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They are not professional athletes since they are not being paid for their on field performance.
07-26-2021 10:01 AM
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(07-26-2021 06:49 AM)Purple Wrote:  I wonder if academic standards will fall for "student-athletes" because they are no longer student-athletes, but, rather, professional athletes. I think so. After all, who cares about their grades, these are professionals. Why should they even be required to go to class?

The whole development is very sad in my opinion. How many millions will be thrown at five-star kids to pretend to be college students?

If you really think 5 star kids are treated as normal students currently, I have a bridge to sell you
07-26-2021 11:25 AM
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(07-26-2021 11:25 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 06:49 AM)Purple Wrote:  I wonder if academic standards will fall for "student-athletes" because they are no longer student-athletes, but, rather, professional athletes. I think so. After all, who cares about their grades, these are professionals. Why should they even be required to go to class?

The whole development is very sad in my opinion. How many millions will be thrown at five-star kids to pretend to be college students?

If you really think 5 star kids are treated as normal students currently, I have a bridge to sell you

I don't think his argument was that "student-athletes", especially those at big name schools playing football and men's basketball, are your typical college students. I think the logic to the argument is that the remaining guardrails to give collegiate athletics some aura of amateurism are now even going to be dwindled further than it already is. I also agree for the most part. I get that these are not typical kids, but I want to watch college football and not the minor league NFL.
07-26-2021 04:12 PM
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I guess it's a matter of perception. I have thought of P5 (and a fair number of G5 teams) as minor league NFL for a long while now. Kudos to you for holding out this long.
07-26-2021 06:32 PM
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Long, long ago, when I accepted an appointment at JMU, my best friend, college roommate at Texas and teammate on our High School football team asked me if JMU played football. I told him JMU played D1-AA (the terminology used at the time). My friend replied, “Oh, JMU plays college football, not professional college football.”

He had it right then, and that comment is even more spot-on today.

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07-26-2021 07:50 PM
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(07-26-2021 11:25 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 06:49 AM)Purple Wrote:  I wonder if academic standards will fall for "student-athletes" because they are no longer student-athletes, but, rather, professional athletes. I think so. After all, who cares about their grades, these are professionals. Why should they even be required to go to class?

The whole development is very sad in my opinion. How many millions will be thrown at five-star kids to pretend to be college students?

If you really think 5 star kids are treated as normal students currently, I have a bridge to sell you

You missed my point entirely, then agreed with it. No surprise.
07-26-2021 10:31 PM
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(07-26-2021 04:12 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 11:25 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 06:49 AM)Purple Wrote:  I wonder if academic standards will fall for "student-athletes" because they are no longer student-athletes, but, rather, professional athletes. I think so. After all, who cares about their grades, these are professionals. Why should they even be required to go to class?

The whole development is very sad in my opinion. How many millions will be thrown at five-star kids to pretend to be college students?

If you really think 5 star kids are treated as normal students currently, I have a bridge to sell you

I don't think his argument was that "student-athletes", especially those at big name schools playing football and men's basketball, are your typical college students. I think the logic to the argument is that the remaining guardrails to give collegiate athletics some aura of amateurism are now even going to be dwindled further than it already is. I also agree for the most part. I get that these are not typical kids, but I want to watch college football and not the minor league NFL.

Thank you. You get it. And thanks for explaining it to fishy. I hope he now also gets it.
07-26-2021 10:34 PM
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(07-26-2021 10:34 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 04:12 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 11:25 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 06:49 AM)Purple Wrote:  I wonder if academic standards will fall for "student-athletes" because they are no longer student-athletes, but, rather, professional athletes. I think so. After all, who cares about their grades, these are professionals. Why should they even be required to go to class?

The whole development is very sad in my opinion. How many millions will be thrown at five-star kids to pretend to be college students?

If you really think 5 star kids are treated as normal students currently, I have a bridge to sell you

I don't think his argument was that "student-athletes", especially those at big name schools playing football and men's basketball, are your typical college students. I think the logic to the argument is that the remaining guardrails to give collegiate athletics some aura of amateurism are now even going to be dwindled further than it already is. I also agree for the most part. I get that these are not typical kids, but I want to watch college football and not the minor league NFL.

Thank you. You get it. And thanks for explaining it to fishy. I hope he now also gets it.

Again NIL has zero to do with the university and their standards. Colleges and the NCAA are not paying these kids to play football and there will still be academic probations and other rules violations within programs. In fact this allows athletes to have the same opportunities that the rest of the kids on campus do.
07-27-2021 06:00 AM
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I just don't think any of the things people are worried about(finding ways to pay players tons of money, letting bad academics slide, etc.) are going to change much if at all. When people are afraid of those things changing, it makes me think they don't realize how much the things they're worried about are already happening.

In my opinion, it's not NIL that's going to cause major changes that are only good for the biggest fish but maybe this round of conference realignment. I guess maybe NIL could've impacted that, kind of an "oh no, now players can get legit money anywhere instead of just getting money if they play for us, we better separate ourselves another way." But they probably would've gone the way they're going either way.
07-27-2021 09:06 AM
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(07-27-2021 06:00 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Again NIL has zero to do with the university and their standards. Colleges and the NCAA are not paying these kids to play football and there will still be academic probations and other rules violations within programs. In fact this allows athletes to have the same opportunities that the rest of the kids on campus do.

We know this to be true. I’ll argue the dissenters on this thread, in their hearts, know this to be true as well.

We’re just seeing a bunch of dusty old “back in my day the only compensation we got was a swift kick in the ass from the coach and WE WERE BETTER FOR IT” hot takes under the extremely thin veneer of phony concern for the sanctity of the student athlete.
07-27-2021 09:29 AM
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