Statefan: I thought PSU was unambiguously public? Would they be interested in UVA, a state school with elite academics?

If Notre Dame was going to join a conference for football, it would join the conference they’re already a member of in every sport except football (and hockey, but whatever): the ACC. But like TerryD said, Notre Dame has no desire whatsoever to join a conference in football. Last year was out of necessity because of COVID-19.

(06-21-2021 12:05 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 11:26 AM)Statefan Wrote:  3. Pitt (Private) (Pennsylvania and Eastern Ohio)

Pitt is a public/private hybrid like Penn State and Temple. The NCAA considers all of them public.

If your board perpetuates itself and you get about 10% of your funding from the State you aren't public.

It doesn't matter what the NCAA labels them - the NCAA labels slaves as student-athletes.

(06-21-2021 12:30 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Statefan: I thought PSU was unambiguously public? Would they be interested in UVA, a state school with elite academics?

In most of the country a public university is one where the governing board is appointed by the chief funding authority - namely the State. As far as the old Farmer's High School of Pennsylvania - it was "chartered" public. The Board has 30 members but government only appoints 6 members - the Governor. The State of Pennsylvania barely funds higher education at the University level. Penn State is more "public" than Pitt. Calling Pitt public is bull ****.

In 2002 the Commonwealth portion of tuition funding at PSU was down to about 14%. It's now around 11% iirc. https://budget.psu.edu/Tuition/BackgroundInfo.htm

Then college loan problem as it relates to legitimate schools of higher education are concentrated in NJ, PA, NY, and Connecticut for a reason - those states do not fund higher education like it is funded in the South or the West - via taxation.

In the State of NC you get a tax break and access to some state financing if you go to Davidson, WF, or Duke. That damn sure does not make them public.

When someone says something is "publicly related" they are saying "we are private, but the local government gives us some money so we give them a few seats on our board".

Here is a lesson on the difference between reality and bull **** via the use of words:

School Annual In State Tuition Bold = AAU

FSU - 5656
Florida - 6516
CCNY - 7340
Auburn - 8620
UNC-Ch - 8980
NC State - 9200
Purdue - 9992
Stonybrook (SUNY) 10175
SUNY Buffalo - 10524
MD 10779
Ohio State - 11084
Arizona State - 11388
Washington - 11465
Rutgers - 11600
Georgia - 12080
GT - 12,682
UCLA - 13240
Oregon - 13890
VT - 13981
Michigan - 15558
UMass - 16389
UConn - 17266
UVa - 17798
Penn State - 18,500
Pitt - 19,718

UVa's board is appointed by the Governor - everyone of them but the Student Body President. Their meetings are governed by Va's open meetings laws as corporate extension of the Commonwealth of Virginia. This is public despite the cost.

Penn State has the Morrill Act to fall back on. Pitt and Temple have squat.

All sport members
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Georgia Tech
Miami (FL)
Notre Dame
Southern Cal
Stanford
Texas

Non-football members
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Georgetown
Providence
Setan Hall
St. John's
Villanova


7 games OOC, 5 conference games to fill in the late season schedule, Some Big East schools to round out the basketball schedule to a 20 game double round robin.

I realize this is designing an ideal conference for Notre Dame and we're trying to accommodate Notre Dame but a "conference" also has to consider the interests of all members. Sure, Notre Dame wants a "national" conference. It doesn't mean 8-9 other schools have to play along. Notre Dame would want a conference with USC, Stanford, and East Coast schools. Would USC and Stanford want to leave Cal and UCLA behind and join a conference containing East Coast schools? Would schools like Michigan State or Purdue really want to leave the Big Ten and have to play in a conference with two California schools? If the conference is good for Notre Dame and bad for everyone else, it isn't going to work either.

Lambert Division
Boston College
Syracuse
Navy
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Army

Parseghian Division
Notre Dame
Purdue
Northwestern
Miami (Ohio)
Rice
Tulane

I don't know that this is ideal for Notre Dame, but it isn't bad. They could probably actually make it happen* and even get NBC to air some games. (Not sure it helps their revenue, though.)

* Purdue and Northwestern would be the toughest sells, obviously.

(06-21-2021 09:38 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Here is a lesson on the difference between reality and bull **** via the use of words:

School Annual In State Tuition Bold = AAU

FSU - 5656
Florida - 6516
CCNY - 7340
Auburn - 8620
UNC-Ch - 8980
NC State - 9200
Purdue - 9992
Stonybrook (SUNY) 10175
SUNY Buffalo - 10524
MD 10779
Ohio State - 11084
Arizona State - 11388
Washington - 11465
Rutgers - 11600
Georgia - 12080
GT - 12,682
UCLA - 13240
Oregon - 13890
VT - 13981
Michigan - 15558
UMass - 16389
UConn - 17266
UVa - 17798
Penn State - 18,500
Pitt - 19,718

UVa's board is appointed by the Governor - everyone of them but the Student Body President. Their meetings are governed by Va's open meetings laws as corporate extension of the Commonwealth of Virginia. This is public despite the cost.

Penn State has the Morrill Act to fall back on. Pitt and Temple have squat.

So, by your definition, Cornell University, an Ivy League school, is a state institution even though the NCAA itself considers Cornell to be a private institution, simply because it was chosen by the state of New York to be its land-grant institution. To think otherwise is BS.

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The honest awnser is listed below:

Notre Dame Conference
Notre Dame


But in the spirit of this thread, this is the best I can do.

West Division
Michigan
Michigan St
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Purdue

East Division
Boston College - Permanent Cross Over
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami (FL)
Penn State

Basketball Only
Georgetown
St. John’s
Syracuse
Villanova

Admitedly it’s seems odd to have divisions with only ten teams. The reason I did this was to limit the number of conference games. With this set up their would only be 7 confernce games. Four in division, 1 permanent cross over, and two rotating cross division games. Every one plays every one in conference every two years. This set up allows for 5 non confernce games a year

1) Navy
2) Southern Cal
3) Rotating P5 Game
4) Shamrock Classic - Neutral site game against top 25 opponent
5) Buy Game

Basketball teams are included to for Northeast exposure. Given that Syracuse would likely insist on being full members, they could be replaced with any of the following:

Marquette
Providence
Seton Hall

Notre Dame gets a national schedule in football without crazy time zone issues, and hits the major east coast cities for basketball.

I like the OP list but I’d trim it by 1: Indiana

ND, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Pittsburgh, Penn St, BC

7 conference games, 5 OOC games

That gives ND room for Navy, Stanford, USC, a G5, plus one big name OOC opponent from the ACC/SEC/Big 12.

As a Notre Dame fan, I prefer continued independence, but for purposes of this thread, I'll accept your condition that ND has to play in a conference. With that said, I think you're on the right track, but I would tweak this alignment just a bit.

If we're doing this from ND's perspective, get rid of Boston College. BC considers ND a rival (their most important one, in fact), but ND will never consider BC a rival. If we're doing this from ND's perspective, replace BC with USC.

I'd also replace Indiana while we're at it. Yes, there is some historical significance to the ND-Indiana series, but in football, the two teams have met once since 1958. As a replacement, I would accept Stanford but would prefer Miami (short-lived but extremely intense rivalry in the 1980s). If it has to be a current actual Big Ten team, Northwestern would be a better choice than Indiana.

Conference looks like this:

ND, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, USC, Stanford/Miami/Northwestern

(06-21-2021 06:51 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Your mission should you choose to accept it is to design an ideal conference of teams to encourage Notre Dame to join it. It can't be any current conference. If any current conference were ideal for the Fighting Irish, they would have already joined it (in the case of any conference not named the ACC, before they signed their GOR).

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So the ideal Notre Dame conference is:

Notre Dame, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Boston College.

That's a nice start but I would think ND would prefer a more national schedule, so I would add Miami, GT, UNC, Va, Tex, USC & Stanford

I already did this for Penn State, but it's the BIG with Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers removed, with only Notre Dame added in their place.

There is no correct answer, as ND is committed to independence. However:

Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Penn State
Notre Dame
Stanford
TCU
Texas
USC

Navy would remain OOC. This guarantees rivalry games in California and Florida annually, along with game in the Texas annually. Michigan becomes an annual game again, which is great for college football, and Penn State would also become an annual game. This basically creates an elite national conference supported by top brands and markets.

Football
1. Notre Dame

That’s their ideal football confernce for ND. It is a confernce of one A/K/A independence

Hockey
1. Illinois-Seriously Illinois should have hockey!!!!!!
2. Michigan
3. Michigan St
4. Minnesota
5. Notre Dame
6. Ohio State
7. Penn State
8. Wisconsin

Primary Confernce
1. Boston College
2. Connecticut
3. Georgetown
4. Marquette
5. Notre Dame
6. Pittsburgh
7. Providence
8. Seton Hall
9. St. John’s
10. Syracuse
11. Villanova
12. Xavier - Okay this is more about being a Xavier homer than defining the best conference for ND

(06-21-2021 06:51 AM)schmolik Wrote:  The easy answer would be to pick a group of teams Notre Dame would most want to play annually but if it is a conference they would also have to play each other annually. Notre Dame may want to play a national schedule but can you find 8-9 other schools willing to do so?

That would be the biggest hurdle. The only solution I can see would be to make the conference as small as possible - no more than 8 schools - so that all of them have the opportunity to play all their own rivals every year in addition to their national schedule.

Notre Dame
USC
Stanford (so every school gets to play one game in California every year)
Texas
Miami
UNC
Michigan
LSU (because I couldn't think of an 8th school)

None of these would likely want to play the northeast schools that the Irish wants to play for recruiting (academic and athletic) reasons.

And this conference should be for football only, because most of these schools won't want to play each other every year in the other sports.