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(06-08-2021 06:47 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  What if the fee was 10 million and the conference then used that as start-up money to create a high playing bowl that would have a payout large enough to attract a quality P5 opponent? THATS a long term investment in the conference that could potentially pay dividends to its membership for decades.

LOL, Memphis tried that, and the Big 12 said go invest in your faculty and reasearch

Memphis' research is better than TCU's, and probably Baylor's. In 2017 Memphis spent 7 times as much on research as TCU did, and a little less than twice what Baylor did.

Baylor is trying to become an R1 though, so that may have changed.
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(06-08-2021 09:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Memphis' research is better than TCU's, and probably Baylor's. In 2017 Memphis spent 7 times as much on research as TCU did, and a little less than twice what Baylor did.

TCU is not much of a research university, but Memphis has obvious advantages with the FedEx Institute. TCU has 113 majors and they are oversubscribed in some fields where they do not have any clear excellence.

Overall, it's tough to build a case for R1 status without engineering and applied sciences. Georgetown has neither and it's a tough slog to stay R1.
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(06-08-2021 10:14 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 09:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Memphis' research is better than TCU's, and probably Baylor's. In 2017 Memphis spent 7 times as much on research as TCU did, and a little less than twice what Baylor did.

TCU is not much of a research university, but Memphis has obvious advantages with the FedEx Institute.

TCU and Baylor are also top-80 schools for UG.
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(06-08-2021 10:14 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 09:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Memphis' research is better than TCU's, and probably Baylor's. In 2017 Memphis spent 7 times as much on research as TCU did, and a little less than twice what Baylor did.

TCU is not much of a research university, but Memphis has obvious advantages with the FedEx Institute. TCU has 113 majors and they are oversubscribed in some fields where they do not have any clear excellence.

Overall, it's tough to build a case for R1 status without engineering and applied sciences. Georgetown has neither and it's a tough slog to stay R1.

Schools with med schools (and affiliated hospitals) have an upper hand at R1 status because of how much the feds spend on medical research.
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(06-08-2021 10:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 10:14 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 09:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Memphis' research is better than TCU's, and probably Baylor's. In 2017 Memphis spent 7 times as much on research as TCU did, and a little less than twice what Baylor did.

TCU is not much of a research university, but Memphis has obvious advantages with the FedEx Institute.

TCU and Baylor are also top-80 schools for UG.

Good point. Private schools that focus on high-quality under grad teaching exist outside of the whole research oriented public university continuum.
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(06-08-2021 08:59 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  ...could the AAC basically sell their 12th spot to whichever university was willing to pay the most money? And if so, what realistic price could the conference expect?...

C'mon, Joe, you're smarter than that. With entrance fees, exit fees, NCAA credits, retiring contracts and signing new ones, and who knows how much more, membership in every conference is "sold." There's even the backroom talk with media partners of what this would do to the current contracts and future extensions.

And you know, everyone here knows (though they argue differently), that there is WAY more to it than, "Hey, like my school? We have a lot of money! Well, no we're not an urban, resident, top research school...but MONEY!" Ultimately Presidents want to be included in the "upper echelon" of higher learning.

So, no, an alum of Akron could not win a $1.5 billion lottery jackpot and write the AAC a check.
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(06-08-2021 10:08 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 09:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Another possibility is what the Big Ten did, the new school didn't get full shares until X # of years in the conference.

I think the Big 12 did that with TCU, also.

And WVU.
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Didn't Kansas push for Memphis, wanted their BB program
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(06-08-2021 05:05 PM)usffan Wrote:  Didn't they already make a movie out of this?

[Image: 67d533aff930bfae197a641c3d5e6a2db0b77503...V_TTW_.jpg]

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Ha! That made me laugh... I'm going to have my wife give you points for this one.

By the way... who would be in this poster?

I assume Aresco would be Harrelson. Moore would be wearing a t-shirt with the AAC logo. And, Redford would be McCaw wearing a Liberty polo? Or, maybe an AD from a C-USA/Sun Belt program as Redford?
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(06-08-2021 09:55 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The problem with that approach is that you then get Liberty.

Yep, they're the only ones that would want in that would come close to being able to afford the price tag.
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(06-09-2021 05:30 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:59 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  ...could the AAC basically sell their 12th spot to whichever university was willing to pay the most money? And if so, what realistic price could the conference expect?...

C'mon, Joe, you're smarter than that. With entrance fees, exit fees, NCAA credits, retiring contracts and signing new ones, and who knows how much more, membership in every conference is "sold." There's even the backroom talk with media partners of what this would do to the current contracts and future extensions.

And you know, everyone here knows (though they argue differently), that there is WAY more to it than, "Hey, like my school? We have a lot of money! Well, no we're not an urban, resident, top research school...but MONEY!" Ultimately Presidents want to be included in the "upper echelon" of higher learning.

So, no, an alum of Akron could not win a $1.5 billion lottery jackpot and write the AAC a check.

Wait. Billion with a "B"? That would actually probably do it. Each school puts over $100M into their athletics endowment with no strings attached yielding conservatively $5M of unrestricted funds into their athletic budget every year in perpetuity? They'd be foolish to turn that down.

edit: But the AAC is not worth that. Put the money directly into Akron and the AAC will soon be beating down their door.
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(06-09-2021 05:30 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:59 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  ...could the AAC basically sell their 12th spot to whichever university was willing to pay the most money? And if so, what realistic price could the conference expect?...

C'mon, Joe, you're smarter than that. With entrance fees, exit fees, NCAA credits, retiring contracts and signing new ones, and who knows how much more, membership in every conference is "sold." There's even the backroom talk with media partners of what this would do to the current contracts and future extensions.

And you know, everyone here knows (though they argue differently), that there is WAY more to it than, "Hey, like my school? We have a lot of money! Well, no we're not an urban, resident, top research school...but MONEY!" Ultimately Presidents want to be included in the "upper echelon" of higher learning.

So, no, an alum of Akron could not win a $1.5 billion lottery jackpot and write the AAC a check.

I was talking about money beyond the entrance and exit fees. As for academics... there are only a handful of regional FBS R1 universities not already in the AAC (Colorado St., FIU, Georgia St., Rice, Buffalo, UAB, UMass, North Texas, Southern Miss, and UTEP). Ten to be exact. If academics are that important, than this would be the list they start with. But, since Boise State isn't anywhere on this list, there must be more important factors than just academics being considered. Money... It always comes back to money. The problem is that none of the ten on that list can make the AAC more money. So, the AAC waits.
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(06-08-2021 10:14 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 09:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Memphis' research is better than TCU's, and probably Baylor's. In 2017 Memphis spent 7 times as much on research as TCU did, and a little less than twice what Baylor did.

TCU is not much of a research university, but Memphis has obvious advantages with the FedEx Institute. TCU has 113 majors and they are oversubscribed in some fields where they do not have any clear excellence.

Overall, it's tough to build a case for R1 status without engineering and applied sciences. Georgetown has neither and it's a tough slog to stay R1.
For those who care, Memphis expects to achieve R1 status this fall when the new classifications are announced. The difficulty will be sustaining at that level. Tier 1, R1 will have been achieved when Dr. Rudd retires.

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(06-09-2021 02:41 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 10:14 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 09:24 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Memphis' research is better than TCU's, and probably Baylor's. In 2017 Memphis spent 7 times as much on research as TCU did, and a little less than twice what Baylor did.

TCU is not much of a research university, but Memphis has obvious advantages with the FedEx Institute. TCU has 113 majors and they are oversubscribed in some fields where they do not have any clear excellence.

Overall, it's tough to build a case for R1 status without engineering and applied sciences. Georgetown has neither and it's a tough slog to stay R1.
For those who care, Memphis expects to achieve R1 status this fall when the new classifications are announced. The difficulty will be sustaining at that level. Tier 1, R1 will have been achieved when Dr. Rudd retires.

https://www.audacy.com/929espn/sports/me...at-12-30pm

Yeah, I was kind of surprised Memphis wasn't already on the list. Is the state of Tennessee broke?
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It's Memphississippi as far as TN is concerned.
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(06-09-2021 02:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-09-2021 05:30 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:59 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  ...could the AAC basically sell their 12th spot to whichever university was willing to pay the most money? And if so, what realistic price could the conference expect?...

C'mon, Joe, you're smarter than that. With entrance fees, exit fees, NCAA credits, retiring contracts and signing new ones, and who knows how much more, membership in every conference is "sold." There's even the backroom talk with media partners of what this would do to the current contracts and future extensions.

And you know, everyone here knows (though they argue differently), that there is WAY more to it than, "Hey, like my school? We have a lot of money! Well, no we're not an urban, resident, top research school...but MONEY!" Ultimately Presidents want to be included in the "upper echelon" of higher learning.

So, no, an alum of Akron could not win a $1.5 billion lottery jackpot and write the AAC a check.

Wait. Billion with a "B"? That would actually probably do it. Each school puts over $100M into their athletics endowment with no strings attached yielding conservatively $5M of unrestricted funds into their athletic budget every year in perpetuity? They'd be foolish to turn that down.

edit: But the AAC is not worth that. Put the money directly into Akron and the AAC will soon be beating down their door.


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(06-09-2021 04:45 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-09-2021 02:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-09-2021 05:30 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:59 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  ...could the AAC basically sell their 12th spot to whichever university was willing to pay the most money? And if so, what realistic price could the conference expect?...

C'mon, Joe, you're smarter than that. With entrance fees, exit fees, NCAA credits, retiring contracts and signing new ones, and who knows how much more, membership in every conference is "sold." There's even the backroom talk with media partners of what this would do to the current contracts and future extensions.

And you know, everyone here knows (though they argue differently), that there is WAY more to it than, "Hey, like my school? We have a lot of money! Well, no we're not an urban, resident, top research school...but MONEY!" Ultimately Presidents want to be included in the "upper echelon" of higher learning.

So, no, an alum of Akron could not win a $1.5 billion lottery jackpot and write the AAC a check.

Wait. Billion with a "B"? That would actually probably do it. Each school puts over $100M into their athletics endowment with no strings attached yielding conservatively $5M of unrestricted funds into their athletic budget every year in perpetuity? They'd be foolish to turn that down.

edit: But the AAC is not worth that. Put the money directly into Akron and the AAC will soon be beating down their door.


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They say everything is for sale for the right price. In this case I think the price it would take to entice the AAC wouldn’t be a good ROI for the payer.
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(06-09-2021 03:36 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  It's Memphississippi as far as TN is concerned.

Ouch.
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(06-09-2021 07:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  They say everything is for sale for the right price. In this case I think the price it would take to entice the AAC wouldn’t be a good ROI for the payer.

That's the issue. The kind of money it would take would endow the athletic scholarships of an entire Go5 program, as well as provide a healthy football and basketball coaching staff endowment. Cycle through coaches until you get successful ones, then the success starts putting butts into seats.
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