(09-20-2021 12:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 12:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote:  Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house.

Just checking in… Now that September is 2/3 done, how are things going with Manchin and Sinema?

He'll just change it to October

Well he did say “around” September, didn’t he? I guess we could check back in another month.

(09-20-2021 03:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 12:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-20-2021 12:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote:  Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house.

Just checking in… Now that September is 2/3 done, how are things going with Manchin and Sinema?

He'll just change it to October

Well he did say “around” September, didn’t he? I guess we could check back in another month.

"Around" translates to a +/- 2 months. So that means definitely maybe by the end of November.

(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote:  Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house.

another swing and a miss.

(07-03-2021 09:25 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 10:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Is calling Manchin “Machin” a troll-thing or just typographical? I noticed you did that twice.
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Also, I’ll repeat a point I’ve made before, that there are other Dem. Senators who privately approve of what Manchin/Sinema are doing and are encouraging them to hold firm, but don’t want to catch any of the flak themselves.

But I guess we’ll see.

I actually like Manchin. No need to troll him. He is the one who put common sense into the Dem's Voting Rights bill. The fact he came up with his own "compromise" tells me he is smart enough to know something must pass on this, with or without the GOP. That's why I think at the end of the day, Manchin/Sinema will do a one time exception to the fillabuster on that issue alone. And I believe it has to be by September so it can fully effect the 2022 election cycle.

(07-02-2021 11:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Anyone that remembers 1980 knows whats coming. President Houseplant is a Carter sized disaster, except we dont even get Carter's calming wisdom or his ability to speak in coherent sentences.

If Trump isn't the new Carter, I don't know who can be. The Trump brand now is absolutely toxic. What's left of it is becoming known as cheap, discounted, or downright sketchy. It's no longer associated with luxurious.

If won’t be in effect in 2022 whether it passes or not. There’s the little problem that it’s unconstitutional to federalize the elections. If it ever passes it will be tied up in court well past the 2022 cycle.

(07-03-2021 09:25 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 10:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Is calling Manchin “Machin” a troll-thing or just typographical? I noticed you did that twice.
..
Also, I’ll repeat a point I’ve made before, that there are other Dem. Senators who privately approve of what Manchin/Sinema are doing and are encouraging them to hold firm, but don’t want to catch any of the flak themselves.

But I guess we’ll see.

I actually like Manchin. No need to troll him. He is the one who put common sense into the Dem's Voting Rights bill. The fact he came up with his own "compromise" tells me he is smart enough to know something must pass on this, with or without the GOP. That's why I think at the end of the day, Manchin/Sinema will do a one time exception to the fillabuster on that issue alone. And I believe it has to be by September so it can fully effect the 2022 election cycle.

(07-02-2021 11:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Anyone that remembers 1980 knows whats coming. President Houseplant is a Carter sized disaster, except we dont even get Carter's calming wisdom or his ability to speak in coherent sentences.

If Trump isn't the new Carter, I don't know who can be. The Trump brand now is absolutely toxic. What's left of it is becoming known as cheap, discounted, or downright sketchy. It's no longer associated with luxurious.

How is Trump the new Carter, what did Trump do that was so wrong, policy wise.. I'll wait.

(07-03-2021 09:25 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 10:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Is calling Manchin “Machin” a troll-thing or just typographical? I noticed you did that twice.
..
Also, I’ll repeat a point I’ve made before, that there are other Dem. Senators who privately approve of what Manchin/Sinema are doing and are encouraging them to hold firm, but don’t want to catch any of the flak themselves.

But I guess we’ll see.

I actually like Manchin. No need to troll him. He is the one who put common sense into the Dem's Voting Rights bill. The fact he came up with his own "compromise" tells me he is smart enough to know something must pass on this, with or without the GOP. That's why I think at the end of the day, Manchin/Sinema will do a one time exception to the fillabuster on that issue alone. And I believe it has to be by September so it can fully effect the 2022 election cycle.

(07-02-2021 11:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Anyone that remembers 1980 knows whats coming. President Houseplant is a Carter sized disaster, except we dont even get Carter's calming wisdom or his ability to speak in coherent sentences.

If Trump isn't the new Carter, I don't know who can be. The Trump brand now is absolutely toxic. What's left of it is becoming known as cheap, discounted, or downright sketchy. It's no longer associated with luxurious.

lol---this didnt age well did it? Biden's now managed to take a what was a stable situation Afghanistan for 20 years and literally lose a 20 year war in THREE MONTHS of horrific decisions (where he apparently bucked his top generals and lied about it to the American people). That alone is Carter level failure ON STEROIDS.

Now add in inflation taking off. Stock market falling. Unemployment unexpectedly rising. The deficit sky rocketing. A stable border situation converted to a crisis in just a few months of Biden "management". Good grief----this is what failed presidents look like. The only person happy about Biden is Jimmy Carter. Carter must be literally doing a happy dance to finally shed his title of the worst living president.

(09-30-2021 03:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 09:25 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 10:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Is calling Manchin “Machin” a troll-thing or just typographical? I noticed you did that twice.
..
Also, I’ll repeat a point I’ve made before, that there are other Dem. Senators who privately approve of what Manchin/Sinema are doing and are encouraging them to hold firm, but don’t want to catch any of the flak themselves.

But I guess we’ll see.

I actually like Manchin. No need to troll him. He is the one who put common sense into the Dem's Voting Rights bill. The fact he came up with his own "compromise" tells me he is smart enough to know something must pass on this, with or without the GOP. That's why I think at the end of the day, Manchin/Sinema will do a one time exception to the fillabuster on that issue alone. And I believe it has to be by September so it can fully effect the 2022 election cycle.

(07-02-2021 11:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Anyone that remembers 1980 knows whats coming. President Houseplant is a Carter sized disaster, except we dont even get Carter's calming wisdom or his ability to speak in coherent sentences.

If Trump isn't the new Carter, I don't know who can be. The Trump brand now is absolutely toxic. What's left of it is becoming known as cheap, discounted, or downright sketchy. It's no longer associated with luxurious.

lol---this didnt age well did it? Biden's now managed to take a what was a stable situation Afghanistan for 20 years and literally lose a 20 year war in THREE MONTHS of horrific decisions (where he apparently bucked his top generals and lied about it to the American people). That alone is Carter level failure ON STEROIDS.

Now add in inflation taking off. Stock market falling. Unemployment unexpectedly rising. The deficit sky rocketing. A stable border situation converted to a crisis in just a few months of Biden "management". Good grief----this is what failed presidents look like. The only person happy about Biden is Jimmy Carter. Carter must be literally doing a happy dance to finally shed his title of the worst living president.

Only the brain-dead liberals who are enthralled by the progressive/communist/socialist/whatever the hell it is leadership buy into that tripe about Trump or think Biden is doing a good job.

Would love the look on Nancy's face if Manchin got pissed at the Democrat party and switched to Republican throwing Chuckle Doll under the Bus. Maybe some moderate Democrat Congress members would follow suit. Likely never happen though outside of NJ.

(10-03-2021 10:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Would love the look on Nancy's face if Manchin got pissed at the Democrat party and switched to Republican throwing Chuckle Doll under the Bus. Maybe some moderate Democrat Congress members would follow suit. Likely never happen though outside of NJ.

https://twitter.com/4_04_Not_Found/statu...7799529472

FORGIVE ME FATHER FOR I HAVE SINNED

She'll try to talk the pope into letting her have communion. Why else would she do that? Maybe she's got a letter from The SOB mandating communion to all baby killing catholics...or else.

Biden has now acknowledged the reconciliation bill will not exceed $2.2 trillion, and may be as low as $1.9T. Manchin is holding to $1.5T as his upper-limit. Not sure what Pelosi’s response is.

(10-05-2021 08:14 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Biden has now acknowledged the reconciliation bill will not exceed $2.2 trillion, and may be as low as $1.9T. Manchin is holding to $1.5T as his upper-limit. Not sure what Pelosi’s response is.

Probably pull some designer ice cream out of her freezer to enjoy.

I still think republicans should have responded to that video of her with the ice cream by holding an ice cream social on the capitol grounds.

(09-20-2021 12:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-01-2021 07:38 PM)scorpius Wrote:  Doing nothing is ideal because it will force Machin and Sinema to give on the filibuster on this and thus open the flood gate to everything else. Once reality sets in around September that nothing is getting done, you better believe their attitudes will change. My guess is they will be forced to bring up both bills and force McConnell's hand. If he plays chicken, he'll lose the hen house.

Just checking in… Now that September is 2/3 done, how are things going with Manchin and Sinema?

Replace September with November. Check in with me at the end of November.

I'll also add that I love Machin and Sinema. They are like the Reagan Republicans of the 80's. The sausage making you see happening in Congress today between the progressive and moderate Dems is like it was in the 80's between the Dems and GOP. Back then the GOP actually participated in the sausage making and had actual real motivation to solve problems. The GOP of the 80's were exactly where Machin and Sinema stand today. What happened with the mainstream GOP over the last 35 years since Reagan is disgusting and revolting. They have turned into a party of obstructionist theocratic authoritarianism. I could write all day about the cancer that grew within the party over the last 35 years that resulted in this. All we can do now is just hope and pray it doesn't take down our democracy.

Do you see any sign that either Manchin or Sinema have adjusted their stance since late June?

If the BBB bill eventually comes through Congress at $1.4-1.5T, compared to the $3.5-4.5T demanded by the Sanders/Squad-types), would you view that as a positive outcome?

(10-24-2021 09:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Do you see any sign that either Manchin or Sinema have adjusted their stance since late June?

If the BBB bill eventually comes through Congress at $1.4-1.5T, compared to the $3.5-4.5T demanded by the Sanders/Squad-types), would you view that as a positive outcome?

Manchin is already up to 1.75T, but knows the writing is on the wall for around 2T. Everything that is happening now with Manchin and Sinema is a show in order to appease their conservative donors. I would not be surprised if one or both of these Senators switch to Independent in the near future in order to further appease donors. But it would not change who they caucus with.

The reconciliation bill is already baked into the cake. What you should be worried about is what might happen on voting rights after this bill passes. Or rather you should be HOPING something happens for the sake of our democracy.

lulz

The Far Left Zealots won't vote for it because it is too low. They want a complete collapse of the country so THEY can control everything.

seems like the apropos spot to post this