Two things:

1. Conferences like the MWC and SBC do not want any more mouths to feed. They are not going to pluck WAC FBS schools just to prevent a WAC FBS conference. In fact, I'm sure they would welcome another western based FBS conference to able to schedule with.

2. The new CFP timing has no bearing. If the CFP did not include all FBS conferences, they would be in violation of antitrust laws. There is even a possibility that the WAC's FBS golden ticket would ensure they are part of any CFP agreement. I don't see this as an issue.

(06-14-2021 10:23 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Two things:

1. Conferences like the MWC and SBC do not want any more mouths to feed. They are not going to pluck WAC FBS schools just to prevent a WAC FBS conference. In fact, I'm sure they would welcome another western based FBS conference to able to schedule with.

2. The new CFP timing has no bearing. If the CFP did not include all FBS conferences, they would be in violation of antitrust laws. There is even a possibility that the WAC's FBS golden ticket would ensure they are part of any CFP agreement. I don't see this as an issue.

1. Sure they would, assuming one of the WAC TX FB universities was deemed "worthy". MW wants a TX presence again, their front range schools need it (recruiting, TV money). Also preventing an FBS WAC from being a part of the new contract means more money for them (and the other FBS conferences).

2. Agree, which is why I don't get why everyone is all tied up on the new contract timing. The lawyers would sort all that out and I think it would favor any "new" FBS conference that would come about.

(06-15-2021 02:13 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 10:23 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Two things:

1. Conferences like the MWC and SBC do not want any more mouths to feed. They are not going to pluck WAC FBS schools just to prevent a WAC FBS conference. In fact, I'm sure they would welcome another western based FBS conference to able to schedule with.

2. The new CFP timing has no bearing. If the CFP did not include all FBS conferences, they would be in violation of antitrust laws. There is even a possibility that the WAC's FBS golden ticket would ensure they are part of any CFP agreement. I don't see this as an issue.

1. Sure they would, assuming one of the WAC TX FB universities was deemed "worthy". MW wants a TX presence again, their front range schools need it (recruiting, TV money). Also [i]preventing an FBS WAC from being a part of the new contract means more money for them[/i] (and the other FBS conferences).

2. Agree, which is why I don't get why everyone is all tied up on the new contract timing. The lawyers would sort all that out and I think it would favor any "new" FBS conference that would come about.

I bet they've pulled Doug Fullerton out of retirement and have him on retainer as a consultant An issue like this regarding the WAC is right up his alley.

(06-14-2021 10:23 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Two things:

1. Conferences like the MWC and SBC do not want any more mouths to feed. They are not going to pluck WAC FBS schools just to prevent a WAC FBS conference. In fact, I'm sure they would welcome another western based FBS conference to able to schedule with.

2. The new CFP timing has no bearing. If the CFP did not include all FBS conferences, they would be in violation of antitrust laws. There is even a possibility that the WAC's FBS golden ticket would ensure they are part of any CFP agreement. I don't see this as an issue.

1. You're probably right about the mouths to feed and the second sentence. In the current climate it doesnt look like anyone can be stopped from being FBS if they so desire it so there's no point trying to cut off the head of that snake. I dont agree with the last sentence though. There are more than enough schools to schedule already and having another FBS conference will just lower the cost of P5 buy games for everyone since an FBS WAC creates more supply.

2. The schools involved could change the wording in a way that excludes the WAC. "Conferences currently participating in the CFP" or something along those lines. And since the WAC will be an established FCS conference they will get part of the FCS conference cut of the CFP and wouldnt be able to claim they're excluded. I could be totally wrong, but just a different perspective.

It's kinda like telling someone: your kind can buy a house wherever you like but not in my neighborhood.

https://www.deseret.com/2021/3/8/2231976...ce-the-wac

https://www.kltv.com/2021/06/21/sfa-prep...-move-wac/

Curious, why haven't the plagiarising mental-midget anti-FBS'ers posted a single article or quote suggesting FBS is NOT the goal for WAC expansion?

The eventual answer is “will any of this matter now that SCOTUS has lowered the boom?”

(06-21-2021 08:52 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://www.deseret.com/2021/3/8/2231976...ce-the-wac

https://www.kltv.com/2021/06/21/sfa-prep...-move-wac/

Curious, why haven't the plagiarising mental-midget anti-FBS'ers posted a single article or quote suggesting FBS is NOT the goal for WAC expansion?

Curious, who on here is anti-FBS? Being against FBS and being realistic about the timetable to get there aren’t the same thing. So you can put that straw man away for now.

(06-21-2021 08:52 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://www.deseret.com/2021/3/8/2231976...ce-the-wac

https://www.kltv.com/2021/06/21/sfa-prep...-move-wac/

Curious, why haven't the plagiarising mental-midget anti-FBS'ers posted a single article or quote suggesting FBS is NOT the goal for WAC expansion?

From first article: “ With the addition of the new teams, the WAC has agreed to study moving-up from FCS to the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) during the first year of SUU’s membership.”

So hasn’t been studied yet and will only start during Southern Utah’s first year, which is next year.

From second article: “ It is forward thinking that in the distant future could see SFA on an even bigger national stage, such as the FBS football stage.”

No other mention of FBS, except for “could see”. No mention of FBS studies or goals. “Could” is the magic word of “realignment specialists” like DavidSt. Means absolutely nothing.

For the record, I am not “anti-FBS”. I am only anti-fairytales. The WAC will definitely NOT be FBS by 2026. That doesn’t mean, I am rooting for its failure or that its not possible by 2026 or the future. I just personally believe that it won’t happen in “5 years”. The fact that the article you posted says, they’re not even going to start the study until SUU’s first season; just reinforces my opinion. So the WAC isn’t doing anything this year.

(06-21-2021 01:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The fact that the article you posted says, they’re not even going to start the study until SUU’s first season. So the WAC isn’t doing anything this year.

When the WAC held its press conference, it indicated that it would take place in the first year. That was before the SLC booted the Texas schools out and they had to make a move to get into the WAC a year earlier.

Studying in 2022-23 makes sense as that's what the WAC committed to doing originally (22-23) and regardless of what Todor or others say, the WAC schools are committed to studying the FBS subject. Let me bold it. There will be a study

(06-21-2021 01:54 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The fact that the article you posted says, they’re not even going to start the study until SUU’s first season. So the WAC isn’t doing anything this year.

When the WAC held its press conference, it indicated that it would take place in the first year. That was before the SLC booted the Texas schools out and they had to make a move to get into the WAC a year earlier.

Studying in 2022-23 makes sense as that's what the WAC committed to doing originally (22-23) and regardless of what Todor or others say, the WAC schools are committed to studying the FBS subject. Let me bold it. There will be a study

Nobody is arguing there won’t be a study though.

There will be a study, but the study will advise the WAC to do whatever the WAC already wants to do.

(06-21-2021 01:54 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The fact that the article you posted says, they’re not even going to start the study until SUU’s first season. So the WAC isn’t doing anything this year.

When the WAC held its press conference, it indicated that it would take place in the first year. That was before the SLC booted the Texas schools out and they had to make a move to get into the WAC a year earlier.

Studying in 2022-23 makes sense as that's what the WAC committed to doing originally (22-23) and regardless of what Todor or others say, the WAC schools are committed to studying the FBS subject. Let me bold it. There will be a study

Indeed there will. And a fastracking upon its conclusion. The study is a mere formailty at this point. If you recently joined the WAC, you've already been vetted.

(06-21-2021 05:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:54 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The fact that the article you posted says, they’re not even going to start the study until SUU’s first season. So the WAC isn’t doing anything this year.

When the WAC held its press conference, it indicated that it would take place in the first year. That was before the SLC booted the Texas schools out and they had to make a move to get into the WAC a year earlier.

Studying in 2022-23 makes sense as that's what the WAC committed to doing originally (22-23) and regardless of what Todor or others say, the WAC schools are committed to studying the FBS subject. Let me bold it. There will be a study

Indeed there will. And a fastracking upon its conclusion. The study is a mere formailty at this point. If you recently joined the WAC, you've already been vetted.

What year will all current WAC football teams be kicking off in FBS?

(06-21-2021 03:58 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  There will be a study, but the study will advise the WAC to do whatever the WAC already wants to do.

The WAC and it’s member institutions should be transparent on the study. Want to see why they justify moving to FBS and the milestones along the way that will be critical to the individual schools, conference success. Some schools are much better positioned than others and the study should recognize that.

These studies are normally conducted by one of 2-3 firms and it seems like the results are always predetermined, whatever the schools wants them to be. I have seen many of these studies done in the past and I could have predicted the results of almost all of them.

(06-21-2021 06:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 05:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:54 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The fact that the article you posted says, they’re not even going to start the study until SUU’s first season. So the WAC isn’t doing anything this year.

When the WAC held its press conference, it indicated that it would take place in the first year. That was before the SLC booted the Texas schools out and they had to make a move to get into the WAC a year earlier.

Studying in 2022-23 makes sense as that's what the WAC committed to doing originally (22-23) and regardless of what Todor or others say, the WAC schools are committed to studying the FBS subject. Let me bold it. There will be a study

Indeed there will. And a fastracking upon its conclusion. The study is a mere formailty at this point. If you recently joined the WAC, you've already been vetted.

What year will all current WAC football teams be kicking off in FBS?

Tarleton's first year in FBS will be 3 years from now, based on the guarantee from 2 years ago that it would be within 5 years. The others have been pretty sketch about any details other than saying that they be writing an essay about FBS.

(06-21-2021 09:46 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 06:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 05:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:54 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 01:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The fact that the article you posted says, they’re not even going to start the study until SUU’s first season. So the WAC isn’t doing anything this year.

When the WAC held its press conference, it indicated that it would take place in the first year. That was before the SLC booted the Texas schools out and they had to make a move to get into the WAC a year earlier.

Studying in 2022-23 makes sense as that's what the WAC committed to doing originally (22-23) and regardless of what Todor or others say, the WAC schools are committed to studying the FBS subject. Let me bold it. There will be a study

Indeed there will. And a fastracking upon its conclusion. The study is a mere formailty at this point. If you recently joined the WAC, you've already been vetted.

What year will all current WAC football teams be kicking off in FBS?

Tarleton's first year in FBS will be 3 years from now, based on the guarantee from 2 years ago that it would be within 5 years. The others have been pretty sketch about any details other than saying that they be writing an essay about FBS.

English, please..

Are you going to answer my question IT? When is the WAC FBS kicking off?

This is what I think is going to happen sooner rather than later:
- For the next 2-3 years EntertainmentTonightTexan will still be telling us how this study is imminent which will launch the WAC FBS ball in motion
-Said poster will also still be getting triggered at every mention of NMSU