(08-10-2021 10:41 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:08 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I don't think the Stats preseason poll has been posted yet, but came out yesterday if anyone hasn't seen it yet. Soft Houston #1 and JMU #2 of course, wasn't sure how many first place votes to expect for JMU but I kinda thought it'd be more.

Their schedule doesn't really look like any opportunities to lose as usual, but if JMU stays undefeated I would think we'd jump them before too long and go in to selection Sunday ranked #1 before the committee ends up finding a reason to give us a 6 seed or something.

Do I have the below right? SHSU is part of the ‘Texas 4’ (SHSU, Steven F Austin, Lamar, Abilene Christian) joining the WAC this fall for football (S Utah joins 2022, UT Rio Grand Valley, a startup, joins 2024). Apparently the Texas 4 wasn’t going to join till 2022, but the Softland Conference gave them the boot early.

You have the 5 new ASUN football members (UCA, EKU, JSU, Dixie St & Tarleton State). Dixie & Tarleton are still transitioning & are still playoff ineligible).

The 2021 ‘WAC/ASUN Challenge’ pits the WAC and ASUN schools playing each other. They petitioned the NCAA for the winner of the 7 playoff eligible schools to get an AQ, but I think that got turned down? Could be 2-3 AT-Large among those 7 (SHSU + 1 or 2 others), but now the Southland, down to 6? football members, and the OVC, down to 7 teams, are probably now both 1 bid leagues, as opposed to the usual 2-3 teams in from the Southland, and the OVC often got a 2nd team in.

Softies 10 game schedule:
https://gobearkats.com/sports/football/schedule/2021

Ah that makes sense, I haven't really paid any attention to them outside of just that they still play a schedule softer than baby ish but I have noticed that on some pages(I can't find an example right now and can't remember where all I've seen it) their conference was listed as "AQ7" and wondered what was up with that. So I assume that means they did get the AQ they petitioned for.

(08-10-2021 09:42 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 04:54 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This is relevant to actual football discussion but is involved with Covid....Does anyone know what the Uni/CAA protocol is expected to be for the upcoming season with regards to testing? Are vaccinated players exempt from tests? Are unvaccinated players required to take more precautions and be regularly tested (a la the NFL)? What happens if 5 vaccinated players test positive but have no symptoms like what happened to the Yankees recently? Would they cancel/postpone games again if a team had an outbreak of sorts or would the schools just play next man up?

I'm hopeful this delta variant spike is short lived like in India (sharp increase and then sharp decrease) but who really knows. I can't imagine the season will go forward perfectly but definitely won't be as absurd as last season.

I will bite.....one would assume since they are JMU students......unvaccinated football players would be subject to the exact same weekly testing just as any other student would be. I see no rationale for anything further.

Why would you assume that? You have heard of NCAA right? If not, they set rules that student-athletes have to follow that regular students do not. Last year, they pushed guidelines that required COVID test each week (not certain how CAA's differed from NCAA's).

NCAA actually just released their guidance last week. I'm too lazy to deep dive right now but I saw that vaccinated players will not be subject to weekly testing - this is a change from last year when all players were tested. It also sounds like vaccinated players that have had an "exposure" don't have to quarantine - which I'm pretty certain is a change from last year when anyone that had been exposed had to quarantine until some metric was hit (negative test? number of days?).

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootba...eason.html

(08-10-2021 03:53 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:42 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 04:54 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This is relevant to actual football discussion but is involved with Covid....Does anyone know what the Uni/CAA protocol is expected to be for the upcoming season with regards to testing? Are vaccinated players exempt from tests? Are unvaccinated players required to take more precautions and be regularly tested (a la the NFL)? What happens if 5 vaccinated players test positive but have no symptoms like what happened to the Yankees recently? Would they cancel/postpone games again if a team had an outbreak of sorts or would the schools just play next man up?

I'm hopeful this delta variant spike is short lived like in India (sharp increase and then sharp decrease) but who really knows. I can't imagine the season will go forward perfectly but definitely won't be as absurd as last season.

I will bite.....one would assume since they are JMU students......unvaccinated football players would be subject to the exact same weekly testing just as any other student would be. I see no rationale for anything further.

Why would you assume that? You have heard of NCAA right? If not, they set rules that student-athletes have to follow that regular students do not. Last year, they pushed guidelines that required COVID test each week (not certain how CAA's differed from NCAA's).

NCAA actually just released their guidance last week. I'm too lazy to deep dive right now but I saw that vaccinated players will not be subject to weekly testing - this is a change from last year when all players were tested. It also sounds like vaccinated players that have had an "exposure" don't have to quarantine - which I'm pretty certain is a change from last year when anyone that had been exposed had to quarantine until some metric was hit (negative test? number of days?).

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootba...eason.html

Which brings me to another question...what type of protocols will students have to face this school year? I assume they'll still be required to mask in class regardless of vaccine status (although I imagine that will be adjusted as/if cases fall). Are they required to wear them in dining halls and common areas of dorms? Not gonna lie, that would really suck.

I remember hearing that the school would try to expel students who were caught throwing parties over a certain size off campus but I can't imagine that was easy to enforce. I'm sure they'll try to do a few scare tactics again this year but if it's off campus I'm not really sure how much the school can really do legally.

(08-10-2021 11:05 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 10:41 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:08 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I don't think the Stats preseason poll has been posted yet, but came out yesterday if anyone hasn't seen it yet. Soft Houston #1 and JMU #2 of course, wasn't sure how many first place votes to expect for JMU but I kinda thought it'd be more.

Their schedule doesn't really look like any opportunities to lose as usual, but if JMU stays undefeated I would think we'd jump them before too long and go in to selection Sunday ranked #1 before the committee ends up finding a reason to give us a 6 seed or something.

Do I have the below right? SHSU is part of the ‘Texas 4’ (SHSU, Steven F Austin, Lamar, Abilene Christian) joining the WAC this fall for football (S Utah joins 2022, UT Rio Grand Valley, a startup, joins 2024). Apparently the Texas 4 wasn’t going to join till 2022, but the Softland Conference gave them the boot early.

You have the 5 new ASUN football members (UCA, EKU, JSU, Dixie St & Tarleton State). Dixie & Tarleton are still transitioning & are still playoff ineligible).

The 2021 ‘WAC/ASUN Challenge’ pits the WAC and ASUN schools playing each other. They petitioned the NCAA for the winner of the 7 playoff eligible schools to get an AQ, but I think that got turned down? Could be 2-3 AT-Large among those 7 (SHSU + 1 or 2 others), but now the Southland, down to 6? football members, and the OVC, down to 7 teams, are probably now both 1 bid leagues, as opposed to the usual 2-3 teams in from the Southland, and the OVC often got a 2nd team in.

Softies 10 game schedule:
https://gobearkats.com/sports/football/schedule/2021

Ah that makes sense, I haven't really paid any attention to them outside of just that they still play a schedule softer than baby ish but I have noticed that on some pages(I can't find an example right now and can't remember where all I've seen it) their conference was listed as "AQ7" and wondered what was up with that. So I assume that means they did get the AQ they petitioned for.

My 1st post was jacked up, fixed it.
-Tarleton & Dixie St will be WAC, not ASUN.
-KSU & N Alabama will be joing ASUN 2022.
-The winner of the WAC/ASUN challenge will have an AQ.

Just like the CDC has asked to remask vaccinated people, future CDC guidance will likely include provisions re-test vaccinated people. Nobody should go along with this.

(08-10-2021 03:53 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:42 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 04:54 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This is relevant to actual football discussion but is involved with Covid....Does anyone know what the Uni/CAA protocol is expected to be for the upcoming season with regards to testing? Are vaccinated players exempt from tests? Are unvaccinated players required to take more precautions and be regularly tested (a la the NFL)? What happens if 5 vaccinated players test positive but have no symptoms like what happened to the Yankees recently? Would they cancel/postpone games again if a team had an outbreak of sorts or would the schools just play next man up?

I'm hopeful this delta variant spike is short lived like in India (sharp increase and then sharp decrease) but who really knows. I can't imagine the season will go forward perfectly but definitely won't be as absurd as last season.

I will bite.....one would assume since they are JMU students......unvaccinated football players would be subject to the exact same weekly testing just as any other student would be. I see no rationale for anything further.

Why would you assume that? You have heard of NCAA right? If not, they set rules that student-athletes have to follow that regular students do not. Last year, they pushed guidelines that required COVID test each week (not certain how CAA's differed from NCAA's).

NCAA actually just released their guidance last week. I'm too lazy to deep dive right now but I saw that vaccinated players will not be subject to weekly testing - this is a change from last year when all players were tested. It also sounds like vaccinated players that have had an "exposure" don't have to quarantine - which I'm pretty certain is a change from last year when anyone that had been exposed had to quarantine until some metric was hit (negative test? number of days?).

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootba...eason.html

No way......I have never heard of the NCAA nor the CAA so thanks for the enligthenment. Please tell me more.............

You asked about university guidelines in your post which is what I was responding to. JMU will require unvaccinated students to be tested weekly. As I said not sure why unvaccinated football players would need to be tested more so that the unvaccinated student body. Nothing further has been released by the university so until then why would anyone assume their was a different testing protocol for unvaccinated football players (which Cig said was 1% anyway a week or so ago).

I wonder if any unvaccinated women XC runners will be tested differently this fall.....perhaps you can run that down for us and get back to us all.

(08-11-2021 11:39 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Just like the CDC has asked to remask vaccinated people, future CDC guidance will likely include provisions re-test vaccinated people. Nobody should go along with this.

Agree 1000000000%

(08-11-2021 11:43 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 03:53 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:42 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 04:54 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This is relevant to actual football discussion but is involved with Covid....Does anyone know what the Uni/CAA protocol is expected to be for the upcoming season with regards to testing? Are vaccinated players exempt from tests? Are unvaccinated players required to take more precautions and be regularly tested (a la the NFL)? What happens if 5 vaccinated players test positive but have no symptoms like what happened to the Yankees recently? Would they cancel/postpone games again if a team had an outbreak of sorts or would the schools just play next man up?

I'm hopeful this delta variant spike is short lived like in India (sharp increase and then sharp decrease) but who really knows. I can't imagine the season will go forward perfectly but definitely won't be as absurd as last season.

I will bite.....one would assume since they are JMU students......unvaccinated football players would be subject to the exact same weekly testing just as any other student would be. I see no rationale for anything further.

Why would you assume that? You have heard of NCAA right? If not, they set rules that student-athletes have to follow that regular students do not. Last year, they pushed guidelines that required COVID test each week (not certain how CAA's differed from NCAA's).

NCAA actually just released their guidance last week. I'm too lazy to deep dive right now but I saw that vaccinated players will not be subject to weekly testing - this is a change from last year when all players were tested. It also sounds like vaccinated players that have had an "exposure" don't have to quarantine - which I'm pretty certain is a change from last year when anyone that had been exposed had to quarantine until some metric was hit (negative test? number of days?).

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootba...eason.html

No way......I have never heard of the NCAA nor the CAA so thanks for the enligthenment. Please tell me more.............

You asked about university guidelines in your post which is what I was responding to. JMU will require unvaccinated students to be tested weekly. As I said not sure why unvaccinated football players would need to be tested more so that the unvaccinated student body. Nothing further has been released by the university so until then why would anyone assume their was a different testing protocol for unvaccinated football players (which Cig said was 1% anyway a week or so ago).

I wonder if any unvaccinated women XC runners will be tested differently this fall.....perhaps you can run that down for us and get back to us all.

What, really? What happens if a student doesn't do this, particularly one not living on campus? Are they going to be sending campus police to round them up and force nasal swab them? Suspension/expulsion if they miss a check-in?

https://twitter.com/GovHawaii/status/142...80036?s=20

Governor David Ige
@GovHawaii

With COVID-19 cases going up, the State of Hawaiʻi is taking precautions now to avert a strain on our healthcare systems. To that end – I’ll be signing an Executive Order that will limit social gatherings, effective immediately.

Social gatherings will be limited to no more than 10 indoors, 25 outdoors. Patrons in restaurants, bars, establishments must remain seated with parties maintaining six feet of distance. No mingling, and masks must be worn unless actively eating.

All high-risk activities, such as bars, restaurants, gyms, and social establishments will be set to 50% indoor capacity. Counties will review proposals for all professionally sponsored events (bigger than 50 people) and ensure appropriate safe practices will be implemented.

Hawaii has 54% of their population vaccinated, with 72% with at least one dose

(08-11-2021 11:43 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 03:53 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 09:42 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 04:54 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This is relevant to actual football discussion but is involved with Covid....Does anyone know what the Uni/CAA protocol is expected to be for the upcoming season with regards to testing? Are vaccinated players exempt from tests? Are unvaccinated players required to take more precautions and be regularly tested (a la the NFL)? What happens if 5 vaccinated players test positive but have no symptoms like what happened to the Yankees recently? Would they cancel/postpone games again if a team had an outbreak of sorts or would the schools just play next man up?

I'm hopeful this delta variant spike is short lived like in India (sharp increase and then sharp decrease) but who really knows. I can't imagine the season will go forward perfectly but definitely won't be as absurd as last season.

I will bite.....one would assume since they are JMU students......unvaccinated football players would be subject to the exact same weekly testing just as any other student would be. I see no rationale for anything further.

Why would you assume that? You have heard of NCAA right? If not, they set rules that student-athletes have to follow that regular students do not. Last year, they pushed guidelines that required COVID test each week (not certain how CAA's differed from NCAA's).

NCAA actually just released their guidance last week. I'm too lazy to deep dive right now but I saw that vaccinated players will not be subject to weekly testing - this is a change from last year when all players were tested. It also sounds like vaccinated players that have had an "exposure" don't have to quarantine - which I'm pretty certain is a change from last year when anyone that had been exposed had to quarantine until some metric was hit (negative test? number of days?).

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootba...eason.html

No way......I have never heard of the NCAA nor the CAA so thanks for the enligthenment. Please tell me more.............

You asked about university guidelines in your post which is what I was responding to. JMU will require unvaccinated students to be tested weekly. As I said not sure why unvaccinated football players would need to be tested more so that the unvaccinated student body. Nothing further has been released by the university so until then why would anyone assume their was a different testing protocol for unvaccinated football players (which Cig said was 1% anyway a week or so ago).

I wonder if any unvaccinated women XC runners will be tested differently this fall.....perhaps you can run that down for us and get back to us all.

First, Its wasn't me. Second, OP asked about "Uni/CAA." I gave "CAA/NCAA" answer as student athletes are subject to NCAA guidelines as well as Uni and CAA. To only talk about "Uni" is irrelevant when all student-athletes are subject to all 3.

You first attempt to draw a link from student-athletes to students following the same Uni standards shows a lack of understanding that there are additional Uni/CAA/NCAA rules/guidelines/standards for student-athletes. Your follow up statement "not sure why unvaccinated football players would need to be tested more so that the unvaccinated student body" further proves you aren't aware of the differences.

There is no need to make assumptions, the facts are all out there. I have already provided them via the link so I'm not sure why you are continuing to make false assumptions. JMU, the "uni" in this case if you have gotten lost again, requires a weekly antigen test. NCAA has said "unvaccinated individuals will need weekly PCR testing or antigen testing three times per week." As 3 =/= 1, I am not "assuming" there is a difference, there is a difference.

You need to either catch up or loss the snark bc it's embarrassing how confident you are when you are wrong.

(08-10-2021 10:53 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  In reference to the above, here’s how I see the playoff breakdown for the 11 AQ conferences/22 of the playoff spots:
CAA: 4
MVFC: 4
Big Sky: 4
So-Con: 2
WAC/ASUN: 2
Southland: 1
OVC: 1
Big South: 1 (Maybe Monmouth and KSU both get in)
NEC: 1
Patriot: 1
Pioneer: 1

Last 2 At Large could go anywhere except those last 3 conferences. If anyone gets 5 will probably be the MVFC..

Seems logical, though haven’t fully wrapped my head around the WAC/ASun and their membership yet.

Not so worried about bids this season. Our SoS is good for FCS, and JMU should be in control of its destiny unless we start getting crazy game cancellations or the CAA plays politics with the title again this season.

Some of our toughest games are on the road (Weber, UD). Win those and should be looking at a high seed.

Will be a bit disappointed in anything less than Frisco with what we have returning.

(08-11-2021 11:43 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 11:39 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Just like the CDC has asked to remask vaccinated people, future CDC guidance will likely include provisions re-test vaccinated people. Nobody should go along with this.

Agree 1000000000%

and its already happening

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/artic...380702.php

Stanford among first universities requiring weekly COVID testing even for vaccinated students

(08-11-2021 11:39 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Just like the CDC has asked to remask vaccinated people, future CDC guidance will likely include provisions re-test vaccinated people. Nobody should go along with this.

Hmmm, listen to random internet guy or the medical experts. Let me think about that.

Internet Covid arguments, proclaiming infallible medical data (for both sides), are having their convention here:

Play by Play voice of JMU sporting events Dave Thomas leaving JMU after 7 years to return near his home to Boone, NC. Wasn't sure if new thread was needed, or if this one is appropriate- but always enjoyed his work and appreciate his contributions to JMU sports. Wish you well Dave.

Bring Back this guy!

(08-11-2021 07:25 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Bring Back this guy!

Ehhhhhhhhh, nahhhhh

CHECK THAT

Dave Thomas signaled a new era in JMU Football and Men's Basketball coverage. Nothing against the Schikman but I think we could do better than a reunion.

I always enjoyed Shickman. Hung with him a bit at the old Pharmacy bar before the GW basketball game (where Humpty almost whooped Lonergan’s ass). Mike is a ton of fun to be around. But I agree we can do a bit better.

Dave was very polished. I was actually surprised he was available in Harrisonburg.

Schick was raw and homegrown. He drove me crazy with his early and errant calls. Maybe I'm just getting more sentimental.