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Covington was a nasty person, former slaver.
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(06-09-2021 01:00 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Regardless of true reason I think it's a great move, but why didn't this do this before they joined D1/WAC?

Because a decade ago, they were a junior college that didn't have any ambitions outside of Washington County, Utah. As the school grew, their mission changed, and a charge to serve a larger, regional student base doesn't line up with a very provincial name.

If Dixie State was still Dixie Junior College or whatever nobody would care. Anybody who thinks this is a huge woke thing doesn't know anything about Utah politics, Mormonism, or the state.
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Man, some of y'all are getting caught up in the "wokeness" when really it's a very pragmatic move. Utah Tech sounds more prestigious and does a better job at conveying where the university is and what it teaches than Dixie St does. It's an easy move. Get out of your own way with this one and don't overthink it.
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(06-10-2021 09:23 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man, some of y'all are getting caught up in the "wokeness" when really it's a very pragmatic move. Utah Tech sounds more prestigious and does a better job at conveying where the university is and what it teaches than Dixie St does. It's an easy move. Get out of your own way with this one and don't overthink it.

^^^This.
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Gotta somehow spin this so that my polarized part of the political spectrum can claim to be a victim!
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(06-10-2021 09:23 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man, some of y'all are getting caught up in the "wokeness" when really it's a very pragmatic move. Utah Tech sounds more prestigious and does a better job at conveying where the university is and what it teaches than Dixie St does. It's an easy move. Get out of your own way with this one and don't overthink it.

Wokeness IS the reason it is being thought about.

It can still be pragmatic when the reason you first started thinking about it is stupid.
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(06-11-2021 01:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-10-2021 09:23 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man, some of y'all are getting caught up in the "wokeness" when really it's a very pragmatic move. Utah Tech sounds more prestigious and does a better job at conveying where the university is and what it teaches than Dixie St does. It's an easy move. Get out of your own way with this one and don't overthink it.

Wokeness IS the reason it is being thought about.

It can still be pragmatic when the reason you first started thinking about it is stupid.

Having a place named "Dixie State" in ******* Utah is stupid. Changing the name away from that is smart.

Holy hell do some people get riled about about literally any change that happens ever. People just scream "WOKE" and "CANCEL CULTURE" about anything. They weren't forced to change their name, they're just going to do it because it'll result in more students, and therefore more money, coming their way. Woke has nothing to do with it. It's just people realizing their name is confusing and that they have a chance to make it much better. Were there any protests, social media drives, or anything about their name? I don't recall any, so it's hard to justify saying this is "woke"
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(06-11-2021 01:38 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 01:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-10-2021 09:23 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man, some of y'all are getting caught up in the "wokeness" when really it's a very pragmatic move. Utah Tech sounds more prestigious and does a better job at conveying where the university is and what it teaches than Dixie St does. It's an easy move. Get out of your own way with this one and don't overthink it.

Wokeness IS the reason it is being thought about.

It can still be pragmatic when the reason you first started thinking about it is stupid.

Having a place named "Dixie State" in ******* Utah is stupid. Changing the name away from that is smart.

Holy hell do some people get riled about about literally any change that happens ever. People just scream "WOKE" and "CANCEL CULTURE" about anything. They weren't forced to change their name, they're just going to do it because it'll result in more students, and therefore more money, coming their way. Woke has nothing to do with it. It's just people realizing their name is confusing and that they have a chance to make it much better. Were there any protests, social media drives, or anything about their name? I don't recall any, so it's hard to justify saying this is "woke"

I 100% support this name change. I usually oppose or grumble at these sorts of name changes. But woke schmoke, Utah Tech >>> Dixie State (Utah). Weber STate should be mad they didn't think of doing this. Now it's too late.

But it is definitely a "woke" move:
Quote:It follows recommendations by focus groups and community surveys that concluded it was time to remove the name, because its connotation with the Civil War Confederacy was hurting the school's image.
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news...ame-change
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You guys are mislabelling "woke" to a wider politicized meaning. (Ironic as it is a political movement)

Woke should be more narrowly focused on ideological purity movement that seeks cult like thought control.

It should not be applied to broader reform movements that are not aiming for such thought control nor limiting of 1st amendment rights for political aims. There has been a steady movement in the US, from long before critical theory crept into progressive organizations, that has broad support, to remove many Wilsonian era statues and monuments.

To label every such thing woke is overreach. When I think of woke and wokies, I am thinking of those who act like the Red Guards of Mao's cultural revolution, and who are caught up in a pseudo-religious political cult movement that aims at thought control, which cancels people (very cult like behavior) and rigidly enforces mindless conformity.

Fellow travelers might be a term you want to revive. But woke doesn't apply here IMO.

Note, if you over apply the term it will become as meaningless as "liberal" or "conservative" or "socialist" in a few years. You normalize it by stretching it's meaning, and it goes from being a sharp cutting knife to a dull bladed butter knife.
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(06-11-2021 02:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  You guys are mislabelling "woke" to a wider politicized meaning. (Ironic as it is a political movement)

Woke should be more narrowly focused on ideological purity movement that seeks cult like thought control.

It should not be applied to broader reform movements that are not aiming for such thought control nor limiting of 1st amendment rights for political aims. There has been a steady movement in the US, from long before critical theory crept into progressive organizations, that has broad support, to remove many Wilsonian era statues and monuments.

To label every such thing woke is overreach. When I think of woke and wokies, I am thinking of those who act like the Red Guards of Mao's cultural revolution, and who are caught up in a pseudo-religious political cult movement that aims at thought control, which cancels people (very cult like behavior) and rigidly enforces mindless conformity.

Fellow travelers might be a term you want to revive. But woke doesn't apply here IMO.

Note, if you over apply the term it will become as meaningless as "liberal" or "conservative" or "socialist" in a few years. You normalize it by stretching it's meaning, and it goes from being a sharp cutting knife to a dull bladed butter knife.

This is what I was trying to say. No one forced them to do this change. There was no cult like "you need to change or else we protest" - they decided to do it on their own and of their own accord for their own reasons.

They could have kept it, but they decided not to. That it matched up with opinions on a poll doesn't mean anything, as the poll wasn't a binding thing. They were already in the process of changing their name, and wanted external opinions to see what rebrand would have the best potential. It's not "woke", it's the practical choice.

If someone says "I'm changing the name because it'll help my image and I'm really not that attached to the current one in the first place" you shouldn't jump in and try to stop them or guilt them into it - it's their decision to make. By having the response of "this is cancel culture/woke and a terrible thing because of that" you're doing the very thing you're getting angry about: trying to make someone do something for your reasons instead of letting them do something for their reasons. Again, they wanted to rebrand to make it a more nationally focused university (says so in the link to the focus group results). 65% said removing Dixie would have the best impact, they agreed. Time to move on.


What would have made this "woke": they weren't planning on a name change or rebrand, and people tried to force them into one by protesting and boycotting them. Trying to bring it up nationally into guilting them into the decision they wanted.
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Well, there is a movement afoot to remove names, references, etc to anything related to the Confedaracy at multiple other colleges and universities, so its not unrealistic for Dixie States situation to at least be referenced along side those numerous others.
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I don't know what conclusions you all are coming to, but even if/when Dixie St. becomes Utah Tech, recent events are absolutely a factor for the school changing the name. Since last year, there have been numerous articles about the name being problematic because it doesn't make sense for a school in Utah (a hospital in St. George recently dropped the Dixie name as well), is a reference to the Old South (and therefore, slavery), or that graduates of the school who move out of state have a tough time explaining what school they went to. Are "Utah Tech" or "University of St. George" better names? Absolutely. However, you would be foolish to think that relieving themselves of the Dixie name is entirely based on the growth of the school.
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