2021 08:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 08:06 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 05:02 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 04:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  NC state announced Siddle March 28 2017
https://gopack.com/news/2017/3/28/mens-b...coach.aspx

UNCW interviewed McGrath around March 28 2017
https://www.wect.com/story/35015637/uncs...-position/

UNCW announced McGrath April 3 2017
https://www.wect.com/story/35055661/uncw...h-mcgrath/

This leads me to believe that Siddle didn't want to go through the interview process for whatever reason...Keatts may have given Siddle an ultimatum about joining him or trying for the UNCW job. It makes ZERO sense that UNCW would refuse to interview the top referral of the winningest coach they had in a decade


May have decided he wasn't quite ready for the top job. And the pay at NCSU was pretty much what he would have made at UNCW.

This is a very good synopsis. Can't 100% agree he decided he wasn't ready, but think it was more like screw it, I can make the same money for a few years and not have ALL the headaches as a HC, get P5 assistant on my resume and most likely get another shot at the position in a few years....Several of us knew CB wasn't the answer here from day one.

Reading between the tea leaves, the MOST logical conclusion is Siddle wanted the job. Keatts wanted it for him as well. But Siddle was told by Bass that he was not in consideration for the job and should pursue opportunities elsewhere. Likely due to inexperience (his hiring press release at UNCW alludes to such). Hence Siddle immediately being hired at State.

Whether that was truly Bass’s decision is unknown…..And thus McGrath’s hiring.

Reading between the tea leaves after McGrath was dismissed and before Siddle was hired, Siddle was the one and only option. Likely due to familiarity/style of winning and most importantly affordability due to being on the hook with McGrath’s contract.

With that being said I like the Siddle hire and that the upside way outweighs the negative of a young inexperienced coach. There is something about Siddle’s coaching that I loved watching during timeouts this past season. He is the real deal.

The inexperience angle never made sense to me. McGrath didn't have any experience as a HC either.

Unless McGrath was a backup choice after Dooley declined and it was too late to get Siddle.

That's the only thing that makes sense besides a booster having a UNC hardon

1. Ding- Dooley used our interview and offer to get a raise at FGCU!
2. Ding- A name everyone knows got an assistant at Arizona an interview and probably turned us down also.
3. Ding- Someone highly influential with UNC ties pushed McGrath
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(07-07-2021 09:43 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  3. Ding- Someone highly influential with UNC ties pushed McGrath

Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

Chapel Hill is arguably the blueist of the basketball blue bloods, and their success is undeniable. But whatever it is that that they do or think should be done doesn't seem to work well when they can't recruit the blueist of blue chip players and execute it in other than blueist and blue chip environments.
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(07-07-2021 09:43 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 08:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 08:06 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 05:02 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 04:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  May have decided he wasn't quite ready for the top job. And the pay at NCSU was pretty much what he would have made at UNCW.

This is a very good synopsis. Can't 100% agree he decided he wasn't ready, but think it was more like screw it, I can make the same money for a few years and not have ALL the headaches as a HC, get P5 assistant on my resume and most likely get another shot at the position in a few years....Several of us knew CB wasn't the answer here from day one.

Reading between the tea leaves, the MOST logical conclusion is Siddle wanted the job. Keatts wanted it for him as well. But Siddle was told by Bass that he was not in consideration for the job and should pursue opportunities elsewhere. Likely due to inexperience (his hiring press release at UNCW alludes to such). Hence Siddle immediately being hired at State.

Whether that was truly Bass’s decision is unknown…..And thus McGrath’s hiring.

Reading between the tea leaves after McGrath was dismissed and before Siddle was hired, Siddle was the one and only option. Likely due to familiarity/style of winning and most importantly affordability due to being on the hook with McGrath’s contract.

With that being said I like the Siddle hire and that the upside way outweighs the negative of a young inexperienced coach. There is something about Siddle’s coaching that I loved watching during timeouts this past season. He is the real deal.

The inexperience angle never made sense to me. McGrath didn't have any experience as a HC either.

Unless McGrath was a backup choice after Dooley declined and it was too late to get Siddle.

That's the only thing that makes sense besides a booster having a UNC hardon

1. Ding- Dooley used our interview and offer to get a raise at FGCU!
2. Ding- A name everyone knows got an assistant at Arizona an interview and probably turned us down also.
3. Ding- Someone highly influential with UNC ties pushed McGrath

Looking at it objectively, my conclusion is that Bass (the guy making the decision) felt incredibly confident that Dooley and/or another experienced head coach would take the job and got burned.
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(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 09:43 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  3. Ding- Someone highly influential with UNC ties pushed McGrath

Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

Chapel Hill is arguably the blueist of the basketball blue bloods, and their success is undeniable. But whatever it is that that they do or think should be done doesn't seem to work well when they can't recruit the blueist of blue chip players and execute it in other than blueist and blue chip environments.

Lebo and Scott Cherry had moderate success at TTU/Chattanooga & HPU. Peterson's first stop at App was probably equally impressive to what Miller did at UNCG. No one has been brilliant, but Jerod Haase has probably been the most successful coach (aside from Miller) the past 15 years.
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RE: Tip off dinner announced
(07-08-2021 06:40 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 09:43 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 08:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 08:06 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 05:02 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  This is a very good synopsis. Can't 100% agree he decided he wasn't ready, but think it was more like screw it, I can make the same money for a few years and not have ALL the headaches as a HC, get P5 assistant on my resume and most likely get another shot at the position in a few years....Several of us knew CB wasn't the answer here from day one.

Reading between the tea leaves, the MOST logical conclusion is Siddle wanted the job. Keatts wanted it for him as well. But Siddle was told by Bass that he was not in consideration for the job and should pursue opportunities elsewhere. Likely due to inexperience (his hiring press release at UNCW alludes to such). Hence Siddle immediately being hired at State.

Whether that was truly Bass’s decision is unknown…..And thus McGrath’s hiring.

Reading between the tea leaves after McGrath was dismissed and before Siddle was hired, Siddle was the one and only option. Likely due to familiarity/style of winning and most importantly affordability due to being on the hook with McGrath’s contract.

With that being said I like the Siddle hire and that the upside way outweighs the negative of a young inexperienced coach. There is something about Siddle’s coaching that I loved watching during timeouts this past season. He is the real deal.

The inexperience angle never made sense to me. McGrath didn't have any experience as a HC either.

Unless McGrath was a backup choice after Dooley declined and it was too late to get Siddle.

That's the only thing that makes sense besides a booster having a UNC hardon

1. Ding- Dooley used our interview and offer to get a raise at FGCU!
2. Ding- A name everyone knows got an assistant at Arizona an interview and probably turned us down also.
3. Ding- Someone highly influential with UNC ties pushed McGrath

Looking at it objectively, my conclusion is that Bass (the guy making the decision) felt incredibly confident that Dooley and/or another experienced head coach would take the job and got burned.
That's the same conclusion i came too as well.04-cheers
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(07-08-2021 08:51 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 06:40 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 09:43 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 08:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-07-2021 08:06 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Reading between the tea leaves, the MOST logical conclusion is Siddle wanted the job. Keatts wanted it for him as well. But Siddle was told by Bass that he was not in consideration for the job and should pursue opportunities elsewhere. Likely due to inexperience (his hiring press release at UNCW alludes to such). Hence Siddle immediately being hired at State.

Whether that was truly Bass’s decision is unknown…..And thus McGrath’s hiring.

Reading between the tea leaves after McGrath was dismissed and before Siddle was hired, Siddle was the one and only option. Likely due to familiarity/style of winning and most importantly affordability due to being on the hook with McGrath’s contract.

With that being said I like the Siddle hire and that the upside way outweighs the negative of a young inexperienced coach. There is something about Siddle’s coaching that I loved watching during timeouts this past season. He is the real deal.

The inexperience angle never made sense to me. McGrath didn't have any experience as a HC either.

Unless McGrath was a backup choice after Dooley declined and it was too late to get Siddle.

That's the only thing that makes sense besides a booster having a UNC hardon

1. Ding- Dooley used our interview and offer to get a raise at FGCU!
2. Ding- A name everyone knows got an assistant at Arizona an interview and probably turned us down also.
3. Ding- Someone highly influential with UNC ties pushed McGrath

Looking at it objectively, my conclusion is that Bass (the guy making the decision) felt incredibly confident that Dooley and/or another experienced head coach would take the job and got burned.
That's the same conclusion i came too as well.04-cheers
The Arizona name was Joe Pasternack. He actually interviewed before Dooley.
https://www.wect.com/story/35009020/uncw...ead-coach/

Siddle was likely told, presumably by Bass, they wanted someone with HC experience. Bass apparently got burned by Dooley and Pasternack but Siddle had already moved on so McGrath it was. McGrath was a big name tenured assistant for a legendary head coach in a top tier program. So while he didn't have any HC experience, on paper it looked good and could be pushed as a winning hire as opposed to something less positive
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On paper it was not a good hire he was demoted and moved back up several
l times while at unc.that is not a good hire when this happens.

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(07-08-2021 09:31 AM)tke75hawk Wrote:  On paper it was not a good hire he was demoted and moved back up several
l times while at unc.that is not a good hire when this happens.

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True

But only the most hard-core of fans are going to know that

Most are going to hear a top long term UNC assistant under Roy Williams and be like wow good hire
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(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.
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(07-08-2021 11:03 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.
Yeah, you can't just "roll the ball out and let em play" when you don't have a team full of McDonalds All American's. You have to adapt going from that style to a mid, or it won't work, see CB. On the same note, what works great at a mid in terms of out athleting people like KK did while here, won't work at the major level so adjustments need to be made. The coaches that learn to adjust make it, the ones that don't, don't!
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(07-08-2021 11:03 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.

Not coincidental that Miller had a change of strategy to the press at the exact time Keatts brought the press to UNCW and immediately turned UNCW around afte failingr "Carolina Ball" with Buzz.
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(07-08-2021 11:23 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:03 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.
Yeah, you can't just "roll the ball out and let em play" when you don't have a team full of McDonalds All American's. You have to adapt going from that style to a mid, or it won't work, see CB. On the same note, what works great at a mid in terms of out athleting people like KK did while here, won't work at the major level so adjustments need to be made. The coaches that learn to adjust make it, the ones that don't, don't!

McGrath was a confusing-bad hire from the beginning. Personally, I don't recall giving up on a coach as quickly as I did with him. It was fairly obvious after year 1 that he wasn't the guy.

The idea that Carolina's system is just about "rolling the ball out" is nonsense. There are practical reasons it doesn't work elsewhere, but that is for a different discussion.

Looking back at Buzz's resume at ASU and first four years at Tennessee, Keatts' record is only marginally better.
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(07-08-2021 11:37 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:23 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:03 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.
Yeah, you can't just "roll the ball out and let em play" when you don't have a team full of McDonalds All American's. You have to adapt going from that style to a mid, or it won't work, see CB. On the same note, what works great at a mid in terms of out athleting people like KK did while here, won't work at the major level so adjustments need to be made. The coaches that learn to adjust make it, the ones that don't, don't!

McGrath was a confusing-bad hire from the beginning. Personally, I don't recall giving up on a coach as quickly as I did with him. It was fairly obvious after year 1 that he wasn't the guy.

The idea that Carolina's system is just about "rolling the ball out" is nonsense. There are practical reasons it doesn't work elsewhere, but that is for a different discussion.

Looking back at Buzz's resume at ASU and first four years at Tennessee, Keatts' record is only marginally better.

I agree. If we had gone from Buzz to CB that would have been one thing. But going from Keatts to CB made ZERO sense because the styles are so different.

I really wanted him to succeed here because he seemed like a solid dude that was a really good man. Alex Riley's comments about him indicated to me he was someone to root for.

Unfortunately Riley's article laid out the factual, quantitative reasons why it wasn't working. (https://www.starnewsonline.com/opinion/2...omplicated)

The fact that Burke was able to field competitive teams down 5 guys that McGrath couldn't keep showed me that it wasn't going to get any better.

There are legitimate arguments that could be made about letting McGrath finish out the year, especially when you factor in the COVID havoc that would arise only 2 months later, but ultimately where the team was at in January 2020 with no signs of life, i don't think the ultimate outcome would have changed.
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(07-08-2021 11:37 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:23 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:03 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.
Yeah, you can't just "roll the ball out and let em play" when you don't have a team full of McDonalds All American's. You have to adapt going from that style to a mid, or it won't work, see CB. On the same note, what works great at a mid in terms of out athleting people like KK did while here, won't work at the major level so adjustments need to be made. The coaches that learn to adjust make it, the ones that don't, don't!

McGrath was a confusing-bad hire from the beginning. Personally, I don't recall giving up on a coach as quickly as I did with him. It was fairly obvious after year 1 that he wasn't the guy.

The idea that Carolina's system is just about "rolling the ball out" is nonsense. There are practical reasons it doesn't work elsewhere, but that is for a different discussion.

Looking back at Buzz's resume at ASU and first four years at Tennessee, Keatts' record is only marginally better.
We've been down this path before, and we will just have to agree to disagree. But let it know that there are lots of people outside of Carolina fans that think the same thing i do. Roy was a great recruiter, and very good at developing talent. X, O..... Meh
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(07-08-2021 11:35 AM)82hawk Wrote:  [quote='Seahawk Nation 08' pid='17492804' dateline='1625760235']
[quote='70shawk' pid='17492521' dateline='1625742837']
Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.


Not coincidental that Miller had a change of strategy to the press at the exact time Keatts brought the press to UNCW and immediately turned UNCW around after failing "Carolina Ball" with Buzz.
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RE: Tip off dinner announced
(07-08-2021 11:37 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:23 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:03 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 06:13 AM)70shawk Wrote:  Not to bash UNC-Ch, but help me out: Other than Wes Miller, what coach or player from that system has been successful as a coach at the mid major level?

And the only reason Miller started having success at UNCG is because he scrapped the "UNC playbook". When he did that and adopted a strategy that involved playing 94 feet of defense, only then did he see success.
Yeah, you can't just "roll the ball out and let em play" when you don't have a team full of McDonalds All American's. You have to adapt going from that style to a mid, or it won't work, see CB. On the same note, what works great at a mid in terms of out athleting people like KK did while here, won't work at the major level so adjustments need to be made. The coaches that learn to adjust make it, the ones that don't, don't!

McGrath was a confusing-bad hire from the beginning. Personally, I don't recall giving up on a coach as quickly as I did with him. It was fairly obvious after year 1 that he wasn't the guy.

The idea that Carolina's system is just about "rolling the ball out" is nonsense. There are practical reasons it doesn't work elsewhere, but that is for a different discussion.

Looking back at Buzz's resume at ASU and first four years at Tennessee, Keatts' record is only marginally better.

Peterson took exactly 1 team to the NCAA tournament - Appalachian in his first tenure. He amazingly managed to get job after job based on that.
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RE: Tip off dinner announced
(07-08-2021 11:37 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Looking back at Buzz's resume at ASU and first four years at Tennessee, Keatts' record is only marginally better.

(07-08-2021 06:00 PM)70shawk Wrote:  Peterson took exactly 1 team to the NCAA tournament - Appalachian in his first tenure. He amazingly managed to get job after job based on that.

The question asked was what UNC coaches have had success at the mid-major level. I'm not arguing that Peterson was a great coach, but the hype/potential around him when he left ASU was similar to the hype for Keatts following his run here. Both deserved and earned.

For the record, Buzz is my least favorite UNCW coach of the past 25 years.
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Good read here and I agree with most here. The Carolina guys didn't understand what it took to win at a mid major level. You can attribute that to a number of things but it comes down to recruiting enough good players to a system that will work in today's game and the level of intensity that it took to win. I never felt that either was going to go to the top of the conference after 1 year or so it became obvious to me, especially McGrath (still liked him as a person just not a motivator of young men).

At first, I thought Miller was going to be gone but they stuck by him. He went 94 feet and has done it for a long while and started that about when Kevin arrived or slightly before. He was really good at getting the right fit and was smart. Good for him. We were light years ahead of them until he arrived.

The jury is still out on Siddle but I have a completely different feeling now even after last year. He gets players, guys that can flat out shoot, handle and have athleticism and he has a system. That system is the modern game and you see it played out in the NBA right now. I really like that he has 2 great PG and now has guys that are lights out marksmen plus defenders with skill to go with Sims who can beat you at all 3 levels. You HAVE to have that. I'm not thrilled about not having another true big down low besides Kelly but that goes along with the modern theory of having 5 guys that can deck it and are mobile enough to guard and play pick and roll well. He did augment well getting a good experienced 4 man with size in Baker and White (who can really get caroms} so you can go sort of big at times and not give up much offensively there. With Sims at 6'6" as a true wing, you do have size but Sims play some 4 defensively at times in this system when the situation dictates.

This upcoming team has talent...get your popcorn ready!
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