(06-14-2021 12:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 11:27 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-13-2021 01:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-13-2021 12:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 02:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It is an emergency rush job by ESPN to hold onto contracted rights. The money mentioned is 2 billion or roughly a touch over 4 times the revenue of the CFP.

The risk to ESPN is not NIL, but the stipend ruling. If stipend caps are removed or significantly raised and a member, or members, of a conference choose to opt out they will do so without penalty because their initial contract will have been significantly altered by court ruling. Those departures will open existing contracts, including GOR's. This also opens matters for schools in conferences that would have a school opt out.

So ESPN is using the expansion and a lucrative contract to do two things:
1. Make staying even with pay for play so attractive that a Vandy, Wake, or NW wouldn't consider stepping down.
2. To get a new lengthy CFP contract signed before a new one comes up for bid and use the COVID losses as motivation to sign a lucrative deal early.

Rush job....yes
emergency? let's just say that ESPN is taking advantage of their current situation and betting on the political influence of the P5 schools for a positive outcome.
This way they are not to blame if the Big 12 happens to dissolve because Oklahoma decides to look for a bigger pay day.

We have an interesting situation brewing X. The dangled offer is 2 billion for the expanded playoff. The current system divides theirs 5 ways with a smaller portion going to the G5. So lets assume that 2 billion will be divided 6 ways this time. And that the 6th share is split among the G5 while the other P5. Well each share is worth 333.33 million. If the among the P5 they decided to absorb a conference the remaining 5 shares would be worth 400 million each (P4 plus the G5 share). When could all 4 remaining conferences ever hope to add 67 million each for absorbing 8 - 10 schools between them. We are talking a total equal to the addition of a Texas and Oklahoma should each conference add 2. So 4.2 million more per school in each each conference if the ACC / B1G / SEC for taking 2 each and 4 for the PAC. It's the perfect recipe, outside of T1 and T2 rights to facilitate movement. And the kicker is that it won't matter much who you take.

So the SEC could take a TCU and Oklahoma State, the B1G could take an Iowa State and Kansas, the ACC could take a West Virginia and Baylor and the PAC could take UT, OU, TTU and KSU and by doing this the new CFP is worth 25 million more approximately to each of the P64. That's got to give N.D. a lot to think about.

Just based on recent history, I bet you Notre Dame is getting an equal share of whatever the ACC pulls down.

Nonetheless, I see your point. If $2B is the figure then might as well divide it fewer ways.

With that said, as far as movement, the other revenue streams will have some sway. All the reasons we've discussed as far as how much revenue each league can generate outside of the CFP will still have the biggest impact on where particular schools want to go.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would fit well in the SEC especially with the added advantage of more playoff revenue to cover any potential shortfall.

Assuming the XII does split (with no other movements):

ACC + Baylor, West Virginia
B1G + Iowa St, Kansas
SEC + Oklahoma, Texas
PAC + Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech

Texas does not want to go West and that will be accommodated. Kansas/Kansas St and Oklahoma/Oklahoma St will become annual OOC games. Texas will likely play one of Baylor/TCU/Texas Tech annually OOC.

PAC
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington St

B1G
East: Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers
West: Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic: Baylor, Boston College, Clemson, Florida St, Louisville, North Carolina St, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Coastal: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

I doubt that Texas and Oklahoma will be moving to the SEC....the risks are too great.
The biggest risk is that Texas will or likely will become irrelevant... The have a hard time now competing in their own league. Texas is trying to dig out of a hole, the one thing that they don't want right now is stiffer competition. If Texas can't become successful on the field consistently, their overall value will diminish greatly.
The same risk is there for Oklahoma, but it is much less. If the SEC were to get one or the other, I would imagine they (SEC) would be happier with Oklahoma in the long run.
The risk to the SEC is that there could be a power shift (not political) but football to the west. Much of the media success of the SEC is due to the success of Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Florida. With A&M getting better in the west, the SEC may not want another challenger, but we'll see.

(06-16-2021 03:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 12:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 11:27 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-13-2021 01:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-13-2021 12:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  Rush job....yes
emergency? let's just say that ESPN is taking advantage of their current situation and betting on the political influence of the P5 schools for a positive outcome.
This way they are not to blame if the Big 12 happens to dissolve because Oklahoma decides to look for a bigger pay day.

We have an interesting situation brewing X. The dangled offer is 2 billion for the expanded playoff. The current system divides theirs 5 ways with a smaller portion going to the G5. So lets assume that 2 billion will be divided 6 ways this time. And that the 6th share is split among the G5 while the other P5. Well each share is worth 333.33 million. If the among the P5 they decided to absorb a conference the remaining 5 shares would be worth 400 million each (P4 plus the G5 share). When could all 4 remaining conferences ever hope to add 67 million each for absorbing 8 - 10 schools between them. We are talking a total equal to the addition of a Texas and Oklahoma should each conference add 2. So 4.2 million more per school in each each conference if the ACC / B1G / SEC for taking 2 each and 4 for the PAC. It's the perfect recipe, outside of T1 and T2 rights to facilitate movement. And the kicker is that it won't matter much who you take.

So the SEC could take a TCU and Oklahoma State, the B1G could take an Iowa State and Kansas, the ACC could take a West Virginia and Baylor and the PAC could take UT, OU, TTU and KSU and by doing this the new CFP is worth 25 million more approximately to each of the P64. That's got to give N.D. a lot to think about.

Just based on recent history, I bet you Notre Dame is getting an equal share of whatever the ACC pulls down.

Nonetheless, I see your point. If $2B is the figure then might as well divide it fewer ways.

With that said, as far as movement, the other revenue streams will have some sway. All the reasons we've discussed as far as how much revenue each league can generate outside of the CFP will still have the biggest impact on where particular schools want to go.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would fit well in the SEC especially with the added advantage of more playoff revenue to cover any potential shortfall.

Assuming the XII does split (with no other movements):

ACC + Baylor, West Virginia
B1G + Iowa St, Kansas
SEC + Oklahoma, Texas
PAC + Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech

Texas does not want to go West and that will be accommodated. Kansas/Kansas St and Oklahoma/Oklahoma St will become annual OOC games. Texas will likely play one of Baylor/TCU/Texas Tech annually OOC.

PAC
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington St

B1G
East: Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers
West: Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic: Baylor, Boston College, Clemson, Florida St, Louisville, North Carolina St, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Coastal: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

I doubt that Texas and Oklahoma will be moving to the SEC....the risks are too great.
The biggest risk is that Texas will or likely will become irrelevant... The have a hard time now competing in their own league. Texas is trying to dig out of a hole, the one thing that they don't want right now is stiffer competition. If Texas can't become successful on the field consistently, their overall value will diminish greatly.
The same risk is there for Oklahoma, but it is much less. If the SEC were to get one or the other, I would imagine they (SEC) would be happier with Oklahoma in the long run.
The risk to the SEC is that there could be a power shift (not political) but football to the west. Much of the media success of the SEC is due to the success of Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Florida. With A&M getting better in the west, the SEC may not want another challenger, but we'll see.

Yes Texas has struggled this past decade, but they aren't afraid of risks.. UT is too big to be irrelevant. They are all in with the NIL and for the first time in a decade, they are aligned. From the President, the top booster, down to the HCIC Sark. The facilities are being built, the new staff all have skins on the wall.

You know who would think UT/ou in the SEC would be risky? LSU, BAMA, GA, AU..and AGGY

(06-16-2021 06:41 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-16-2021 03:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 12:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 11:27 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-13-2021 01:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  We have an interesting situation brewing X. The dangled offer is 2 billion for the expanded playoff. The current system divides theirs 5 ways with a smaller portion going to the G5. So lets assume that 2 billion will be divided 6 ways this time. And that the 6th share is split among the G5 while the other P5. Well each share is worth 333.33 million. If the among the P5 they decided to absorb a conference the remaining 5 shares would be worth 400 million each (P4 plus the G5 share). When could all 4 remaining conferences ever hope to add 67 million each for absorbing 8 - 10 schools between them. We are talking a total equal to the addition of a Texas and Oklahoma should each conference add 2. So 4.2 million more per school in each each conference if the ACC / B1G / SEC for taking 2 each and 4 for the PAC. It's the perfect recipe, outside of T1 and T2 rights to facilitate movement. And the kicker is that it won't matter much who you take.

So the SEC could take a TCU and Oklahoma State, the B1G could take an Iowa State and Kansas, the ACC could take a West Virginia and Baylor and the PAC could take UT, OU, TTU and KSU and by doing this the new CFP is worth 25 million more approximately to each of the P64. That's got to give N.D. a lot to think about.

Just based on recent history, I bet you Notre Dame is getting an equal share of whatever the ACC pulls down.

Nonetheless, I see your point. If $2B is the figure then might as well divide it fewer ways.

With that said, as far as movement, the other revenue streams will have some sway. All the reasons we've discussed as far as how much revenue each league can generate outside of the CFP will still have the biggest impact on where particular schools want to go.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would fit well in the SEC especially with the added advantage of more playoff revenue to cover any potential shortfall.

Assuming the XII does split (with no other movements):

ACC + Baylor, West Virginia
B1G + Iowa St, Kansas
SEC + Oklahoma, Texas
PAC + Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech

Texas does not want to go West and that will be accommodated. Kansas/Kansas St and Oklahoma/Oklahoma St will become annual OOC games. Texas will likely play one of Baylor/TCU/Texas Tech annually OOC.

PAC
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington St

B1G
East: Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers
West: Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic: Baylor, Boston College, Clemson, Florida St, Louisville, North Carolina St, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Coastal: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

I doubt that Texas and Oklahoma will be moving to the SEC....the risks are too great.
The biggest risk is that Texas will or likely will become irrelevant... The have a hard time now competing in their own league. Texas is trying to dig out of a hole, the one thing that they don't want right now is stiffer competition. If Texas can't become successful on the field consistently, their overall value will diminish greatly.
The same risk is there for Oklahoma, but it is much less. If the SEC were to get one or the other, I would imagine they (SEC) would be happier with Oklahoma in the long run.
The risk to the SEC is that there could be a power shift (not political) but football to the west. Much of the media success of the SEC is due to the success of Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Florida. With A&M getting better in the west, the SEC may not want another challenger, but we'll see.

Yes Texas has struggled this past decade, but they aren't afraid of risks.. UT is too big to be irrelevant. They are all in with the NIL and for the first time in a decade, they are aligned. From the President, the top booster, down to the HCIC Sark. The facilities are being built, the new staff all have skins on the wall.

You know who would think UT/ou in the SEC would be risky? LSU, BAMA, GA, AU..and AGGY

Doubtful.

For one, Texas is perhaps the greatest underachiever in all of college football history.

Secondly, there's too much money in UT for any conference to consider them all that risky. Any league would welcome them.

For OU's part, the SEC basically invited them back in 2011 so that's a moot point.

Let me throw out a scenario here:

Let’s say that within the next year, all the details get worked out and the 6-6 playoff is set to start in 2023.

The plan is really built around the idea of having 5 power conferences.

What happens if we do see a realignment in the 2024-2025 range? Does the whole thing get reworked? or is this sort of Texas and Oklahoma’s way of absolving themselves of guilt because while without them the Big 12’s tv deal goes down the toilet, but the 6-6 playoff still gives the Big 12 champ a pretty solid playoff shot, just not a first round bye.

(06-17-2021 10:01 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let me throw out a scenario here:

Let’s say that within the next year, all the details get worked out and the 6-6 playoff is set to start in 2023.

The plan is really built around the idea of having 5 power conferences.

What happens if we do see a realignment in the 2024-2025 range? Does the whole thing get reworked? or is this sort of Texas and Oklahoma’s way of absolving themselves of guilt because while without them the Big 12’s tv deal goes down the toilet, but the 6-6 playoff still gives the Big 12 champ a pretty solid playoff shot, just not a first round bye.

Keep in mind that a 12 team playoff would likely forever eliminate the possibility of a four team Conference Championship Tournament. That alone could be a deterrent to any conference going past 14 members.

(06-17-2021 10:34 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-17-2021 10:01 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let me throw out a scenario here:

Let’s say that within the next year, all the details get worked out and the 6-6 playoff is set to start in 2023.

The plan is really built around the idea of having 5 power conferences.

What happens if we do see a realignment in the 2024-2025 range? Does the whole thing get reworked? or is this sort of Texas and Oklahoma’s way of absolving themselves of guilt because while without them the Big 12’s tv deal goes down the toilet, but the 6-6 playoff still gives the Big 12 champ a pretty solid playoff shot, just not a first round bye.

Keep in mind that a 12 team playoff would likely forever eliminate the possibility of a four team Conference Championship Tournament. That alone could be a deterrent to any conference going past 14 members.

If a conference's members will get paid more by adding members they'll expand to 16, 18, 20, you name it, members. There's also expanding geographic footprint in the case of, for example, Texas to the Big Ten or Pac 12 (the SEC already has Texas A&M although adding Texas would expand their presence in the state of Texas). California is a great target audience but a geographic and time zone challenge for any conference not named the Pac 12. The SEC has no presence north of South Carolina and Kentucky. As long as the ACC's GOR are in effect that limits the SEC's options but Cincinnati and Temple could get them into the Northeast and upper Midwest if that interests them. They can certainly get West Virginia if they really want but are they more valuable than Cincinnati or Temple? As of 2020, the state of West Virginia's population is 1,795,045. The city of Philadelphia's population (2019 estimate) is 1,584,064 and that's not counting the suburbs.

If ESPN really wants two (or more) members in the SEC, they will make it worth their while to expand. But ESPN has to ask themselves if any members are worth it. If the two are Texas and Oklahoma, the answer is duh yeah. Cincinnati, Temple, West Virginia? Probably not.

(06-17-2021 10:01 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let me throw out a scenario here:

Let’s say that within the next year, all the details get worked out and the 6-6 playoff is set to start in 2023.

The plan is really built around the idea of having 5 power conferences.

What happens if we do see a realignment in the 2024-2025 range? Does the whole thing get reworked? or is this sort of Texas and Oklahoma’s way of absolving themselves of guilt because while without them the Big 12’s tv deal goes down the toilet, but the 6-6 playoff still gives the Big 12 champ a pretty solid playoff shot, just not a first round bye.

I guess the system is not going to be reworked. It would be similar to what happened to the Big East after the 2003 raid. Big East champ continued to get that automatic berth.

In a way, this proposed system leaves a possibility of a further realignment because it didn’t specify the AQ conferences. Also only four champs get the byes. If we have only four power conferences by the time the new systrm starts, the conference championship games for the P4 conferences would become de facto play in games although losers may still get a playoff berth without a bye.

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(06-17-2021 10:01 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let me throw out a scenario here:

Let’s say that within the next year, all the details get worked out and the 6-6 playoff is set to start in 2023.

The plan is really built around the idea of having 5 power conferences.

What happens if we do see a realignment in the 2024-2025 range? Does the whole thing get reworked? or is this sort of Texas and Oklahoma’s way of absolving themselves of guilt because while without them the Big 12’s tv deal goes down the toilet, but the 6-6 playoff still gives the Big 12 champ a pretty solid playoff shot, just not a first round bye.

Why not a first round bye? Don't you think Oklahoma could be ranked ahead of at least one other P5 conference champ?

(06-14-2021 12:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 11:27 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-13-2021 01:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-13-2021 12:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 02:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It is an emergency rush job by ESPN to hold onto contracted rights. The money mentioned is 2 billion or roughly a touch over 4 times the revenue of the CFP.

The risk to ESPN is not NIL, but the stipend ruling. If stipend caps are removed or significantly raised and a member, or members, of a conference choose to opt out they will do so without penalty because their initial contract will have been significantly altered by court ruling. Those departures will open existing contracts, including GOR's. This also opens matters for schools in conferences that would have a school opt out.

So ESPN is using the expansion and a lucrative contract to do two things:
1. Make staying even with pay for play so attractive that a Vandy, Wake, or NW wouldn't consider stepping down.
2. To get a new lengthy CFP contract signed before a new one comes up for bid and use the COVID losses as motivation to sign a lucrative deal early.

Rush job....yes
emergency? let's just say that ESPN is taking advantage of their current situation and betting on the political influence of the P5 schools for a positive outcome.
This way they are not to blame if the Big 12 happens to dissolve because Oklahoma decides to look for a bigger pay day.

We have an interesting situation brewing X. The dangled offer is 2 billion for the expanded playoff. The current system divides theirs 5 ways with a smaller portion going to the G5. So lets assume that 2 billion will be divided 6 ways this time. And that the 6th share is split among the G5 while the other P5. Well each share is worth 333.33 million. If the among the P5 they decided to absorb a conference the remaining 5 shares would be worth 400 million each (P4 plus the G5 share). When could all 4 remaining conferences ever hope to add 67 million each for absorbing 8 - 10 schools between them. We are talking a total equal to the addition of a Texas and Oklahoma should each conference add 2. So 4.2 million more per school in each each conference if the ACC / B1G / SEC for taking 2 each and 4 for the PAC. It's the perfect recipe, outside of T1 and T2 rights to facilitate movement. And the kicker is that it won't matter much who you take.

So the SEC could take a TCU and Oklahoma State, the B1G could take an Iowa State and Kansas, the ACC could take a West Virginia and Baylor and the PAC could take UT, OU, TTU and KSU and by doing this the new CFP is worth 25 million more approximately to each of the P64. That's got to give N.D. a lot to think about.

Just based on recent history, I bet you Notre Dame is getting an equal share of whatever the ACC pulls down.

Nonetheless, I see your point. If $2B is the figure then might as well divide it fewer ways.

With that said, as far as movement, the other revenue streams will have some sway. All the reasons we've discussed as far as how much revenue each league can generate outside of the CFP will still have the biggest impact on where particular schools want to go.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would fit well in the SEC especially with the added advantage of more playoff revenue to cover any potential shortfall.

Assuming the XII does split (with no other movements):

ACC + Baylor, West Virginia
B1G + Iowa St, Kansas
SEC + Oklahoma, Texas
PAC + Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech

Texas does not want to go West and that will be accommodated. Kansas/Kansas St and Oklahoma/Oklahoma St will become annual OOC games. Texas will likely play one of Baylor/TCU/Texas Tech annually OOC.

PAC
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington St

B1G
East: Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers
West: Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic: Baylor, Boston College, Clemson, Florida St, Louisville, North Carolina St, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Coastal: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

The ACC adding Baylor and West Virginia is ridiculous.

West Va is a Hell No for UVa, WF, GT, and Duke. VT and Pitt would both have to be okay with the addition. West Va has academic issues that go far beyond grades. They have certain enrollment problems that cause them to mine the surrounding states for students. You face the specter of a kid in NW Virginia being allowed to play at West Va, when he would not be eligible at UVa, VT, or Pitt.

Baylor lacks a commitment to academic freedom and actively promotes the evangelizing of Christianity. That will not fly with Duke, UVa, or Pitt. It flies in the face of statements made over the years by BC, ND, Duke, and WF.

I could see the ACC taking Iowa State and Kansas before Baylor and West Va.

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Weren't you the guy that said realignment was in the middle of happening just a few months ago?

(06-17-2021 11:30 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-17-2021 12:45 PM)Cowboy Frog Wrote:  The NeW College Football Playoffs do away with the “ Power 5 “ and the “ Group of 5” .. “ Realignment “ is dead


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Weren't you the guy that said realignment was in the middle of happening just a few months ago?

Yes, there’s a thread called “Cowboy Frog’s Realignment Spoilers” where he’s quoted “the PAC-12 is collapsing TONIGHT!!”

(06-17-2021 01:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-17-2021 10:01 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let me throw out a scenario here:

Let’s say that within the next year, all the details get worked out and the 6-6 playoff is set to start in 2023.

The plan is really built around the idea of having 5 power conferences.

What happens if we do see a realignment in the 2024-2025 range? Does the whole thing get reworked? or is this sort of Texas and Oklahoma’s way of absolving themselves of guilt because while without them the Big 12’s tv deal goes down the toilet, but the 6-6 playoff still gives the Big 12 champ a pretty solid playoff shot, just not a first round bye.

Why not a first round bye? Don't you think Oklahoma could be ranked ahead of at least one other P5 conference champ?

I’m talking about a Big 12 without Texas or Oklahoma.

As a Big 12 champ Oklahoma won’t have a problem, but can Baylor get a first round bye in a depleted conference?

(06-17-2021 10:01 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let me throw out a scenario here:

Let’s say that within the next year, all the details get worked out and the 6-6 playoff is set to start in 2023.

The plan is really built around the idea of having 5 power conferences.

What happens if we do see a realignment in the 2024-2025 range? Does the whole thing get reworked? or is this sort of Texas and Oklahoma’s way of absolving themselves of guilt because while without them the Big 12’s tv deal goes down the toilet, but the 6-6 playoff still gives the Big 12 champ a pretty solid playoff shot, just not a first round bye.

Agree that playoff expansion helps “absolve” Texas and/or Oklahoma of guilt IF they decide to leave the B12. All the P5 conferences will be better able to withstand defections of brand programs. Playoff revenues are tied to conferences, so the key would be to keep a core group together. The roadmap would be similar to when Miami left the Big East in 2004.

With regards to a depleted B12 being able to achieve a first round bye…IMO, the top 4 seeds will be teams whose stellar performance matches expectations. Teams with lots of blue chip players and/or previous successful seasons have high expectations. In the Big 12, only Oklahoma and Texas have consistently high expectations. If Oklahoma leaves and Texas remains in the B12, a strong Texas team should still be able to earn a bye. On the other hand, one-time champions from Texas Tech or West Virginia are much less likely to earn a bye. The same dynamic holds at every P5 conference. For example, the only consistent high expectations teams in the ACC are Clemson, FSU and Miami (they are the teams with consistent top 20 recruiting classes).

Maybe conferences will get smaller instead of bigger with the college football playoff expansion.

ACC Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Big East: Boston College, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Maryland, Nore Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia

Big 10: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Big XII: Arkansas, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

PAC 12: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Utah, Washington, Washington State

SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vandalism

(06-17-2021 11:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-17-2021 11:30 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-17-2021 12:45 PM)Cowboy Frog Wrote:  The NeW College Football Playoffs do away with the “ Power 5 “ and the “ Group of 5” .. “ Realignment “ is dead


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Weren't you the guy that said realignment was in the middle of happening just a few months ago?

Yes, there’s a thread called “Cowboy Frog’s Realignment Spoilers” where he’s quoted “the PAC-12 is collapsing TONIGHT!!”

The PAC is DONE


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(06-27-2021 05:59 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Maybe conferences will get smaller instead of bigger with the college football playoff expansion.

ACC Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Big East: Boston College, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Maryland, Nore Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia

Big 10: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Big XII: Arkansas, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

PAC 12: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Utah, Washington, Washington State

SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vandalism

I liked the simplicity of the old 8-10 member conferences but unfortunately that ship has sailed.