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Romney-Ryan Republicanism Is Over
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RE: Romney-Ryan Republicanism Is Over
No, it's not. The Chamber of Commerce and Club for Growth disagree.
06-08-2021 09:44 AM
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RE: Romney-Ryan Republicanism Is Over
That was a good read and well done. I've often wondered why the never trumpers think their schtick is appealing. Their hand picked candidates are getting slaughtered at the polls. Furthermore, Trumps base is no longer republicans, its now spread out deeper into groups like sections of hispanics and blacks that never trumpers will never be able to touch.

They are so separated from reality that they actually believe their way will make a comeback. Its almost 6th sense in a way. They dont realize they are dead.
06-08-2021 10:03 AM
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Look ... my list of misgivings with Trump is long. Probably several times longer than the list of things he did that I like. First, I'll give the devil his due. He did things I always ask Republicans to do and yet they "somehow" never ever do: most notably cutting red tape, cutting taxes, stop letting China rip us off, tell our "allies" to actually live up to their defense spending commitments, and staying out of pointless overseas wars. Five major accomplishments I'm in line with. That's better than any POTUS regardless of party in my entire adult voting lifetime which goes back to Dubya. Which is to say Trump is the tallest person at the midget convention, because the Presidents since 2000 could be fairly described as the parade of morons.

That being said there's still quite a bit to not like. I don't like the aggressive inflationary COVID response. I don't like his complete and total f*** up when handed a slam dunk on cannabis legalization. I don't like his propensity to engage in tariff based protectionism to win over union votes. I don't like how fast and loose he's willing to play with Section 230 protections for websites, and I can guarantee I've had dumps with more technical substance over Section 230 than the entire f'n White House put together over the last 20 years. I don't like the constant knee jerk tweeting all the damn time. If he would have just GTFO Twitter he'd probably have raised his approval ratings several points.

HAVING SAID THAT ..... If I am presented with the choice of Trump or Romney/Ryan in the 2023 POTUS primary in SC .... I will pull the lever hard on Trump while cussing that I can't choose from Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. And my mandate for Trump will be simple: Do those 5 things again, and DESTROY THE POLITICAL CAREERS PERMANENTLY of Romney and Ryan. Romney/Ryan are just Dubya 2.0. It's neoconservatism rallying around the cause of "not populism". And you know what got done that I liked under Dubya/Romney/Ryan? NOT A GOD D*MN THING. Nothing. Bupkiss. Zero. Diddly squat. Zilch. Nada. If my choice is between a hyper-polarizing populist that gets it right 1/4 to 1/3 of the time and a neoconservative that gets it right 0 of the time ... that's not a hard choice.

I voted for Trump in the primaries in SC last time after Rand Paul dropped out. My mandate then? Destroy everybody left on stage in the Republican primary. I was livid that with nearly 20 people running only one decent choice was available and they dropped out before even the SC primary which is among the first. And man, that may be the hardest working vote I ever casted. Just look at all the careers he ended of unsavory assh*les in DC:
- JEB!
- "I love the VAT tax!" John Kasich
- Ben "What does Corinthians say about this public policy?" Carson
- Killary Clinton
- Carly "I ran HP into the ground but look at me I have ovaries like Hillary!" Fiorina
- Chris "What bridge?" Christie
- Jim Gilmore was actually alright ... and didn't even make the debates most times
- Rick "frothy backwash" Santorum
- George "GTFO you're lost" Pataki
- Lindsey "Light In The Loafers" Graham
- Bobby Jindall who never saw the light of day despite a lot of history and popularity in politics
- A pod replicant of George Dubya Bush renamed to Rick Perry
- Scott "I have a plan for Wisconsin but not really for America" Walker
- Mike "Well gosh some plain home folksy saying to distract you from how little relevant knowledge I have in the area" Huckabee


So many choices. None of them worth choosing. The one worth choosing (Rand Paul) decided to go heads up against Trump in the second debate in a poo flinging name calling fight instead of the issues where he's strongest. He lost handily. Notice none of these people are around anymore. Perhaps that's a 6th Trump accomplishment in my book: sent two dozen no talent hacks packing for the rest of time.
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06-08-2021 10:11 AM
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RE: Romney-Ryan Republicanism Is Over
(06-08-2021 09:44 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  No, it's not. The Chamber of Commerce and Club for Growth disagree.

The Chamber is indeed in the tank for neoconservatism. Because neoconservatives have no qualms hosing down the private sector with government money if it accomplishes something they want.

Club For Growth you'll find is very hostile to the Romneys of this world. I don't support Club For Growth but they get a hearty thumbs up for selecting the right targets to go after frequently.
06-08-2021 10:16 AM
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(06-08-2021 10:11 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Look ... my list of misgivings with Trump is long. Probably several times longer than the list of things he did that I like. First, I'll give the devil his due. He did things I always ask Republicans to do and yet they "somehow" never ever do: most notably cutting red tape, cutting taxes, stop letting China rip us off, tell our "allies" to actually live up to their defense spending commitments, and staying out of pointless overseas wars. Five major accomplishments I'm in line with. That's better than any POTUS regardless of party in my entire adult voting lifetime which goes back to Dubya. Which is to say Trump is the tallest person at the midget convention, because the Presidents since 2000 could be fairly described as the parade of morons.

That being said there's still quite a bit to not like. I don't like the aggressive inflationary COVID response. I don't like his complete and total f*** up when handed a slam dunk on cannabis legalization. I don't like his propensity to engage in tariff based protectionism to win over union votes. I don't like how fast and loose he's willing to play with Section 230 protections for websites, and I can guarantee I've had dumps with more technical substance over Section 230 than the entire f'n White House put together over the last 20 years. I don't like the constant knee jerk tweeting all the damn time. If he would have just GTFO Twitter he'd probably have raised his approval ratings several points.

HAVING SAID THAT ..... If I am presented with the choice of Trump or Romney/Ryan in the 2023 POTUS primary in SC .... I will pull the lever hard on Trump while cussing that I can't choose from Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. And my mandate for Trump will be simple: Do those 5 things again, and DESTROY THE POLITICAL CAREERS PERMANENTLY of Romney and Ryan. Romney/Ryan are just Dubya 2.0. It's neoconservatism rallying around the cause of "not populism". And you know what got done that I liked under Dubya/Romney/Ryan? NOT A GOD D*MN THING. Nothing. Bupkiss. Zero. Diddly squat. Zilch. Nada. If my choice is between a hyper-polarizing populist that gets it right 1/4 to 1/3 of the time and a neoconservative that gets it right 0 of the time ... that's not a hard choice.

I voted for Trump in the primaries in SC last time after Rand Paul dropped out. My mandate then? Destroy everybody left on stage in the Republican primary. I was livid that with nearly 20 people running only one decent choice was available and they dropped out before even the SC primary which is among the first. And man, that may be the hardest working vote I ever casted. Just look at all the careers he ended of unsavory assh*les in DC:
- JEB!
- "I love the VAT tax!" John Kasich
- Ben "What does Corinthians say about this public policy?" Carson
- Killary Clinton
- Carly "I ran HP into the ground but look at me I have ovaries like Hillary!" Fiorina
- Chris "What bridge?" Christie
- Jim Gilmore was actually alright ... and didn't even make the debates most times
- Rick "frothy backwash" Santorum
- George "GTFO you're lost" Pataki
- Lindsey "Light In The Loafers" Graham
- Bobby Jindall who never saw the light of day despite a lot of history and popularity in politics
- A pod replicant of George Dubya Bush renamed to Rick Perry
- Scott "I have a plan for Wisconsin but not really for America" Walker
- Mike "Well gosh some plain home folksy saying to distract you from how little relevant knowledge I have in the area" Huckabee


So many choices. None of them worth choosing. The one worth choosing (Rand Paul) decided to go heads up against Trump in the second debate in a poo flinging name calling fight instead of the issues where he's strongest. He lost handily. Notice none of these people are around anymore. Perhaps that's a 6th Trump accomplishment in my book: sent two dozen no talent hacks packing for the rest of time.

I enjoyed this. Thx


I agree that Rand Paul would be a good choice.

Just curious... I didn't see Cruz in your list.
06-08-2021 10:41 AM
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RE: Romney-Ryan Republicanism Is Over
And the irony in that statement is Donald Trump’s single most crowning achievement was passage of Paul Ryan’s tax plan.
06-08-2021 10:46 AM
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(06-08-2021 10:41 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just curious... I didn't see Cruz in your list.

It's easy to forget one when there's 20 NPCs on stage you don't want to choose from.
06-08-2021 10:55 AM
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(06-08-2021 10:46 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  And the irony in that statement is Donald Trump’s single most crowning achievement was passage of Paul Ryan’s tax plan.


Paul Ryan would have to actually have a tax plan to pass it. I'm unsure if Paul Ryan is even capable of original thought.
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(06-08-2021 10:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 10:41 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Just curious... I didn't see Cruz in your list.

It's easy to forget one when there's 20 NPCs on stage you don't want to choose from.

I didn't know if his absence meant oversight or possible approval.
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(06-08-2021 10:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 10:46 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  And the irony in that statement is Donald Trump’s single most crowning achievement was passage of Paul Ryan’s tax plan.


Paul Ryan would have to actually have a tax plan to pass it. I'm unsure if Paul Ryan is even capable of original thought.

Ryan's tax plan was the best thing about him.

That's one thing Trump did: he took the best ideas of the Bush-Ryan-Romney version of conservativism (like being low-tax, pro-life, and anti-regulation) and married it to best of the populist policies (like being anti-foreign interventions and anti-China) that blue-collar Democrats liked.


But Trumpism's problem is Trump's leadership style. Take COVID, for example. Policy-wise, his response was 100% on-the-money. But rather than rise above governors who tried to score political points by disagreeing with those policies, Trump engaged in personal vendettas against them and turned basic scientific questions into tests of personal loyalty.

Compare that response to W's after 9/11 (and remember, the MSM hated W just as much as they hate Trump). W made it clear that he was listening to everyone, even if he would eventually ignore people who disagreed with him. And when people disagreed with him, Bush pretended that it as an honest difference-of-opinion (even if it wasn't). As a result, everyone followed him.


That difference in leadership style is why the outcome from 9-11 was a nation united, and the outcome from COVID was a nation divided.


* edit - poor leadership style also explains why Obama divided people. His approach to disagreements was to tell you why you're wrong, and then to imply that you're stupid if you still disagree with him after his explanation.
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