(12-09-2021 09:31 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:06 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  ...I sincerely hope that is not what Dane drew up

If it wasn’t what he drew up then he better be asking the team some hard questions about why they didn’t run the play that he did draw up.

Where was Carroll in the second half? All he did in the first half was sink a three and have another go in and then pop back out. He should at least have been in on the last possession (no need to play defense), as should have Ayesa. I bet Carroll wouldn’t have hesitated to take the last shot.

We were down one. A 3pt shot should be way down the priority list. I don't want Ayesa or a cold Brandon Carroll. Rice, Yuri, Quinn, or Connor are all capable of beating their man off the dribble. Get in the lane and be the aggressor. A deep 3 is a bailout and exactly what Hampton wants.

Exams start Monday, so, Sunday may be ugly.

With as much AAU ball played these days, I have a hard time making excuses for youth. Adapting to W&M's academic rigor is a different matter.

With 2nd semester classes not starting till 1/26/22, maybe they can start focusing on only basketball for awhile and having fun after Xmas.

(12-09-2021 09:26 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  Running plays incorrectly, unforced turnovers, missing free throws... All point to a lack of concentration and an inattention to details. I'm not putting all the blame on the coaches, but for whatever reason this team isn't ready to compete.

The coaching deserves the lion’s share of the blame...but the lack of any upperclass leadership is playing a huge part, too. We could really use Luke Loewe right now (although I don’t blame him in the least for leaving).

(12-09-2021 09:36 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:31 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:06 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  ...I sincerely hope that is not what Dane drew up

If it wasn’t what he drew up then he better be asking the team some hard questions about why they didn’t run the play that he did draw up.

Where was Carroll in the second half? All he did in the first half was sink a three and have another go in and then pop back out. He should at least have been in on the last possession (no need to play defense), as should have Ayesa. I bet Carroll wouldn’t have hesitated to take the last shot.

We were down one. A 3pt shot should be way down the priority list. I don't want Ayesa or a cold Brandon Carroll. Rice, Yuri, Quinn, or Connor are all capable of beating their man off the dribble. Get in the lane and be the aggressor. A deep 3 is a bailout and exactly what Hampton wants.

I didn’t say that a trey was the preferred shot — but if it devolves that you need to take one then it wouldn’t hurt to have your best shooter(s) in there. The kids obviously are not experienced enough to know what the preferred play is (and they’re not coached well enough to be told what it is, or they are too young to listen).

Whoever it was on the drive (Connor I think?) was worried about their shot blocker. The entire drive he was trying to figure out how to get a shot off instead of just going. I think Connor had 2-3 shots blocked already, so it wasn't entirely unwarranted, but in the situation he needed to go. Part of the play needed to be setting a pick or putting bodies between that guy and the basket so the drive could focus on getting to the basket.

I'm still unsure why we're not running more plays to get Connor in catch and shoot positions. When he gets the ball, it seems like it's mostly just rotating around the perimeter instead of the off-ball screen where he gets a look. He also needs to shoot more when he's got it. At the rate we're turning it over, I'll take a contested shot over no shot.

What was more frustrating to me tonight was defensive rebounding. We had a lot of guys watching the shot and not enough putting a body on a someone.

One play worth mentioning... after we scored to bring it to 4 with about 25 seconds in the first half, Connor contested the inbounds pass, deflected it off a Hampton player, then the ref ruled Hampton ball. It might have been worth a timeout there to get them to look at the replay. Coach Fischer lit into the ref that blew the call at halftime. We were certainly bad tonight, but it didn't help that the refs were mailing it in also. There were a lot of head scratching calls.

(12-09-2021 09:49 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:36 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:31 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:06 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  ...I sincerely hope that is not what Dane drew up

If it wasn’t what he drew up then he better be asking the team some hard questions about why they didn’t run the play that he did draw up.

Where was Carroll in the second half? All he did in the first half was sink a three and have another go in and then pop back out. He should at least have been in on the last possession (no need to play defense), as should have Ayesa. I bet Carroll wouldn’t have hesitated to take the last shot.

We were down one. A 3pt shot should be way down the priority list. I don't want Ayesa or a cold Brandon Carroll. Rice, Yuri, Quinn, or Connor are all capable of beating their man off the dribble. Get in the lane and be the aggressor. A deep 3 is a bailout and exactly what Hampton wants.

I didn’t say that a trey was the preferred shot — but if it devolves that you need to take one then it wouldn’t hurt to have your best shooter(s) in there. The kids obviously are not experienced enough to know what the preferred play is (and they’re not coached well enough to be told what it is, or they are too young to listen).

Based on what I saw from Carroll tonight, he doesn't seem comfortable in the offense. For one play, maybe he'd have been fine, but he was only in the game tonight because of extensive foul trouble.

Look, it's clear the coaching staff deserves no blame because Dane was CAA coach of the year his first season and did a miracle job taking over a moribund program from a declining coach who was hated by his players. It's not the players' fault either, as they're young. It's not Huge's fault because her mission made sense.

It could be Tony's fault, for not winning a CAA championship. It could be the donor's fault, for not funding the program enough to build a winning program. It might be the College's fault, for being too academically rigorous for good basketball players to get into. It might be the Invisible Hand's fault, who has an agenda against us. Or it could be the Fault in Our Stars, the 2012 YA Novel.

Apparently to some folks it's still offensive to insinuate that something is going terribly wrong here. That we need to give time and allow contracts to play out and players to get older. Funny enough, the Venn Diagram of those people saying this and those who wanted to fire Tony after a season of regression is surprisingly close to a circle. I am Team Tony, and want Dane, as a steward of a program I love, to succeed. But he's not, and I don't think it's that offensive to say the current levels are not acceptable and pretending they are is a sorry state to be in.

(12-09-2021 09:58 PM)tribalwarfare Wrote:  Look, it's clear the coaching staff deserves no blame because Dane was CAA coach of the year his first season and did a miracle job taking over a moribund program from a declining coach who was hated by his players. It's not the players' fault either, as they're young. It's not Huge's fault because her mission made sense.

It could be Tony's fault, for not winning a CAA championship. It could be the donor's fault, for not funding the program enough to build a winning program. It might be the College's fault, for being too academically rigorous for good basketball players to get into. It might be the Invisible Hand's fault, who has an agenda against us. Or it could be the Fault in Our Stars, the 2012 YA Novel.

Apparently to some folks it's still offensive to insinuate that something is going terribly wrong here. That we need to give time and allow contracts to play out and players to get older. Funny enough, the Venn Diagram of those people saying this and those who wanted to fire Tony after a season of regression is surprisingly close to a circle. I am Team Tony, and want Dane, as a steward of a program I love, to succeed. But he's not, and I don't think it's that offensive to say the current levels are not acceptable and pretending they are is a sorry state to be in.

Congrats on your strawman.

(12-09-2021 09:58 PM)tribalwarfare Wrote:  Look, it's clear the coaching staff deserves no blame because Dane was CAA coach of the year his first season and did a miracle job taking over a moribund program from a declining coach who was hated by his players. It's not the players' fault either, as they're young. It's not Huge's fault because her mission made sense.

It could be Tony's fault, for not winning a CAA championship. It could be the donor's fault, for not funding the program enough to build a winning program. It might be the College's fault, for being too academically rigorous for good basketball players to get into. It might be the Invisible Hand's fault, who has an agenda against us. Or it could be the Fault in Our Stars, the 2012 YA Novel.

Apparently to some folks it's still offensive to insinuate that something is going terribly wrong here. That we need to give time and allow contracts to play out and players to get older. Funny enough, the Venn Diagram of those people saying this and those who wanted to fire Tony after a season of regression is surprisingly close to a circle. I am Team Tony, and want Dane, as a steward of a program I love, to succeed. But he's not, and I don't think it's that offensive to say the current levels are not acceptable and pretending they are is a sorry state to be in.

Que Tribeintheburg

(12-09-2021 10:02 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:58 PM)tribalwarfare Wrote:  Look, it's clear the coaching staff deserves no blame because Dane was CAA coach of the year his first season and did a miracle job taking over a moribund program from a declining coach who was hated by his players. It's not the players' fault either, as they're young. It's not Huge's fault because her mission made sense.

It could be Tony's fault, for not winning a CAA championship. It could be the donor's fault, for not funding the program enough to build a winning program. It might be the College's fault, for being too academically rigorous for good basketball players to get into. It might be the Invisible Hand's fault, who has an agenda against us. Or it could be the Fault in Our Stars, the 2012 YA Novel.

Apparently to some folks it's still offensive to insinuate that something is going terribly wrong here. That we need to give time and allow contracts to play out and players to get older. Funny enough, the Venn Diagram of those people saying this and those who wanted to fire Tony after a season of regression is surprisingly close to a circle. I am Team Tony, and want Dane, as a steward of a program I love, to succeed. But he's not, and I don't think it's that offensive to say the current levels are not acceptable and pretending they are is a sorry state to be in.

Congrats on your strawman.

There it is

(12-09-2021 09:51 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:49 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:36 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:31 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:06 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  ...I sincerely hope that is not what Dane drew up

If it wasn’t what he drew up then he better be asking the team some hard questions about why they didn’t run the play that he did draw up.

Where was Carroll in the second half? All he did in the first half was sink a three and have another go in and then pop back out. He should at least have been in on the last possession (no need to play defense), as should have Ayesa. I bet Carroll wouldn’t have hesitated to take the last shot.

We were down one. A 3pt shot should be way down the priority list. I don't want Ayesa or a cold Brandon Carroll. Rice, Yuri, Quinn, or Connor are all capable of beating their man off the dribble. Get in the lane and be the aggressor. A deep 3 is a bailout and exactly what Hampton wants.

I didn’t say that a trey was the preferred shot — but if it devolves that you need to take one then it wouldn’t hurt to have your best shooter(s) in there. The kids obviously are not experienced enough to know what the preferred play is (and they’re not coached well enough to be told what it is, or they are too young to listen).

Based on what I saw from Carroll tonight, he doesn't seem comfortable in the offense. For one play, maybe he'd have been fine, but he was only in the game tonight because of extensive foul trouble.

See bold above. You mean the Tribe's undisciplined, out of control, turnover prone offense? No experienced player would want to be comfortable in it. That's probably a good reason why Carroll would have been good for the last shot.

As horrendously bad as the Tribe played, they could have actually had a win if they had made just two more foul shots. Wight definitely needs to work on his, seeing as how he will shoot so many.

(12-09-2021 10:04 PM)Touchdown Green and Gold Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 10:02 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:58 PM)tribalwarfare Wrote:  Look, it's clear the coaching staff deserves no blame because Dane was CAA coach of the year his first season and did a miracle job taking over a moribund program from a declining coach who was hated by his players. It's not the players' fault either, as they're young. It's not Huge's fault because her mission made sense.

It could be Tony's fault, for not winning a CAA championship. It could be the donor's fault, for not funding the program enough to build a winning program. It might be the College's fault, for being too academically rigorous for good basketball players to get into. It might be the Invisible Hand's fault, who has an agenda against us. Or it could be the Fault in Our Stars, the 2012 YA Novel.

Apparently to some folks it's still offensive to insinuate that something is going terribly wrong here. That we need to give time and allow contracts to play out and players to get older. Funny enough, the Venn Diagram of those people saying this and those who wanted to fire Tony after a season of regression is surprisingly close to a circle. I am Team Tony, and want Dane, as a steward of a program I love, to succeed. But he's not, and I don't think it's that offensive to say the current levels are not acceptable and pretending they are is a sorry state to be in.

Congrats on your strawman.

There it is

Leave it to W&M to turn the old saying on its head - Our failure has many fathers, but our successes in the past apparently were orphans.

(12-09-2021 10:41 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:51 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:49 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:36 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 09:31 PM)Zorch Wrote:  If it wasn’t what he drew up then he better be asking the team some hard questions about why they didn’t run the play that he did draw up.

Where was Carroll in the second half? All he did in the first half was sink a three and have another go in and then pop back out. He should at least have been in on the last possession (no need to play defense), as should have Ayesa. I bet Carroll wouldn’t have hesitated to take the last shot.

We were down one. A 3pt shot should be way down the priority list. I don't want Ayesa or a cold Brandon Carroll. Rice, Yuri, Quinn, or Connor are all capable of beating their man off the dribble. Get in the lane and be the aggressor. A deep 3 is a bailout and exactly what Hampton wants.

I didn’t say that a trey was the preferred shot — but if it devolves that you need to take one then it wouldn’t hurt to have your best shooter(s) in there. The kids obviously are not experienced enough to know what the preferred play is (and they’re not coached well enough to be told what it is, or they are too young to listen).

Based on what I saw from Carroll tonight, he doesn't seem comfortable in the offense. For one play, maybe he'd have been fine, but he was only in the game tonight because of extensive foul trouble.

See bold above. You mean the Tribe's undisciplined, out of control, turnover prone offense? No experienced player would want to be comfortable in it. That's probably a good reason why Carroll would have been good for the last shot.

As horrendously bad as the Tribe played, they could have actually had a win if they had made just two more foul shots. Wight definitely needs to work on his, seeing as how he will shoot so many.

I'm saying he looked like he didn't know where to go on offense when he was in the game. The rest of the players generally were moving with purpose and he seemed to be moving with hesitancy.

That reminded me of something I noticed tonight. I was happy to see Jake being assertive on offense. He wasn't very heavily involved tonight, but I saw a confident player that was looking for his shot instead of looking to get rid of the ball. His 2nd made three pointer came shortly after a missed three pointer that was a good look but just didn't fall. He didn't seem affected by that at all, and when the ball got to him and he was open he shot confidently again.

On final shot Kochera got the inbound pass and was obviously supposed to drive for the winning basket. Play was right in front of us and he was completely walled off from any meaningful drive. Problem was he held ball too long before getting it to Yuri for final long three-point effort.

Either get rid of it quickly or call a quick timeout...we had one left. Yuri had no choice but to shoot a quick one.

However, despite all the turnovers, what lost us game was awful foul shooting: just 11 for 21.

Aside from terrible coaching and poor play, I’m concerned about donors closing their wallets and any furtherance of improvements to Kaplan tabled.

Our Athletics budget is already on life support. I wonder if we can even pay the number of maximum scholarships we easily covered just a few years ago.

(12-09-2021 09:22 PM)Tribal Wrote:  #333 just beat #335. We should schedule Delaware State.


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Alternatively, it’s the best possible opportunity to be scheduling next season’s buy games.