(07-01-2021 01:14 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Here’s how you do it.

No team shall be allowed a one-point PAT attempt if a tied score would result.

That’s for the whole game.

Waaaaaay fewer OTs and the vast majority would be done in a couple rounds.

Love that idea!

(06-30-2021 11:11 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 10:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd prefer to keep the going for 1 rule in 1st 2 OT. That way, both teams have a chance to go for the surprise 2 point conversion in OT.

Both teams can still go for the surprise 2 pointer in the 1st OT as both teams get the ball in each OT.

There is a bigger advantage going 2nd in the regular rules than in the mandatory 2 point conversion rules. If the team going first misses the kick, you only need to make the kick. If they make the kick, you can "go for the win" if you have the balls to do it. If both teams have to go for 2, then it's just offense vs. defense assuming both teams score touchdowns. So having mandatory 2 pointers on the 2nd OT gives a bigger advantage to the team that wins the coin toss.

My point is the last team is the one that can really do the surprise one. Team 1 scores TD and kicks extra point. Team 2 scores and they go for the surprise 2 for the win. That should be in place for both teams IMO. Gives the team winning the toss a much bigger advantage now.

(06-30-2021 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 11:42 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  One of the EA football games, I think it was Madden, had a mini game where you put the ball on the 50 and the teams alternated possession after each play. First team to the end zone wins.

California public high school football used something similar as its overtime back in the 70s and early 80s, but limited it to eight plays total. Winner was determined by which side of the 50 the ball was on after the last play.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/01/califo...ormat.html

I doubt you'd see either implemented but it'd be an outside-the-box solution. Like football's answer to the Elam Ending, a little too far-out for now but maybe down the line?

Never saw one of those because it was way before my time, but... if I'm coaching a team that had the ball on the first play of that overtime, and I had a halfway decent punter, I'd punt on the first play.

Ha. Also before my time but I'm guessing they didn't allow special teams plays (not sure if they could have kept a QB from pooch punting out of a designed play a la Randall Cunningham -- the illegal kick penalty wasn't designed for it but could probably be pressed into service)

(07-01-2021 10:32 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 11:42 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  One of the EA football games, I think it was Madden, had a mini game where you put the ball on the 50 and the teams alternated possession after each play. First team to the end zone wins.

California public high school football used something similar as its overtime back in the 70s and early 80s, but limited it to eight plays total. Winner was determined by which side of the 50 the ball was on after the last play.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/01/califo...ormat.html

I doubt you'd see either implemented but it'd be an outside-the-box solution. Like football's answer to the Elam Ending, a little too far-out for now but maybe down the line?

Never saw one of those because it was way before my time, but... if I'm coaching a team that had the ball on the first play of that overtime, and I had a halfway decent punter, I'd punt on the first play.

Ha. Also before my time but I'm guessing they didn't allow special teams plays (not sure if they could have kept a QB from pooch punting out of a designed play a la Randall Cunningham -- the illegal kick penalty wasn't designed for it but could probably be pressed into service)

They could have prevented punts in that overtime format; I have no idea whether they did. All they would have needed is a rule that if a team punts in the overtime, the play is nullified and the opposing team runs its next play from the previous line of scrimmage.

Since the relative academic ranking of FBS schools seems to be a constant topic for discussion, I would suggest that OT be replaced by an academic contest. Using the players on the field at the end of regulation, first one to correctly solve a quadratic equation wins.

EDIT: On second thought, that's too easy to game the system. Each team would just put a nerdy ringer in the game for the last play. Make it the players who were on the field at the beginning of the game.

My preferred rule: 1 15 minute period, game ends then.

I always thought the mini-game should precede real football, not the other way around. Win the coin toss and you can elect to receive both halves or put a half-point on the scoreboard. Ta da! No game ever goes to overtime.

(06-30-2021 07:32 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...time-rules

Apologies if this is wide known, but I accidentally stumbled on this rule change from April today and hadnt seen it before

NEW RULES:
2 point conversion must be attempted in #2OT instead of #3OT
Alternating 2 point conversions begin in #3OT instead of #5OT

Going to alternating 2 point conversions in #3 seems a bit hasty I would have done #4 if they wanted to change it.
Also just eliminate extra points in all of OT and force them to do 2 point conversions in #1OT since 2 point conversions are likely going to factor in most OT situations.

I would rather each team get the ball on the 50 and have the game decided on normal plays and scoring. If a 2nd OT is required and they are still tied you have a tie.

(07-01-2021 01:14 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Here’s how you do it.

No team shall be allowed a one-point PAT attempt if a tied score would result.

That’s for the whole game.

Waaaaaay fewer OTs and the vast majority would be done in a couple rounds.

Just make it, no one-point PAT attempts, no kicking for PATs, period. The only PAT attempts would be scrimmage plays from the 2 yard line, worth 2 points if successful.

Or, just make each touchdown worth 7 points and get rid of PAT attempts altogether.

1 OT - Normal
2 OT - NO XP
3 OT - NO FG
4 OT - 2 Pt Shootout

(06-30-2021 08:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 07:32 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...time-rules

Apologies if this is wide known, but I accidentally stumbled on this rule change from April today and hadnt seen it before

NEW RULES:
2 point conversion must be attempted in #2OT instead of #3OT
Alternating 2 point conversions begin in #3OT instead of #5OT

Going to alternating 2 point conversions in #3 seems a bit hasty I would have done #4 if they wanted to change it.
Also just eliminate extra points in all of OT and force them to do 2 point conversions in #1OT since 2 point conversions are likely going to factor in most OT situations.

Hate the 2 point conversion rule instead of starting at the 25. Ties are ok. Just shut it off after 5 OTs. You'll have what? 1 tie every other year in Division I?

There should be ties after 60m. They were eliminated because of 6 win rule for bowl games. Now that there are 65 bowl games for 130 teams, win total of 6 is completely irrelevant now.

Watching teams score 35 points in OT and having the stats count is just nonsense.
Under current format, the winning team should just get 1 point added to total or list the score like this 35-35 (10-7) 2 OT

(06-30-2021 03:49 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  How about starting at the 40 instead of the 25?

They started at 25 yard line because FG kicking wasn't automatic back then. And teams were also allowed to play defense unlike today. Moving it to 40 or 50 would be a better choice.

(07-03-2021 12:42 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 07:32 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...time-rules

Apologies if this is wide known, but I accidentally stumbled on this rule change from April today and hadnt seen it before

NEW RULES:
2 point conversion must be attempted in #2OT instead of #3OT
Alternating 2 point conversions begin in #3OT instead of #5OT

Going to alternating 2 point conversions in #3 seems a bit hasty I would have done #4 if they wanted to change it.
Also just eliminate extra points in all of OT and force them to do 2 point conversions in #1OT since 2 point conversions are likely going to factor in most OT situations.

Hate the 2 point conversion rule instead of starting at the 25. Ties are ok. Just shut it off after 5 OTs. You'll have what? 1 tie every other year in Division I?

There should be ties after 60m. They were eliminated because of 6 win rule for bowl games. Now that there are 65 bowl games for 130 teams, win total of 6 is completely irrelevant now.

Watching teams score 35 points in OT and having the stats count is just nonsense.
Under current format, the winning team should just get 1 point added to total or list the score like this 35-35 (10-7) 2 OT

One idea I had is that OT TD's should only count as 2 points and OT FGs and OT safety would count as 1 point. 2point conversions would still count as 2 points and XP kicks would still count as 1 point. This would require keeping special stats for OT TD's and OT FG's which would not count on the stats as regular TD's and regular FG's.

(07-02-2021 06:30 AM)solohawks Wrote:  1 OT - Normal
2 OT - NO XP
3 OT - NO FG
4 OT - 2 Pt Shootout

There is no perfect system that makes everybody happy, but all up, I prefer two rounds of normal football, then two rounds that take winning with the kicking team off the table -- no 1pt XP, not FG -- and then if it's still tied, it's just a tie.

So:
1,2 OT: Normal
3,4 OT: No kicking for XP, no FG, "win it by getting to the end zone more than the other team".

One advantage is its easier to explain. No system is "easier to justify" (see "no perfect system", above), but easier to understand also has some value.