(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

(11-14-2021 01:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

If Moussa could have pulled a 20 & 13 last year that would have likely seen us in the NCAA tournament vs the NIT.

Correct...

The comparison was between a Sophmore Cisse...But hey people tend to leave that out.

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

(11-14-2021 01:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 11:37 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  He had 17 and 9 in first game......

So more of the same.
Big numbers.
Then little numbers.

Frosh Duren>>>>>>>>Soph Cisse

Chet Holmgren...

2 points and 5 rebounds 23 minutes...

I have no idea what led to Cisses numbers...Didn't watch the game. But comparing his numbers on bad team really isn't going to cut it.

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

What is your deal with Duren? It’s not even close. Duren is better than Cisse in EVERY aspect. It’s not even close or up for debate. Hey I’m sure Moussa is a great kid. But he’s not in Duren’s class.

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

thanks Eddie Haskel ...

(11-14-2021 01:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

If Moussa could have pulled a 20 & 13 last year that would have likely seen us in the NCAA tournament vs the NIT.

Correct...

The comparison was between a Sophmore Cisse...But hey people tend to leave that out.

No matter the comparison, no matter the year, the game or the whatever, comparing Moussa to Duren is like comparing Tommy Lowery to Keith Lee.

There is truly no comparison. To say there is is, well, actually funny.

(11-14-2021 02:54 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

If Moussa could have pulled a 20 & 13 last year that would have likely seen us in the NCAA tournament vs the NIT.

Correct...

The comparison was between a Sophmore Cisse...But hey people tend to leave that out.

No matter the comparison, no matter the year, the game or the whatever, comparing Moussa to Duren is like comparing Tommy Lowery to Keith Lee.

There is truly no comparison. To say there is is, well, actually funny.

Tommy Lowery lol I woulda went Steve Ballard or Todd Mundt but still a good one.

T-Tommy! The pride of Winona, MS

Possibly the nicest human to ever walk this planet.

I think his career high was 10 points. He gave me his wrist bands after the game. Still have them in a shoe box with John Gunn’s headband.

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

Defensively they are MOST similar - but not equal. Duren is better with his ability to guard in space. Did you see him taking on the opposing PG without fouling?

Offense is actually fairly important too. And that's a game changer.

I have no idea what you mean about Duren not being able to reach his potential. Stats wise possibly. But development? Come on.

(11-14-2021 07:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

Defensively they are MOST similar - but not equal. Duren is better with his ability to guard in space. Did you see him taking on the opposing PG without fouling?

Offense is actually fairly important too. And that's a game changer.

I have no idea what you mean about Duren not being able to reach his potential. Stats wise possibly. But development? Come on.

Duren is ridiculously athletic and that gives him a huge advantage defensively. He has the ability to guard outside the paint area and shift to the paint quickly as a backline help defender. He did that several times yesterday blocking 2 shots from the help side.
On one of those plays he actually guarded their guard AND the bigger player in the paint basically at the same time.
He and Moussa have nearly identical measurables, but the intangibles are night and day in Durens favor.

(11-14-2021 07:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

Defensively they are MOST similar - but not equal. Duren is better with his ability to guard in space. Did you see him taking on the opposing PG without fouling?

Offense is actually fairly important too. And that's a game changer.

I have no idea what you mean about Duren not being able to reach his potential. Stats wise possibly. But development? Come on.

On offense they are treating Duren like he has Cisse skills...

A lob guy...Someone you have to get it to in scoring position. Duren has the ability to get his own...He is not getting those opportunities. Give him a few catches on the low block...Let him work.

We’ll see what the pros think after this season. Any wagers on who’ll go higher in the draft… assuming Duren is eligible?
In my opinion, Moussa has no feel for the game. He’s athletic but he’s a robot. He takes crappy angles on defense but has had enough athletic ability to get by. If he’s pushed out from the rim be cannot score.

(11-14-2021 09:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

Defensively they are MOST similar - but not equal. Duren is better with his ability to guard in space. Did you see him taking on the opposing PG without fouling?

Offense is actually fairly important too. And that's a game changer.

I have no idea what you mean about Duren not being able to reach his potential. Stats wise possibly. But development? Come on.

On offense they are treating Duren like he has Cisse skills...

A lob guy...Someone you have to get it to in scoring position. Duren has the ability to get his own...He is not getting those opportunities. Give him a few catches on the low block...Let him work.

That is modern basketball, all play is guard driven. Giving the ball to a big man on the block to post up and go to work is pretty rare. You may have someone like Embid who gets the ball 15 feet from the basket, faces up and then backs his guy down but just tossing the ball to a big posted up and running your offense through that set is not done anymore. Teams do not want bigs posting up and clogging the lane.

I think Duren's role actually fits the offense perfectly and from a draft perspective it absolutely highlights his strengths. Explosive, rim rocking finisher. And he looks dominate playing that style. He can prove in private workouts after the season that he can post up and get his own.

(11-14-2021 09:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

Defensively they are MOST similar - but not equal. Duren is better with his ability to guard in space. Did you see him taking on the opposing PG without fouling?

Offense is actually fairly important too. And that's a game changer.

I have no idea what you mean about Duren not being able to reach his potential. Stats wise possibly. But development? Come on.

On offense they are treating Duren like he has Cisse skills...

A lob guy...Someone you have to get it to in scoring position. Duren has the ability to get his own...He is not getting those opportunities. Give him a few catches on the low block...Let him work.

Bless your heart

(11-14-2021 09:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

Defensively they are MOST similar - but not equal. Duren is better with his ability to guard in space. Did you see him taking on the opposing PG without fouling?

Offense is actually fairly important too. And that's a game changer.

I have no idea what you mean about Duren not being able to reach his potential. Stats wise possibly. But development? Come on.

On offense they are treating Duren like he has Cisse skills...

A lob guy...Someone you have to get it to in scoring position. Duren has the ability to get his own...He is not getting those opportunities. Give him a few catches on the low block...Let him work.

You are really digging in deep on this.

Soph Cisse = Frosh Duren.
Duren will not develop at Memphis.

lol

(11-14-2021 09:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 01:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Per 40

Moussa last year 14 and 13

Duren 20 and 13

Is it really that far off...

lol
Are you watching games?

I didn't see Moussas games...

Is Duren more talented...Absolutely...

But if we continue to play like we have he will not be able to realize his potential.

Defensively they are similar...

Defensively they are MOST similar - but not equal. Duren is better with his ability to guard in space. Did you see him taking on the opposing PG without fouling?

Offense is actually fairly important too. And that's a game changer.

I have no idea what you mean about Duren not being able to reach his potential. Stats wise possibly. But development? Come on.

On offense they are treating Duren like he has Cisse skills...

A lob guy...Someone you have to get it to in scoring position. Duren has the ability to get his own...He is not getting those opportunities. Give him a few catches on the low block...Let him work.

You seem to think development actually happens in games.
Even so, the tape says otherwise.
video marks 0:12, 0:51, and 1:52.

Wow, I cant believe I opened a thread about Moussa Cisse and saw Jalen Duren being compared in anyway shape or for to him.

(11-15-2021 06:06 PM)dwash Wrote:  Wow, I cant believe I opened a thread about Moussa Cisse and saw Jalen Duren being compared in anyway shape or for to him.

It’s amazing isn’t it?

I'm not quite sure that I want to say that I think I prefer freshman Duren to senior Dorsey yet. I think I need to get through the Alabama and Tennessee games and see where he's at before I can say that. But he's already my favorite player on this team, and I really like a lot of the guys on this team.

And just to be clear: He's a significantly better basketball player in every phase of the game than Moussa Cisse (maybe they are comparable on defensive rebounds).