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RE: New NIL Discussion
(07-01-2021 06:09 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 04:35 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 12:08 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 09:10 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 08:51 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Why would we see fewer athletic scholarships offered? Maybe there’s something I don’t know here, but This extra money will not be coming from the school. It will be coming from local businesses. And national entities through social media. Teenagers are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for dancing on TikTok. Gamers are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for letting people watch them play a video game.

I think this is amazing for our athletes that they finally get to jump in on this. Get tens of thousands of followers, and national and even worldwide entities will be paying these kids big bucks to post videos of them drinking their soft drink, or wearing their clothes, or listening to their music… I think it’s about time. And schools like Memphis in large cities will do very well under these new rules. under the current archaic system, there was nothing we could ever do to level the playing field. As a matter of fact the playing field was slanted against us. As a true conspiracy right in front of everyone of us. Keeping low class Joe (non power conference) down and high-class trust fund schools (power conference) up by funneling tens of millions of dollars to each school from the same television partners who only give us a few million dollars a year.

Now, there’s nothing keeping Memphis’ sponsors from being able to jump in and legally pay players. I love it. And how anyone at a small conference doesn’t like this is beyond me. Because now new money that was illegal as of yesterday is now legal today.

When the athletes end up getting the majority of the conference TV money, things are really going to get interesting.

Money would have to get rerouted. And that can’t happen until current tv contracts are up. I believe the more likely scenario is, the conferences continue to get their usual slice of the pie and we see a whole new industry, so to speak, for the players. NIL money will be coming from different sources. And most players will not get NIL money. Only the top players most likely. I honestly don’t understand why people are making such a big deal of this. All that’s changing, if I’m a college sports player, I can now be in commercials, have a jersey for sale, get paid for autographs and memorabilia and social media posts….the overall infrastructure of college sports and the NCAA will stay the same.

I’m a high school basketball coach. If it were legal, and a local gym wanted to pay one of my players to work out at their gym and be in
Commercials, in order to boost their enrollment, my player would rightfully make money, but my team/program would be unaffected. This is essentially what’s about to happen.

The NCAA is being a bit naive, though, when they say colleges can’t arrange or use the NIL rule to recruit players, lol. Can’t wait to see
the NCAA’s selective enforcement of that rule.

The TV money can most definitely be rerouted to the athletes whether or not the current contracts are up. If they lose this lawsuit, the NCAA (and the member schools as they are essentially the NCAA) will be paying out treble damages.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoda...7777027002

This is a much bigger deal than purported from your response.

I’m not gonna say this is a bad thing. Give them some of the money. Why wouldn’t the players deserve it?

I’m just not ready to predict the end of the NCAA or amateurism like many folks are. Adapt or die maybe? But if the NCAA and individual colleges are willing to adapt, they will be fine. The current system that they have benefited from for decades is akin to having free child labor in China.

I think it’s a good thing too. How can people complain about a company selling goods in the US that are made by child labor in China and defend the NCAA “amateurism” model? The players are entitled to at least 50% of the NCAA revenue just like the pro revenue sharing models. If not for the athletes, the NCAA revenue steam would be ZERO. And it shouldn’t stop with just the NCAA. The football TV revenue is I think, $3-4 Billion. Half that should be going to the players.

And for those that say they get a free education, fine. Pay them what they are worth and let them pay for their schooling.

Edit-

By the way, with the exception of Grand Canyon University, aren’t all NCAA schools “nonprofit”? That’s a joke.
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RE: New NIL Discussion
(07-01-2021 06:35 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 06:09 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 04:35 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 12:08 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 09:10 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  When the athletes end up getting the majority of the conference TV money, things are really going to get interesting.

Money would have to get rerouted. And that can’t happen until current tv contracts are up. I believe the more likely scenario is, the conferences continue to get their usual slice of the pie and we see a whole new industry, so to speak, for the players. NIL money will be coming from different sources. And most players will not get NIL money. Only the top players most likely. I honestly don’t understand why people are making such a big deal of this. All that’s changing, if I’m a college sports player, I can now be in commercials, have a jersey for sale, get paid for autographs and memorabilia and social media posts….the overall infrastructure of college sports and the NCAA will stay the same.

I’m a high school basketball coach. If it were legal, and a local gym wanted to pay one of my players to work out at their gym and be in
Commercials, in order to boost their enrollment, my player would rightfully make money, but my team/program would be unaffected. This is essentially what’s about to happen.

The NCAA is being a bit naive, though, when they say colleges can’t arrange or use the NIL rule to recruit players, lol. Can’t wait to see
the NCAA’s selective enforcement of that rule.

The TV money can most definitely be rerouted to the athletes whether or not the current contracts are up. If they lose this lawsuit, the NCAA (and the member schools as they are essentially the NCAA) will be paying out treble damages.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoda...7777027002

This is a much bigger deal than purported from your response.

I’m not gonna say this is a bad thing. Give them some of the money. Why wouldn’t the players deserve it?

I’m just not ready to predict the end of the NCAA or amateurism like many folks are. Adapt or die maybe? But if the NCAA and individual colleges are willing to adapt, they will be fine. The current system that they have benefited from for decades is akin to having free child labor in China.

I think it’s a good thing too. How can people complain about a company selling goods in the US that are made by child labor in China and defend the NCAA “amateurism” model? The players are entitled to at least 50% of the NCAA revenue just like the pro revenue sharing models. If not for the athletes, the NCAA revenue steam would be ZERO. And it shouldn’t stop with just the NCAA. The football TV revenue is I think, $3-4 Billion. Half that should be going to the players.

And for those that say they get a free education, fine. Pay them what they are worth and let them pay for their schooling.

Edit-

By the way, with the exception of Grand Canyon University, aren’t all NCAA schools “nonprofit”? That’s a joke.

The players are entitled to 1/2? What kind of nonsense is that? Schools take on all expenses of student athletes as well as provide their education… if schools like Memphis start shelling out 1/2 of their income in player salaries, schools like Memphis will then get out of the college sports business… it’s simply an unmanageable money loser. Heck, we’re already dipping into students pockets through ever increasing activities to keep the boat afloat… so do we take more money from undergrads to pay the athletes? The vast majority of college athletic departments are fortunate to break even, so they’ll have some awfully difficult decisions to make, which ultimately will mean fewer HS athletes being offered college scholarships and fewer kids being afforded the opportunity to go to college.
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We have a coach with his own shoe brand... I see great potential for us...
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RE: New NIL Discussion
(06-30-2021 07:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 10:50 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Dear Memphis Alumni and Supporters:

I hope this note finds you enjoying your summer. As you are likely aware, beginning July 1, new NCAA guidance allows the ability for student-athletes to be compensated for their name, image and likeness (NIL). These opportunities may include activities such as business endorsements, selling autographs, personal appearances (e.g., speeches, commercial establishments), promoting their own business or social media endorsements. Because the University of Memphis has a strong national brand, located in a large metropolitan area with passionate fans, we believe this new era will provide unique opportunities for our student-athletes.

These potential new opportunities will also require responsibility from any potential sponsors of our student-athletes. In an effort of continued compliance and education on State of Tennessee rules and guidelines, here is a list of guidelines we ask external stakeholders to adhere to in regard to NIL compensation:
• Compensation MUST BE commensurate with the fair market value for the student-athlete’s name, image or likeness.
• Compensation MAY NOT be provided in exchange for athletic performance or inducement to attend an institution.
Intercollegiate athletes are prohibited from involvement in name, image or likeness activities that promote gambling, tobacco, alcohol and adult entertainment.

As we recently announced, we have partnered with industry leader Opendorse to equip our student-athletes with the best software to grow their personal brand and to launch our new NIL program we’re calling MaximUM. Opendorse is a one-stop app that allows them to profit off of their individual NIL, while making it easy to provide the proper reporting.

If you wish to sponsor a student-athlete, it must be done without our institution or Memphis Athletics’ assistance per legislation. However, any sponsorships must be reported through our third-party partner Opendorse.







For questions, please contact our MaximUM resource team at nil@memphis.edu or 901.678.3306.

We look forward to working with you to provide another benefit of being a University of Memphis student-athlete.

Go Tigers Go!

Fair Market Value...Who knows what that is.

Exactly. FMV can vary drastically depending on the business, the expectations, etc. Who is making that determination that XYZ services from a player are or are not worth $xxxx to my business?
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RE: New NIL Discussion
(07-01-2021 06:09 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 04:35 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 12:08 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 09:10 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 08:51 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Why would we see fewer athletic scholarships offered? Maybe there’s something I don’t know here, but This extra money will not be coming from the school. It will be coming from local businesses. And national entities through social media. Teenagers are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for dancing on TikTok. Gamers are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for letting people watch them play a video game.

I think this is amazing for our athletes that they finally get to jump in on this. Get tens of thousands of followers, and national and even worldwide entities will be paying these kids big bucks to post videos of them drinking their soft drink, or wearing their clothes, or listening to their music… I think it’s about time. And schools like Memphis in large cities will do very well under these new rules. under the current archaic system, there was nothing we could ever do to level the playing field. As a matter of fact the playing field was slanted against us. As a true conspiracy right in front of everyone of us. Keeping low class Joe (non power conference) down and high-class trust fund schools (power conference) up by funneling tens of millions of dollars to each school from the same television partners who only give us a few million dollars a year.

Now, there’s nothing keeping Memphis’ sponsors from being able to jump in and legally pay players. I love it. And how anyone at a small conference doesn’t like this is beyond me. Because now new money that was illegal as of yesterday is now legal today.

When the athletes end up getting the majority of the conference TV money, things are really going to get interesting.

Money would have to get rerouted. And that can’t happen until current tv contracts are up. I believe the more likely scenario is, the conferences continue to get their usual slice of the pie and we see a whole new industry, so to speak, for the players. NIL money will be coming from different sources. And most players will not get NIL money. Only the top players most likely. I honestly don’t understand why people are making such a big deal of this. All that’s changing, if I’m a college sports player, I can now be in commercials, have a jersey for sale, get paid for autographs and memorabilia and social media posts….the overall infrastructure of college sports and the NCAA will stay the same.

I’m a high school basketball coach. If it were legal, and a local gym wanted to pay one of my players to work out at their gym and be in
Commercials, in order to boost their enrollment, my player would rightfully make money, but my team/program would be unaffected. This is essentially what’s about to happen.

The NCAA is being a bit naive, though, when they say colleges can’t arrange or use the NIL rule to recruit players, lol. Can’t wait to see
the NCAA’s selective enforcement of that rule.

The TV money can most definitely be rerouted to the athletes whether or not the current contracts are up. If they lose this lawsuit, the NCAA (and the member schools as they are essentially the NCAA) will be paying out treble damages.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoda...7777027002

This is a much bigger deal than purported from your response.

I’m not gonna say this is a bad thing. Give them some of the money. Why wouldn’t the players deserve it?

I’m just not ready to predict the end of the NCAA or amateurism like many folks are. Adapt or die maybe? But if the NCAA and individual colleges are willing to adapt, they will be fine. The current system that they have benefited from for decades is akin to having free child labor in China.

First, I am NOT saying that the students don't deserve any money or that the system isn't broken. It is. BUT...

Your argument is so dumb on so many levels. First, we are $50 million in revenues behind at least 40 schools. So right off the bat, we are seriously behind the 8 ball.

Second, a large chunk of the money that will go to the students is money that the booster or corporation will not give to the university. There isn't an infinite amount of money to go around here like there is at most P5 schools. We raise $9 million per year and get $8 million from our tv contract. P5 schools get $35-50 million from their tv contract alone.

Third; and this is where your argument is the most idiotic. For every Derick Rose and Kenneth Gainwell, we literally have 50 times that number of football and basketball players that will never make a dime playing sports. We foot the bill for somewhere between 100-200k for their education, tuition and expenses. Now; not only will the school not have access to some of that money from boosters and corporations directing it at NIL; a chunk of the tv money is eventually going to go to the students.

A P5 school could pay 100 basketball and football scholarship athletes an average of $50,000 per year for $5 million; which is 5%; a drop in the bucket of their tv contract, revenues and donations. $5 million for us represents roughly 33% of our revenues from our tv contract and donations. Many of these schools have boosters lined up to do this, who have only been somewhat held back by NCAA regulations. We have been squeezing every dollar out of our fanbase to get what we have.

When you have a tv contract worth $40 million and revenues in excess of $100 million, you make it work. When you have a tv contract worth $8 million and revenues of $60 million, you are ******.

Quote:But if the NCAA and individual colleges are willing to adapt, they will be fine.

Willing to adapt has to be the ultimate clown argument. We are already performing miracles with what we have.
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Heard on 560 am this morning a list of gigs and how much they are getting paid. The most I heard was the QB at Miami getting a spokesperson contract for $20k. Most were small time. Some hourly rates posted like an hour of my time for $2,000 so who knows how many takers their will be. A sandwich shop offered $100 to each of the first 100 Nebraska athletes who endorses the name brand: known for their cabbage and meet on a bun.

There will be some big gigs for star players. Most will get little to nothing.

Social media $$ will interesting. On-line businesses will be interesting.
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(07-01-2021 09:25 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Heard on 560 am this morning a list of gigs and how much they are getting paid. The most I heard was the QB at Miami getting a spokesperson contract for $20k. Most were small time. Some hourly rates posted like an hour of my time for $2,000 so who knows how many takers their will be. A sandwich shop offered $100 to each of the first 100 Nebraska athletes who endorses the name brand: known for their cabbage and meet on a bun.

There will be some big gigs for star players. Most will get little to nothing.

Social media $$ will interesting. On-line businesses will be interesting.

Can players now hire agents to negotiate on their behalf to help them find more money? They’ll need some sort of representation since schoolwork & practice time will likely eat up their earning/negotiating time.
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(07-01-2021 08:19 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  We have a coach with his own shoe brand... I see great potential for us...

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Our first player to sign a deal...

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ran into a well known member of our bball team at lunch

gave him $100 to sign his autograph on a napkin

did i do it right?
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(07-01-2021 12:18 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  ran into a well known member of our bball team at lunch

gave him $100 to sign his autograph on a napkin

did i do it right?

Would that be fair market value?
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(07-01-2021 12:18 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  ran into a well known member of our bball team at lunch

gave him $100 to sign his autograph on a napkin

did i do it right?

Seems well below FMV to me but it is a start...
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No you didn't do it right. Gotta list on Etsy / Ebay/ facebook/ amazon/

For 25% commission, I will list it for you.
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It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.
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BandwagonJumper gonna become a Manager for our Tiger Athletes and help them manage their OnlyFans accounts for them ... ?
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(07-01-2021 12:53 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  It’ll be interesting to see what details of these endorsements, snd others across the country, come out.

I’m particularly interested to see what Nike and Adidas are paying and how much of it is going to high school recruits.

Nike & Adidas will pour money into a handful of elite programs and pay recruits to go to those schools… this may be a benefit in basketball and a liability in football.

If a kid at a lower level Nike school emerges, would Nike pay him to go to one of their more high profile schools? Could a kid who took money from Nike later transfer to an Adidas school?
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lester should at least get a nair contract



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(07-01-2021 12:58 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  BandwagonJumper gonna become a Manager for our Tiger Atheletes amd help them manage their OnlyFans accounts for them ... ?

(07-01-2021 12:41 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  No you didn't do it right. Gotta list on Etsy / Ebay/ facebook/ amazon/

For 25% commission, I will list it for you.

which one pays more?

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(07-01-2021 04:21 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 12:58 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  BandwagonJumper gonna become a Manager for our Tiger Atheletes amd help them manage their OnlyFans accounts for them ... ?

(07-01-2021 12:41 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  No you didn't do it right. Gotta list on Etsy / Ebay/ facebook/ amazon/

For 25% commission, I will list it for you.

which one pays more?

[Image: cmLFfPt.png]

Heard OnlyFans takes a 30% cut ... plus your fees, so the player gets chump change. I think snowtiger has more hidden fees in her 25% commission.
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