(06-10-2021 03:37 PM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  I'm sure someone out there can backward model which teams would have been the Top 12 going back ten years. That'll be interesting to see.

Someone did on the Realignment Board .... Here it is (if there are mistakes, they did it - not me!)

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In theory, this is how a 12 team playoff would've looked like the last 7 years based on what I'm seeing.

2014 - CFP Matchups
Byes: #1 Alabama^ (12-1), #2 Oregon^ (12-1), #3 Florida St.^ (13-0), #4 Ohio St.^ (12-1)
First Round Matchups:
#9 Ole Miss (9-3) @ #8 Michigan St. (10-2)
#20 Boise St.° (11-2) @ #5 Baylor^ (11-1)
#10 Arizona (10-3) @ #7 Mississippi St. (10-2)
#11 Kansas St. (9-3) @ #6 TCU (11-1)
First 2 Teams Out: #12 Georgia Tech (10-3), #13 Georgia (9-3)

2015 - CFP Matchups
Byes: #1 Clemson^ (13-0), #2 Alabama^ (12-1), #3 Michigan St.^ (12-1), #4 Oklahoma^ (11-1)
First Round Matchups:
#9 Florida St. (10-2) @ #8 Notre Dame (10-2)
#18 Houston° (12-1) @ #5 Iowa (12-1)
#10 North Carolina (11-2) @ #7 Ohio St. (11-1)
#11 TCU (10-2) @ #6 Stanford^ (10-2)
First 2 Teams Out: #12 Ole Miss (9-3), #13 Northwestern (10-2)

2016 - CFP Matchups
Byes: #1 Alabama^ (13-0), #2 Clemson^ (12-1), #4 Washington^ (12-1), #5 Penn St.^ (10-2)
First Round Matchups:
#9 USC (9-3) @ #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
#15 Western Michigan° (13-0) @ #3 Ohio St. (11-1)
#10 Colorado (10-3) @ #7 Oklahoma^ (10-2)
#11 Florida St. (9-3) @ #6 Michigan (10-2)
First 2 Teams Out: #12 Oklahoma St. (9-3), #13 Louisville (9-3)

2017 - CFP Matchups
Byes: #1 Clemson^ (12-1), #2 Oklahoma^ (12-1), #3 Georgia^ (12-1), #5 Ohio St.^ (11-2)
First Round Matchups:
#9 Penn St. (10-2) @ #8 USC^ (11-2)
#12 UCF° (12-0) @ #4 Alabama (11-1)
#10 Miami (FL) (10-2) @ #7 Auburn (10-3)
#11 Washington (10-2) @ #6 Wisconsin (12-1)
First 2 Teams Out: #13 Stanford (9-4), #14 Notre Dame (9-3)

2018 - CFP Matchups
Byes: #1 Alabama^ (13-0), #2 Clemson^ (13-0), #4 Oklahoma^ (12-1), #6 Ohio St.^ (12-1)
First Round Matchups:
#9 Washington^ (10-3) @ #8 UCF° (12-0)
#12 Penn St. (9-3) @ #3 Notre Dame (12-0)
#10 Florida (9-3) @ #7 Michigan (10-2)
#11 LSU (9-3) @ #5 Georgia (11-2)
First 2 Teams Out: #13 Washington St. (10-2), #14 Kentucky (9-3)

2019 - CFP Matchups
Byes: #1 LSU^ (13-0), #2 Ohio St.^ (13-0), #3 Clemson^ (13-0), #4 Oklahoma^ (12-1)
First Round Matchups:
#9 Florida (10-2) @ #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
#17 Memphis° (12-1) @ #5 Georgia (11-2)
#10 Penn St. (10-2) @ #7 Baylor (11-2)
#11 Utah (11-2) @ #6 Oregon^ (11-2)
First 2 Teams Out: #12 Auburn (9-3), #13 Alabama (10-2)

2020 - CFP Matchups
Byes: #1 Alabama^ (11-0), #2 Clemson^ (10-1), #3 Ohio St.^ (6-0), #6 Oklahoma^ (8-2)
First Round Matchups:
#9 Georgia (7-2) @ #8 Cincinnati° (9-0)
#12 Coastal Carolina° (11-0) @ #4 Notre Dame (10-1)
#10 Iowa St. (8-3) @ #7 Florida (8-3)
#11 Indiana (6-1) @ #5 Texas A&M
First 2 Teams Out: #13 North Carolina (8-3), #14 Northwestern (6–1)

(06-10-2021 02:58 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  “Four highest-ranked conference champions would receive a first-round bye, while teams 5-12 would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team”

This is smart. Only conference champs can get byes, meaning a big incentive to win a conference championship.

Good point! I like it - hopefully this prevents teams from throwing the CCG so their conference can get 2+ teams in.

But in the proposal if I understand it correctly there are no automatic bids, only the top six ranked conference champions. The only way a conference gains by "throwing" is if the team you throw to is ranked around maybe 11-20 and in the top six champions. Above that and they would get in as an at large and lower than that they won't get in anyway. In 2018 and 2019 Pittsburgh and Virginia might not even have made it into the top 6 champions even if Clemson threw the games.

Well daddy swarbucks was on the committee so he must be content with it.

(06-10-2021 04:06 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:58 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  “Four highest-ranked conference champions would receive a first-round bye, while teams 5-12 would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team”

This is smart. Only conference champs can get byes, meaning a big incentive to win a conference championship.

Good point! I like it - hopefully this prevents teams from throwing the CCG so their conference can get 2+ teams in.

But in the proposal if I understand it correctly there are no automatic bids, only the top six ranked conference champions. The only way a conference gains by "throwing" is if the team you throw to is ranked around maybe 11-20 and in the top six champions. Above that and they would get in as an at large and lower than that they won't get in anyway. In 2018 and 2019 Pittsburgh and Virginia might not even have made it into the top 6 champions even if Clemson threw the games.

While you are technically correct about no auto-bids, you need to think carefully about the way the proposal is worded: "The proposal calls for the bracket to include the six highest-ranked conference champions and the six remaining highest-ranked teams as determined by the CFP selection committee."

So as long as your P5 champ doesn't fall below TWO of the G5 champs, they'd still be in.

Now, there are 10 FBS conferences, so let's say the top four spots are sewed up and you're not playing for a first round bye, but you have maybe teams #5 and #13 in the CCG. If #13 loses, they're out, but if #5 loses, they might still be in the top 11... thus you get something like this:

BYEs
1. SEC Champ
2. B1G Champ
3. ACC Champ
4. XII Champ
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5. Pac-12 team A
6. AAC team A
7. 8. 9. 10. 11.
12. AAC team B
13. Pac-12 team B
assume all other G5 champs are ranked lower than 13th.

Further, let's assume the AAC is won by team A, but the Pac-12 is won by team B. AAC team A (6) and Pac-12 team B (13) get the last two "top 6 conference champions" spots.

Who would be the six at-large teams? Answer: teams 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11; team #12 gets hosed.

Admittedly it's a very contrived example made far less likely by the fact that team #5 could jump #4 with a CCG win - thus playing for a first-round bye.

(06-10-2021 03:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  Maybe we can bring back the Big East Football conference as #6.

Well, the AAC will claim they are the rightful heir of the Big East. This is a very good news for them.

(06-10-2021 03:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  Maybe we can bring back the Big East Football conference as #6.

If only….

(06-11-2021 04:28 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 03:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  Maybe we can bring back the Big East Football conference as #6.

If only….

You're right, CJ.
Not that we don't appreciate some of our conference brethren, but we all may be a lot happier if we sat at different tables.

(06-11-2021 07:16 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 04:28 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 03:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  Maybe we can bring back the Big East Football conference as #6.

If only….

You're right, CJ.
Not that we don't appreciate some of our conference brethren, but we all may be a lot happier if we sat at different tables.

14 is too big in my opinion.
You don’t play each other often enough to establish any kind of cohesion as a conference.

For example Louisville has played Virginia Tech once in 7 years as a member of the conference and another game isn’t presently scheduled through 2024. And that isn’t the only anomaly caused by having so many members. Others in the conference have the same problem with at least one member school.

Perhaps a single division would take care of the problem. Maybe we’ll see a 13th regular season game added. That would help the situation greatly.

VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

I agree….
Louisville and VaTech started playing football in the 1970’s, through the 80’s and into the 90’s.

I believe Louisville vs. VaTech would be another good football series for The ACC. An opportunity The ACC is missing out on.

Simply schedule Virginia and Boston College every season instead of Virginia and Louisville or VaTech and Boston College.

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

+1

(06-11-2021 12:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

I agree….
Louisville and VaTech started playing football in the 1970’s, through the 80’s and into the 90’s.

I believe Louisville vs. VaTech would be another good football series for The ACC. An opportunity The ACC is missing out on.

Simply schedule Virginia and Boston College every season instead of Virginia and Louisville or VaTech and Boston College.

Of the four possible crossover combinations of UVA/VT vs BC/UL, the only one that really makes any sense is VT/UL. That said, UVA/BC is probably the easiest flight of the bunch, so if you must have a non-sensical pairing, at least make it an easy trip.

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

Here's what makes real sense:

Eastern Athletic Conference -

East - BC/Army/Syracuse/PSU/Rutgers
West - ND/Navy/WVa/Cincy/Pitt

ACC -

North MD/UVa/VT/UNC/WF/NCSU
South Duke/CU/SC/GT/FSU/Miami

Big 10 -

East - Ohio State/Indiana/Purdue/Michigan/MSU/NW/Ill
West - Oklahoma/Nebraska/Kansas/iowa/ISU/Minn/Wisconsin

SEC

East - Florida/Georgia/Auburn/TN/KY/Vandy/Bama/Louisville
West - Texas/TAMU/LSU/Mizzou/Ole Miss/MSU/Arkansas/TT

American

West - Baylor/BYU/SMU/OSU/KSU/AF/TCU/Houston
East - Temple/ECU/App State/Ga State/UCF/USF/Memphis/Tulane

Tulsa is S.O.L. in this scenario. App State/Ga State/Cincy/Army/AF and Navy move up relative to their current positions. KSU/OSU/Baylor/ and TCU take a half step down.

Including the P12 which remains unchanged there are 70 schools in this tier.

Army and Navy are in the EAC because their game has value, ND likes to play Navy, and they are regional partners that will not harm ND, PSU, Pitt, WVa, or Cincy football. This is the smallest conference. They can play a 5-2 and have 5 OOC games.

The ACC is restored to pre 1933 boundaries.

The Big 10 is now the Big 8 and Big 10 as they should have been.

The SEC has finished absorbing the meat of the SWC with the addition of Texas and TT in addition to the earlier bite of Arkansas and TAMU.


This will not happen but it does make the most sense.

(06-11-2021 12:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

I agree….
Louisville and VaTech started playing football in the 1970’s, through the 80’s and into the 90’s.

I believe Louisville vs. VaTech would be another good football series for The ACC. An opportunity The ACC is missing out on.

Simply schedule Virginia and Boston College every season instead of Virginia and Louisville or VaTech and Boston College.

This is what happens when you are just dumped into an open slot (MD's)

BC and Syracuse should not be in the same division because their recruiting territory is so poor. UVa and VT should not be in the same division because their recruiting territory is good. A good zipper would have been:

Syracuse/Pitt/UVa/UNC/NCSU/CU/Miami
all with the following rival in order:
BC/Louisville/VT/Duke/WF/GT/FSU

(06-11-2021 01:19 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

Here's what makes real sense:

Eastern Athletic Conference

- BC/Army/Syracuse/PSU/Rutgers
- ND/Navy/WVa/Cincy/Pitt

ACC

MD/UVa/VT/UNC/WF/NCSU
Duke/CU/SC/GT/FSU/Miami

Big 10 -

East - Ohio State/Indiana/Purdue/Michigan/MSU/NW/Ill
West - Oklahoma/Nebraska/Kansas/iowa/ISU/Minn/Wisconsin

SEC

East - Florida/Georgia/Auburn/TN/KY/Vandy/Bama/Louisville
West - Texas/TAMU/LSU/Mizzou/Ole Miss/MSU/Arkansas/TT

American

West - Baylor/BYU/SMU/OSU/KSU/AF/TCU/Houston
East - Temple/ECU/App State/Ga State/UCF/USF/Memphis/Tulane

Tulsa is S.O.L. in this scenario. App State/Ga State/Cincy/Army/AF and Navy move up relative to their current positions. KSU/OSU/Baylor/ and TCU take a half step down.

Including the P12 which remains unchanged there are 70 schools in this tier.

Army and Navy are in the EAC because their game has value, ND likes to play Navy, and they are regional partners that will not harm ND, PSU, Pitt, WVa, or Cincy football. This is the smallest conference. They can play a 5-2 and have 5 OOC games.

The ACC is restored to pre 1933 boundaries.

The Big 10 is now the Big 8 and Big 10 as they should have been.

The SEC has finished absorbing the meat of the SWC with the addition of Texas and TT in addition to the earlier bite of Arkansas and TAMU.


This will not happen but it does make the most sense.

I think this makes a lot more sense:

Eastern Athletic Conference -

BC/Syracuse/PSU/Rutgers/Louisville
ND/WVa/Cincy/Pitt/Miami

ACC -

MD/UVa/VT/WF/NCSU
Duke/CU/SC/GT/Carolina

Big 10 -

Ohio State/Indiana/Purdue/Michigan/MSU
Iowa/Minn./Wisconsin/Illinois/Northwestern

PAC

Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU, Stanford, Cal
Utah, Colorado, Ariz. ASU, USC, UCLA

SEC

East - Florida/Georgia/Auburn/TN/KY/Vandy
West - TAMU/LSU/Bama/Ole Miss/MSU/Florida State

Big 12

Texas/Texas Tech/Baylor/TCU/Oklahoma State/Arkansas
Iowa State/Nebraska/Missouri/Kansas/Kansas State/Oklahoma

Lance if yall want to drop back to FCS that's fine by me. But an ACC that stretches' only from DC to Atlanta without Florida schools is weak.

If I were making a new Big 12 I would repair the Texas schools' situation and instead of spreading northward up the plains I would go east and west for some travelling fun.


Big 12

East - Oklahoma, Arkansas, OSU, KSU, Kansas, Tulane (Adds trips to New Orleans)
West - Texas, TAMU, TCU, Baylor, TT, New Mexico (Adds trips to Albuquerque)

Dallas is the natural home of the league office. No Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa State or Mizzou to wax sentimental over the Big 8. This league wraps up Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kansas, and New Mexico and spits a little into the eye of the SEC. When Texas, OU, TAMU, or Arkansas come to Tulane, just move into the Superdome.

(06-11-2021 12:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

I agree….
Louisville and VaTech started playing football in the 1970’s, through the 80’s and into the 90’s.

I believe Louisville vs. VaTech would be another good football series for The ACC. An opportunity The ACC is missing out on.

Simply schedule Virginia and Boston College every season instead of Virginia and Louisville or VaTech and Boston College.

That’s a good point but it still won’t fix the scheduling problem. VT plays Atlantic teams (other than BC) only once in seven years. The ACC needs to either drop the crossover rival or add the 9th conference game in my opinion.

(06-11-2021 01:19 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

Here's what makes real sense:

Eastern Athletic Conference -

East - BC/Army/Syracuse/PSU/Rutgers
West - ND/Navy/WVa/Cincy/Pitt

ACC -

North MD/UVa/VT/UNC/WF/NCSU
South Duke/CU/SC/GT/FSU/Miami

Big 10 -

East - Ohio State/Indiana/Purdue/Michigan/MSU/NW/Ill
West - Oklahoma/Nebraska/Kansas/iowa/ISU/Minn/Wisconsin

SEC

East - Florida/Georgia/Auburn/TN/KY/Vandy/Bama/Louisville
West - Texas/TAMU/LSU/Mizzou/Ole Miss/MSU/Arkansas/TT

American

West - Baylor/BYU/SMU/OSU/KSU/AF/TCU/Houston
East - Temple/ECU/App State/Ga State/UCF/USF/Memphis/Tulane

Tulsa is S.O.L. in this scenario. App State/Ga State/Cincy/Army/AF and Navy move up relative to their current positions. KSU/OSU/Baylor/ and TCU take a half step down.

Including the P12 which remains unchanged there are 70 schools in this tier.

Army and Navy are in the EAC because their game has value, ND likes to play Navy, and they are regional partners that will not harm ND, PSU, Pitt, WVa, or Cincy football. This is the smallest conference. They can play a 5-2 and have 5 OOC games.

The ACC is restored to pre 1933 boundaries.

The Big 10 is now the Big 8 and Big 10 as they should have been.

The SEC has finished absorbing the meat of the SWC with the addition of Texas and TT in addition to the earlier bite of Arkansas and TAMU.


This will not happen but it does make the most sense.

You must like the 2004 ACC lineup then. That lineup consisted of 11 teams out of 12 schools you listed.

(06-11-2021 07:19 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 12:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  VaTech vs Louisville makes more sense than UVA vs Louisville on so many levels.

I agree….
Louisville and VaTech started playing football in the 1970’s, through the 80’s and into the 90’s.

I believe Louisville vs. VaTech would be another good football series for The ACC. An opportunity The ACC is missing out on.

Simply schedule Virginia and Boston College every season instead of Virginia and Louisville or VaTech and Boston College.

That’s a good point but it still won’t fix the scheduling problem. VT plays Atlantic teams (other than BC) only once in seven years. The ACC needs to either drop the crossover rival or add the 9th conference game in my opinion.

VT is in the wrong division to begin with, IMO. If you look at the ACC teams the Hokies played the most before joining the conference, it looks like this (after UVA #1, of course):

ACC Opponent....1st....#games
NC State........1902....43
Wake Forest.....1916....32
Florida State...1955....31
Clemson.........1906....26
Maryland........1919....26
North Carolina..1902....22
Miami (Florida).1953....21

Maryland was replaced by Louisville, of course, but that's not the point. Do you know which ACC division all of those teams in red belong to? Yet for some reason the Hokies are NOT in that division.