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OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
https://edsource.org/2021/legislators-cr...nia/655522

The California legislature is passing its future budgets, and it does appear that some of the state's biggest public schools (UCLA, UC Berkeley and UCSD) are going to start lowering the number of out-of-state students the schools admit. One proposal was talking about lowering it to 10 percent over the next decade (from a recent high of about 26 percent), but perhaps it doesn't go that low.

I do wonder if this would ever affect athletics at those schools? Or if other states would end up going this direction for budget purposes?
06-27-2021 10:38 AM
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RE: OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
(06-27-2021 10:38 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://edsource.org/2021/legislators-cr...nia/655522

I do wonder if this would ever affect athletics at those schools?

That's what the 10% is for.
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RE: OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
Why would a state do this for budget purposes? OOS students at public universities typically pay a higher tuition/fee rate.
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RE: OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
(06-27-2021 10:48 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Why would a state do this for budget purposes? OOS students at public universities typically pay a higher tuition/fee rate.

It's not for a budget shortfall; it's a change to the future budget. It's the state mandating that the UC system become more available to California residents, even if it costs the state more to do (or, more likely, a combination of that and the schools cutting costs).
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RE: OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
(06-27-2021 10:48 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Why would a state do this for budget purposes? OOS students at public universities typically pay a higher tuition/fee rate.

The states do pay for certain educational costs for public universities. Obviously, the out of state tuition is higher for that reason, but I suspect it's not the actual money but more of a numbers issue - states like California have such high population and only a few elite public universities that a lot of in-state residents are being shut out of acceptance from the most popular schools.

My guess is you'd have to have a state with a high population and very popular/prestigious public universities for this to be a trend in other states. I guess I am curious if UT or TAMU would ever go down a path like this in the future? Maybe it would be an issue for Michigan, Ohio State, Virginia, North Carolina, etc., but I don't know if those schools/states have an issue with too much demand as all of those schools are in states with considerably smaller populations than California or Texas.
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RE: OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
(06-27-2021 10:38 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://edsource.org/2021/legislators-cr...nia/655522

The California legislature is passing its future budgets, and it does appear that some of the state's biggest public schools (UCLA, UC Berkeley and UCSD) are going to start lowering the number of out-of-state students the schools admit. One proposal was talking about lowering it to 10 percent over the next decade (from a recent high of about 26 percent), but perhaps it doesn't go that low.

I do wonder if this would ever affect athletics at those schools? Or if other states would end up going this direction for budget purposes?

Doubtful.

The UNC system has had an instate mandate of at least 82% since the late 80s and their athletics seem to be doing just fine.
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RE: OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
(06-27-2021 12:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(06-27-2021 10:48 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Why would a state do this for budget purposes? OOS students at public universities typically pay a higher tuition/fee rate.

The states do pay for certain educational costs for public universities. Obviously, the out of state tuition is higher for that reason, but I suspect it's not the actual money but more of a numbers issue - states like California have such high population and only a few elite public universities that a lot of in-state residents are being shut out of acceptance from the most popular schools.

My guess is you'd have to have a state with a high population and very popular/prestigious public universities for this to be a trend in other states. I guess I am curious if UT or TAMU would ever go down a path like this in the future? Maybe it would be an issue for Michigan, Ohio State, Virginia, North Carolina, etc., but I don't know if those schools/states have an issue with too much demand as all of those schools are in states with considerably smaller populations than California or Texas.

I also don't recall California having a similar "Top 10% of Graduating High School Class" acceptance mandate that Texas state schools do. I know it's been tweaked from that simple policy when I graduated, but I don't think anybody in California could point to some high school metrics that guaranteed admissions the same way Texans could.
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RE: OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
well, in about 15 years when the fertility bust starts to hit, they will be begging for out of state students. Between now and then, no telling what the value perception of a 4 year degree will be (unless the federal government distorts the market by lowering the costs).
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OT - California state universities starting to lower number of out of state students
(06-27-2021 01:13 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  I also don't recall California having a similar "Top 10% of Graduating High School Class" acceptance mandate that Texas state schools do. I know it's been tweaked from that simple policy when I graduated, but I don't think anybody in California could point to some high school metrics that guaranteed admissions the same way Texans could.

Quote:The updated Statewide Index will continue to identify California-resident students in the top 9 percent of California high school graduates and offer these students a guaranteed space at a UC campus, if space is available.
Source: https://admission.universityofcalifornia...guarantee/

This is similar to the conditions I recall when my children were applying to colleges (~10-13 years ago). The guarantee was that if you met the statewide criteria you would be accepted by at least one UC campus, but not necessarily the one(s) that you'd hoped for.

(Note: This is a statewide ranking, not the best from every high school.)

UC also has a "Transfer Admission Guarantee" to students from California community colleges.

Quote:UC campuses offer guaranteed admission to California community college students who meet specific requirements. Students can TAG to one campus and if all requirements are met, they are guaranteed admission to that campus.
Source: https://www.evc.edu/current-students/stu...ntee-(tag)
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