(01-20-2022 02:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 02:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:22 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  As I suspected, NOBODY has implied what has been attributed to 'us'. 93, you may have inferred it, but I put that on YOU and your perception of us, which is clearly flawed.... and that troubles me as I consider you to be 'towards the middle' in terms of your politics and also quite reasonable in your tone... I'd say way above average... yet even YOU apparently see comments like 'things are better' and read them as 'things are perfect' when they come from people who disagree with you

FTR I never thought that you, OO, or Tanq believe the idea that "racism is no longer a problem in the US.". I'm sorry if my post made it sound like that was my impression of you guys as it wasn't my intent. It should have read more like that we disagree to the extent where racism is a factor these days. I really felt that #'s had said something like that in the past (I found it so surprising that I feel like it is burned into my memory) but perhaps I was mistaken.

OO has regularly talked about how bad racism was back in the day, as a counter to discussion of anti-racism today.

But to the very crux and direct heart of the matter, he said this just a day or so ago:

Quote:Don't get me wrong - there is plenty of bias is America, from people of all kinds toward people of all kinds, and all kinds of ways.

And I would hazard a guess that isnt the first time he has said that central point.

Yes, I have many times made the point that things are better - much better, IMO - in this respect than they used to be, and more than once that has been taken on here to mean I think there is no racism.

A lot of the racism we hear about today involves feelings (Willy's statue makes me uneasy) instead of actions (you can't come in here). That alone is a big difference.
Another big difference was that racism used be legal and supported by law, as in "separate but equal". Today, just the opposite.

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

Seriously?

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yeah... no offense guys, but I don't really see the point in these responses from you (lad and 93). 93 I appreciate your clarification and apology... truly. We all make mistakes... but you started the comment off with 'some of us' don't think happens anymore. Some is more than one and there are only about 4-5 of us on here. So while I get that it was a simple mis-remembering (pretty sure that's not a word but should be)... but I DO believe that you intended to imply that more than one of us ascribes to that notion, when the fact is that NONE of those you mentioned, including #'s believes that.

I said "some of us" rather than "one of us" because I couldn't recall the poster although I was pretty sure that it was #'s. I can see why you thought it was plural. Again... I should have implied that some of us see racism and still being a significant issue in 2022 and some of us feel that these perceived effects are much less. I am open to the idea that I am mistaken and that #'s never said that... the search for that is too difficult to undertake, TBH.

Quote:ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

I believe the bolded is comlpetely unfair to Lad.

Quote:93, I suspect that at least half of the crap that you get from us is in large part related to the crap like this that Lad spews, in this case, on your behalf (perhaps even over your quiet objection). MAYBE you remember it the way you do because Lad made a comment like this one.

I don't think so.

The spat that you and Lad have is ridiculous and I roll my eyes while reading much of the stuff that you say to each other. It does make me feel better about my frequent equally-ridiculous spats with Tanq though!

Honestly, and I am probably biased here, but Ham I believe you are the one that generally starts the insults when it comes to your discussions with Lad.

In any case I don't recall Lad ever implying that you guys are racist. Just like you asked for a link to my comment about "US is no longer racist" perhaps you could provide a link where Lad did that?

(01-20-2022 05:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yeah... no offense guys, but I don't really see the point in these responses from you (lad and 93). 93 I appreciate your clarification and apology... truly. We all make mistakes... but you started the comment off with 'some of us' don't think happens anymore. Some is more than one and there are only about 4-5 of us on here. So while I get that it was a simple mis-remembering (pretty sure that's not a word but should be)... but I DO believe that you intended to imply that more than one of us ascribes to that notion, when the fact is that NONE of those you mentioned, including #'s believes that.

I said "some of us" rather than "one of us" because I couldn't recall the poster although I was pretty sure that it was #'s. I can see why you thought it was plural. Again... I should have implied that some of us see racism and still being a significant issue in 2022 and some of us feel that these perceived effects are much less. I am open to the idea that I am mistaken and that #'s never said that... the search for that is too difficult to undertake, TBH.

Quote:ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

I believe the bolded is comlpetely unfair to Lad.

Quote:93, I suspect that at least half of the crap that you get from us is in large part related to the crap like this that Lad spews, in this case, on your behalf (perhaps even over your quiet objection). MAYBE you remember it the way you do because Lad made a comment like this one.

I don't think so.

The spat that you and Lad have is ridiculous and I roll my eyes while reading much of the stuff that you say to each other. It does make me feel better about my frequent equally-ridiculous spats with Tanq though!

Honestly, and I am probably biased here, but Ham I believe you are the one that generally starts the insults when it comes to your discussions with Lad.

In any case I don't recall Lad ever implying that you guys are racist. Just like you asked for a link to my comment about "US is no longer racist" perhaps you could provide a link where Lad did that?

Ding, ding, ding.

I don't think any poster on here is racist. To my comment about OO's comments on racism, I think he is incorrect about how prevalent racism is today AND that racism being prevalent today than it was in the 50s (both institutionally and societally) has any bearing on conversations about racism today.

That was my point, which I didn't think I had to be explicit about. But when the absolute worst (frankly disgusting) intentions are assumed, maybe I should type out a few more sentences to make it clear.

(01-20-2022 05:16 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 05:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yeah... no offense guys, but I don't really see the point in these responses from you (lad and 93). 93 I appreciate your clarification and apology... truly. We all make mistakes... but you started the comment off with 'some of us' don't think happens anymore. Some is more than one and there are only about 4-5 of us on here. So while I get that it was a simple mis-remembering (pretty sure that's not a word but should be)... but I DO believe that you intended to imply that more than one of us ascribes to that notion, when the fact is that NONE of those you mentioned, including #'s believes that.

I said "some of us" rather than "one of us" because I couldn't recall the poster although I was pretty sure that it was #'s. I can see why you thought it was plural. Again... I should have implied that some of us see racism and still being a significant issue in 2022 and some of us feel that these perceived effects are much less. I am open to the idea that I am mistaken and that #'s never said that... the search for that is too difficult to undertake, TBH.

Quote:ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

I believe the bolded is comlpetely unfair to Lad.

Quote:93, I suspect that at least half of the crap that you get from us is in large part related to the crap like this that Lad spews, in this case, on your behalf (perhaps even over your quiet objection). MAYBE you remember it the way you do because Lad made a comment like this one.

I don't think so.

The spat that you and Lad have is ridiculous and I roll my eyes while reading much of the stuff that you say to each other. It does make me feel better about my frequent equally-ridiculous spats with Tanq though!

Honestly, and I am probably biased here, but Ham I believe you are the one that generally starts the insults when it comes to your discussions with Lad.

In any case I don't recall Lad ever implying that you guys are racist. Just like you asked for a link to my comment about "US is no longer racist" perhaps you could provide a link where Lad did that?

Ding, ding, ding.

I don't think any poster on here is racist. To my comment about OO's comments on racism, I think he is incorrect about how prevalent racism is today AND that racism being prevalent today than it was in the 50s (both institutionally and societally) has any bearing on conversations about racism today.

That was my point, which I didn't think I had to be explicit about. But when the absolute worst (frankly disgusting) intentions are assumed, maybe I should type out a few more sentences to make it clear.

I think you are incorrect.

My comparisons of then and now are only to illustrate that much racism has been abated, and it is not my fault that some of us want to think that means I think there is none at all.

I think youngsters such as yourself who have never lived in a society with overt racism like we had long ago cannot really make the comparison. If I had a time machine to carry you back to 1952, you would not believe what you would be seeing. Even 93, who is 20 or so years you senior, has not lived in times like that.


Which of my comments on racism do you think incorrect? Let's talk.

(01-20-2022 06:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 05:16 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 05:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yeah... no offense guys, but I don't really see the point in these responses from you (lad and 93). 93 I appreciate your clarification and apology... truly. We all make mistakes... but you started the comment off with 'some of us' don't think happens anymore. Some is more than one and there are only about 4-5 of us on here. So while I get that it was a simple mis-remembering (pretty sure that's not a word but should be)... but I DO believe that you intended to imply that more than one of us ascribes to that notion, when the fact is that NONE of those you mentioned, including #'s believes that.

I said "some of us" rather than "one of us" because I couldn't recall the poster although I was pretty sure that it was #'s. I can see why you thought it was plural. Again... I should have implied that some of us see racism and still being a significant issue in 2022 and some of us feel that these perceived effects are much less. I am open to the idea that I am mistaken and that #'s never said that... the search for that is too difficult to undertake, TBH.

Quote:ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

I believe the bolded is comlpetely unfair to Lad.

Quote:93, I suspect that at least half of the crap that you get from us is in large part related to the crap like this that Lad spews, in this case, on your behalf (perhaps even over your quiet objection). MAYBE you remember it the way you do because Lad made a comment like this one.

I don't think so.

The spat that you and Lad have is ridiculous and I roll my eyes while reading much of the stuff that you say to each other. It does make me feel better about my frequent equally-ridiculous spats with Tanq though!

Honestly, and I am probably biased here, but Ham I believe you are the one that generally starts the insults when it comes to your discussions with Lad.

In any case I don't recall Lad ever implying that you guys are racist. Just like you asked for a link to my comment about "US is no longer racist" perhaps you could provide a link where Lad did that?

Ding, ding, ding.

I don't think any poster on here is racist. To my comment about OO's comments on racism, I think he is incorrect about how prevalent racism is today AND that racism being prevalent today than it was in the 50s (both institutionally and societally) has any bearing on conversations about racism today.

That was my point, which I didn't think I had to be explicit about. But when the absolute worst (frankly disgusting) intentions are assumed, maybe I should type out a few more sentences to make it clear.

I think you are incorrect.

My comparisons of then and now are only to illustrate that much racism has been abated, and it is not my fault that some of us want to think that means I think there is none at all.

I think youngsters such as yourself who have never lived in a society with overt racism like we had long ago cannot really make the comparison. If I had a time machine to carry you back to 1952, you would not believe what you would be seeing. Even 93, who is 20 or so years you senior, has not lived in times like that.


Which of my comments on racism do you think incorrect? Let's talk.

To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I was explicit and clear, but I'll say it in another way. In discussions about whether racism is a root cause today, or having an impact today, or X, Y, or Z is racist today, discussions about the progress that has been made are moot and irrelevant.

(01-20-2022 05:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I said "some of us" rather than "one of us" because I couldn't recall the poster although I was pretty sure that it was #'s.

Please provide source and link, or retract.

Quote:

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

I believe the bolded is completely unfair to Lad.

I don't.

(01-20-2022 07:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 06:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 05:16 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 05:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yeah... no offense guys, but I don't really see the point in these responses from you (lad and 93). 93 I appreciate your clarification and apology... truly. We all make mistakes... but you started the comment off with 'some of us' don't think happens anymore. Some is more than one and there are only about 4-5 of us on here. So while I get that it was a simple mis-remembering (pretty sure that's not a word but should be)... but I DO believe that you intended to imply that more than one of us ascribes to that notion, when the fact is that NONE of those you mentioned, including #'s believes that.

I said "some of us" rather than "one of us" because I couldn't recall the poster although I was pretty sure that it was #'s. I can see why you thought it was plural. Again... I should have implied that some of us see racism and still being a significant issue in 2022 and some of us feel that these perceived effects are much less. I am open to the idea that I am mistaken and that #'s never said that... the search for that is too difficult to undertake, TBH.

Quote:ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

I believe the bolded is comlpetely unfair to Lad.

Quote:93, I suspect that at least half of the crap that you get from us is in large part related to the crap like this that Lad spews, in this case, on your behalf (perhaps even over your quiet objection). MAYBE you remember it the way you do because Lad made a comment like this one.

I don't think so.

The spat that you and Lad have is ridiculous and I roll my eyes while reading much of the stuff that you say to each other. It does make me feel better about my frequent equally-ridiculous spats with Tanq though!

Honestly, and I am probably biased here, but Ham I believe you are the one that generally starts the insults when it comes to your discussions with Lad.

In any case I don't recall Lad ever implying that you guys are racist. Just like you asked for a link to my comment about "US is no longer racist" perhaps you could provide a link where Lad did that?

Ding, ding, ding.

I don't think any poster on here is racist. To my comment about OO's comments on racism, I think he is incorrect about how prevalent racism is today AND that racism being prevalent today than it was in the 50s (both institutionally and societally) has any bearing on conversations about racism today.

That was my point, which I didn't think I had to be explicit about. But when the absolute worst (frankly disgusting) intentions are assumed, maybe I should type out a few more sentences to make it clear.

I think you are incorrect.

My comparisons of then and now are only to illustrate that much racism has been abated, and it is not my fault that some of us want to think that means I think there is none at all.

I think youngsters such as yourself who have never lived in a society with overt racism like we had long ago cannot really make the comparison. If I had a time machine to carry you back to 1952, you would not believe what you would be seeing. Even 93, who is 20 or so years you senior, has not lived in times like that.


Which of my comments on racism do you think incorrect? Let's talk.

To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I was explicit and clear, but I'll say it in another way. In discussions about whether racism is a root cause today, or having an impact today, or X, Y, or Z is racist today, discussions about the progress that has been made are moot and irrelevant.

So the entire list of of my incorrect comments is....nothing?

(01-20-2022 07:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I think the double negative means you DO think that. Or maybe the triple negative means you don't.

J/K I know what you mean. Clearly, despite the grammatical fog.

(01-20-2022 07:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I think the double negative means you DO think that. Or maybe the triple negative means you don't.

J/K I know what you mean. Clearly, despite the grammatical fog.

Been hanging out with George, eh?

(01-20-2022 07:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 05:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I said "some of us" rather than "one of us" because I couldn't recall the poster although I was pretty sure that it was #'s.

Please provide source and link, or retract.

Quote:

(01-20-2022 03:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  ANd Lad, you're just doubling down on defending a comment that even the author of it felt compelled to step back from... thus fulfilling your wet dream of being able to call us racists at every turn. Only someone looking to do so wouldn't admit that black people in 2022 have it MUCH better than black people of the past. That many gaps have been closed... that many transgressions of the past no longer take place, or are at least, vastly less common.... You choose your level of opinion... but NONE of them are remotely 'racism doesn't exist anymore'.

I believe the bolded is completely unfair to Lad.

I don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(01-20-2022 07:39 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I think the double negative means you DO think that. Or maybe the triple negative means you don't.

J/K I know what you mean. Clearly, despite the grammatical fog.

Been hanging out with George, eh?

I would love to spend an afternoon with George. Alas the 300 miles and my health make that impossible.

(01-20-2022 07:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:39 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I think the double negative means you DO think that. Or maybe the triple negative means you don't.

J/K I know what you mean. Clearly, despite the grammatical fog.

Been hanging out with George, eh?

I would love to spend an afternoon with George. Alas the 300 miles and my health make that impossible.

I would love to have beers with both of you guys! The invitation stands whenever you would like to take me up on it.

Lad, I appreciate the nod re grammatical comments. On this topic, specifically, I use multiple-negative constructions a lot; "not unreasonable" is probably one of my more common ones. A crucial one in patent law is "not invalid". And I find sentence structure interesting, as you know.

(01-20-2022 10:18 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:39 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I think the double negative means you DO think that. Or maybe the triple negative means you don't.

J/K I know what you mean. Clearly, despite the grammatical fog.

Been hanging out with George, eh?

I would love to spend an afternoon with George. Alas the 300 miles and my health make that impossible.

I would love to have beers with both of you guys! The invitation stands whenever you would like to take me up on it.

Lad, I appreciate the nod re grammatical comments. On this topic, specifically, I use multiple-negative constructions a lot; "not unreasonable" is probably one of my more common ones. A crucial one in patent law is "not invalid". And I find sentence structure interesting, as you know.

If I am ever in Houston again (doubtful at this point], I will give you a PM and maybe we can meet. But these days for me, it will probably have to be a near beer. I guess you could say I cannot have no beer, else I might become even more of an invalid. Or not.

(01-20-2022 10:18 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:39 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To be clear, I'm not saying you don't think there is no racism.

I think the double negative means you DO think that. Or maybe the triple negative means you don't.

J/K I know what you mean. Clearly, despite the grammatical fog.

Been hanging out with George, eh?

I would love to spend an afternoon with George. Alas the 300 miles and my health make that impossible.

I would love to have beers with both of you guys! The invitation stands whenever you would like to take me up on it.

Lad, I appreciate the nod re grammatical comments. On this topic, specifically, I use multiple-negative constructions a lot; "not unreasonable" is probably one of my more common ones. A crucial one in patent law is "not invalid". And I find sentence structure interesting, as you know.

You’ve provided some examples that I also use quite a bit. To me, there is a subtle, but important, difference in “not unreasonable” as compared to “reasonable,” and the likes. Maybe that’s why I’m a frequent user of double, or even triple, negatives.

Plus, I likely type faster than I should and don’t go back to reread my posts (like that one, I think I’m still confused on what it means… glad OO caught my drift).

(01-20-2022 06:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Which of my comments on racism do you think incorrect? Let's talk.

Since nobody has taken me up on this, the inescapable conclusion is that everybody agrees with me.

(01-21-2022 09:26 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 06:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Which of my comments on racism do you think incorrect? Let's talk.

Since nobody has taken me up on this, the inescapable conclusion is that everybody agrees with me.

I thought it was pretty clear - my comment wasn't that I disagreed with your perspective, I just have never found it relevant to the discussions.

(01-21-2022 09:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I thought it was pretty clear - my comment wasn't that I disagreed with your perspective, I just have never found it relevant to the discussions.

Irrelevant because OO's thoughts about racism were irrelevant to a discussion about racism, or irrelevant because they disagreed with yours?

(01-21-2022 09:50 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 09:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I thought it was pretty clear - my comment wasn't that I disagreed with your perspective, I just have never found it relevant to the discussions.

Irrelevant because OO's thoughts about racism were irrelevant to a discussion about racism, or irrelevant because they disagreed with yours?

Irrelevant because they are irrelevant to a discussion.

When discussing whether something is racist today, the general reduction in racism from years past isn't relevant.

If one of your Rugby players makes a bad pass, and you tell them so, do you think it's relevant for them to tell you that they're making less bad passes these days?

(01-21-2022 09:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 09:26 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 06:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Which of my comments on racism do you think incorrect? Let's talk.

Since nobody has taken me up on this, the inescapable conclusion is that everybody agrees with me.

I thought it was pretty clear - my comment wasn't that I disagreed with your perspective, I just have never found it relevant to the discussions.

You are focusing on my comparisons of then and now, but I have also made my opinions known on the "now", such as my discussions with 93 on perception.

Maybe I should wait and find a young black your age or college age who has been turned away from restaurants and colleges strictly on race. Where, oh where can I find this young person?

Oh, yeah, at Rice, wanting to move the statue. We could go have a cup of coffee, if only we could find a place that would let them in.

I think most of the grievances blacks have are perceptions, and most of the rest are actions from individuals, not government. In fact, I would wonder how any level of US government encapsulates racism against blacks in their laws and regulations. I am open to hearing about it, since I don't see it.

Since any comparison to historical acts is irrelevant, I guess we will never hear about slavery or the Civil War again.