(06-10-2021 02:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Have been thinking about this for the past hour. If this implemented, wouldn’t a second tier P5 school have to consider joining the AAC. Let’s use Minnesota as an example— your odds of winning the conference in the AAC are higher than trying to beat out higher resources programs like Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan every year.

Yeah...let's ask the President of Minnesota if he wants to give up $40M for an off chance of making a playoff every 4th year.

(06-10-2021 02:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Have been thinking about this for the past hour. If this implemented, wouldn’t a second tier P5 school have to consider joining the AAC. Let’s use Minnesota as an example— your odds of winning the conference in the AAC are higher than trying to beat out higher resources programs like Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan every year.

Nope. They aren’t leaving their big money behind, plus they can aspire to make it to the top 12 once in awhile. Those teams already have less shot at NY6 bowl than the AAC champ and they aren’t knocking on our doors neither would they increase our team payouts.

(06-10-2021 01:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:15 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this doesn't get BYU in the conference, nothing will.

Their road map to a championship, as an independent, is go undefeated AND rank in the top 12 at the worst.

By joining the AAC, win the conference and they are in more times than not. Not to mention (besides money) the incentive to be in a "P5" conference is reduced now.

Yep...this seemingly starts the ticking clock for BYU to join a conference, but one would argue the MWC would make more sense as an easier road most years (and a closer geographic conference). Only reason to join the AAC would be if they moved for 6 automatic bids to be in the P5+AAC. I think it's far more interesting to think of how this might force ND's hand too though.

Maybe. However, there is another way to look at it. Currently, BYU is saying "no" to the AAC invite with BYU's only access to the playoff being one of 4 "at large" bids to the playoff. Under the new system, there would be SIX "at large" slots for the playoff. So, technically, BYU's indy path would ALSO be better than it is now. Given the whole Utah vs BYU prestige thing---that expansion in the "at large" pool might be enough to keep them indy.

They would have to be in the Top 10 to get even a chance at an at large...they've been in the Top 10 exactly once in the last 18 years.

(06-10-2021 12:08 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  to be fair and eliminate all questions of fairness 16 teams (12 conference champs + 4 at-large)

There are only 10 conferences.

Regarding BYU—-

An at large bid means finishing in the top 11

A 6th best conference champ means finishing in the top 16-18.

If they get an at large bid they get to keep all their money. A top 6 champ means sharing.

I think BYU takes their chances as an independent.

(06-10-2021 02:09 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Have been thinking about this for the past hour. If this implemented, wouldn’t a second tier P5 school have to consider joining the AAC. Let’s use Minnesota as an example— your odds of winning the conference in the AAC are higher than trying to beat out higher resources programs like Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan every year.

They are never giving up the money.

I'd have argued WVU might have considered it more than Minnesota.

Mind you, I don't think WVU would do it. But if I'm Aresco, I'm at least making the call. They're a giant fish out of water in the Big 12. Moving into the AAC means they have road trips to Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, Navy (for football), Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, Central Florida and South Florida (the latter two of whom are in WVU's primary recruiting base) that are all less than 1,000 miles and closer than Oklahoma and Texas. And would give them a MUCH better chance of reaching a playoff (and returning to football relevance) than hoping to get the table crumbs after the Sooners and Longhorns take their share...

Again, I don't think they'd go for it. But I'd force them to turn it down if I were Aresco...

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Per Mustache, this is a done deal.

(06-10-2021 02:26 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Regarding BYU—-

An at large bid means finishing in the top 11

A 6th best conference champ means finishing in the top 16-18.

If they get an at large bid they get to keep all their money. A top 6 champ means sharing.

I think BYU takes their chances as an independent.

But actually GETTING an at large bid is much more difficult in practice, and depends on so much you can't control.

To get an at large, you need to have solid coaching, talent, a great schedule, and sometimes favorable results from other teams ranked above you, all in the same season. You also cannot afford to lose more than a single game, and if you do it had better be to a top opponent or the perception is you're not top ten (or eleven) material.

In the AAC, in most years, "win and you're in." One early loss doesn't mean anything if you get your stuff together in conference. Every conference game is valuable, and you know no matter what you're most likely getting a cut of the playoff pie every year.

I'll boil down the hypothetical even further. If I offered you a guaranteed $400 every month, or a 5% chance each month at $4,800, what are you taking?

(06-09-2021 09:42 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  If they expand to 12 Aresco needs to earn his paycheck and get us an auto-bid. But we also need to get the G5 spot and win the next two seasons.

If you think about it the AAC has just as many playoff wins under this current system as the Big 12.

No conference has an auto bid under the new proposal...it's possible that two G5s could occasionally be in the six highest ranked conference champions under this new proposal....most likely ahead of a weak PAC 12 conference champion.

(06-10-2021 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this doesn't get BYU in the conference, nothing will.

Their road map to a championship, as an independent, is go undefeated AND rank in the top 12 at the worst.

By joining the AAC, win the conference and they are in more times than not. Not to mention (besides money) the incentive to be in a "P5" conference is reduced now.

Question is...would we even WANT BYU in the AAC under this new playoff structure?

Unless it increases the per-team payout significantly, I say no.

(06-10-2021 03:09 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this doesn't get BYU in the conference, nothing will.

Their road map to a championship, as an independent, is go undefeated AND rank in the top 12 at the worst.

By joining the AAC, win the conference and they are in more times than not. Not to mention (besides money) the incentive to be in a "P5" conference is reduced now.

Question is...would we even WANT BYU in the AAC under this new playoff structure?

Unless it increases the per-team payout significantly, I say no.

Absolutely. Would increase our revenue, help the strength of the conference, gives us a national brand, and also solves our unbalanced scheduling issue.

(06-10-2021 03:09 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this doesn't get BYU in the conference, nothing will.

Their road map to a championship, as an independent, is go undefeated AND rank in the top 12 at the worst.

By joining the AAC, win the conference and they are in more times than not. Not to mention (besides money) the incentive to be in a "P5" conference is reduced now.

Question is...would we even WANT BYU in the AAC under this new playoff structure?

Unless it increases the per-team payout significantly, I say no.

You still want a strong addition to boost the strength of your conference to lockdown that 6th spot every year. And there's no way BYU wouldn't add to the contract's bottom line.

And at the end of the day, I'd rather watch UH play BYU in a conference game than Directional Who Cares State Technical College.

(06-10-2021 03:14 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 03:09 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this doesn't get BYU in the conference, nothing will.

Their road map to a championship, as an independent, is go undefeated AND rank in the top 12 at the worst.

By joining the AAC, win the conference and they are in more times than not. Not to mention (besides money) the incentive to be in a "P5" conference is reduced now.

Question is...would we even WANT BYU in the AAC under this new playoff structure?

Unless it increases the per-team payout significantly, I say no.

You still want a strong addition to boost the strength of your conference to lockdown that 6th spot every year. And there's no way BYU wouldn't add to the contract's bottom line.

And at the end of the day, I'd rather watch UH play BYU in a conference game than Directional Who Cares State Technical College.

To add to the above, it would be better to have BYU in the AAC then to watch them join the MWC. They would undoubtedly add to our Strength of Schedule and deprive the MWC from adding to theirs.

I'll also say that the timing of Boise State no longer being considered for AAC membership right before this proposal is announced is... interesting.

From a playoff standpoint, this essentially makes the P6 a reality for the AAC.

That in turn increases fan interest at AAC schools...which increases TV ratings...which hopefully will result in more TV money at some point.

(06-10-2021 03:17 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  From a playoff standpoint, this essentially makes the P6 a reality for the AAC.

That in turn increases fan interest at AAC schools...which increases TV ratings...which hopefully will result in more TV money at some point.

Your words to ESPN's ears!!!

I don't know about anyone else but, I'm getting excited for next season.

Let mayhem ensue and the AAC rise from within.

This playoff format helps AAC schools more than anyone else, as now we have a clear path to the playoffs every year. We could even potentially have 2 teams in the CFP, if let’s say UCF is top ten and beats top ten Cincy in the CCG…

The more I think about this, the more excited I get for what this proposal could mean for the AAC. Instead of settling for a body to get to 12, we can hold all the cards depending on what the conference wants.

We can go to 12 with BYU and have a pretty good case at top 6 every year. BYU can't play hardball, because we can threaten a decapitation strike on the MWC and take Boise, SDSU, and CSU/AF/whoever, and their alternative is a weak MWC that's probably at CUSA level or wallowing in independence.

Or if 14 is the game, we can take Boise, SDSU and BYU and basically be undisputed top 6 year in year out. We'll have pick of the litter bc other schools don't want to chance being left out.

(06-10-2021 02:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Have been thinking about this for the past hour. If this implemented, wouldn’t a second tier P5 school have to consider joining the AAC. Let’s use Minnesota as an example— your odds of winning the conference in the AAC are higher than trying to beat out higher resources programs like Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan every year.

Actually this is good reason for Temple to "bite the bolete" and fire Rod Carey and put the team back in a position to win the AAC.