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Go get 'em Jordan Lauf
Kowalczyk is no stranger to international basketball — two of his first recruits as a head coach at Wisconsin-Green Bay were from outside the United States, one from Spain and another from the Dominican Republic, who coincidentally picked Green Bay over Toledo.

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ut/20...0210530044
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good article with insight on Lauf's role and how the rockets have worked the international scene. Ethorsyn is becoming a bit more intriguing. I'm wait and see on Carcoana.

it still irritates me that folks call AJ Edu English based on the fact he spent his high school years there (but is a Filipino citizen who was born and raised in Cyprus). It's so inconsistent. In the article it says Carcoana is Romanian but went to high school in the US. It doesn't call him American. Yet, Edu is English because he went to HS in England.
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(06-09-2021 03:15 PM)pono Wrote:  good article with insight on Lauf's role and how the rockets have worked the international scene. Ethorsyn is becoming a bit more intriguing. I'm wait and see on Carcoana.

it still irritates me that folks call AJ Edu English based on the fact he spent his high school years there (but is a Filipino citizen who was born and raised in Cyprus). It's so inconsistent. In the article it says Carcoana is Romanian but went to high school in the US. It doesn't call him American. Yet, Edu is English because he went to HS in England.

Well as I understand it, unlike some of the international players that move to the US to play 1 or 2 years of HS ball (sometimes without their parents) just to make themselves better recruits, his whole family moved to England, as I understand it, because his dad got a job there, when AJ was around 12. So, they've been there a while. Whether that makes him "English" or not, I don't know.
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RE: Go get 'em Jordan Lauf
or perhaps he's a citizen of England or perhaps that's his preferred to be called nationality? Who knows. I don't get a vote. If it doesn't irritate him, can't much say otherwise. If it does, I would hope he would correct them if they're wrong.
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Who cares what their nationality is! The big question is, can they play basketball? We had a couple of duds in the past that left after a year or so. I read that one reason mid level schools look for foreign help is because they can’t recruit top level US players, so they go over seas. Many of the foreign players we recruited don’t know Toledo Ohio from Toledo Spain. It’s just a free education and a chance to play in the US. For what it’s worth on Utoledo recognition: I once read that Chuck Ealey said he never heard of Utoledo prior to being recruited by Frank X
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AJ lists his hometown as Gloucester England on the UT roster page. He must consider himself English.
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Well, I guess what I'm getting at is that he's on the Philippines Jr National team and predicted to move up to the National team for FIBA tournaments /olympics in '22. He's a big name in the large Filipino basketball media. And has been part of that nation's international program for many years. You post a highlight of AJ Edu on youtube and most of the views are from Filipinos. He certainly has the right to consider himself what he wants. I wouldn't concur with you Elvis that since the UT website lists his hometown as Gloucester, that "he must consider himself English." His biggest notoriety as a basketball player is in the Philippines with UT and the MAC footprint 2nd. Interest in him as a basketball player in England (media, national teams, social media) is far less. He is ethnically Filipino (and Nigerian) and his citizenship is in the Philippines. He's not a citizen of England or ethnically of the British Isles. He's spent about as much of his life in Toledo as he did in England, but we don't sometimes say he's American. Plus, more than half his life was lived in his birth place island Nation of Cyprus. I'm not saying he can't be considered English, just that he could as easily be identified as Filipino, multinational, American, Cypriot, Filipino-Nigerian, but all of Toledo's media refers to him solely as English.
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(06-12-2021 01:04 AM)pono Wrote:  I'm not saying he can't be considered English, just that he could as easily be identified as Filipino, multinational, American, Cypriot, Filipino-Nigerian, but all of Toledo's media refers to him solely as English.

Maybe they asked him? Certainly they should get it right. We are getting to a point where presuming someone's identity in any form is questioned. That might not be a bad thing.
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Not sure, I was talking to another UT fan recently who follows AJ and was perplexed by the latest article calling him English, not Filipino. He wrote to the Blade asking their reasoning but did not get a reply. Like you say presuming a person's identity isn't the way to go. It's just inconsistent. Kobe Bryant was never referred to as Italian even though he spent most of his childhood in Italy, grew up speaking Italian and his dad was a notable professional athlete in Italy. I imagine AJ's childhood in Cyprus confuses some folks who know little of the country, but his nationality as Filipino has been the defining part of his basketball identity, so it's weird that local media doesn't acknowledge that.
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(06-12-2021 03:15 PM)pono Wrote:  Not sure, I was talking to another UT fan recently who follows AJ and was perplexed by the latest article calling him English, not Filipino. He wrote to the Blade asking their reasoning but did not get a reply. Like you say presuming a person's identity isn't the way to go. It's just inconsistent. Kobe Bryant was never referred to as Italian even though he spent most of his childhood in Italy, grew up speaking Italian and his dad was a notable professional athlete in Italy. I imagine AJ's childhood in Cyprus confuses some folks who know little of the country, but his nationality as Filipino has been the defining part of his basketball identity, so it's weird that local media doesn't acknowledge that.

I can honestly say I've had Fillipino, English and Nigerian food in-situ (ok, one of them was in an airport but I've had it other places) and I might lean Cypriot.... but it's always a bad idea to pizz off Mom too.

Where was he born? I do recall his Ma had moved to England. I thought his Dad a Math Prof or something and they met in England.

Must be off-season
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(06-12-2021 04:39 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 03:15 PM)pono Wrote:  Not sure, I was talking to another UT fan recently who follows AJ and was perplexed by the latest article calling him English, not Filipino. He wrote to the Blade asking their reasoning but did not get a reply. Like you say presuming a person's identity isn't the way to go. It's just inconsistent. Kobe Bryant was never referred to as Italian even though he spent most of his childhood in Italy, grew up speaking Italian and his dad was a notable professional athlete in Italy. I imagine AJ's childhood in Cyprus confuses some folks who know little of the country, but his nationality as Filipino has been the defining part of his basketball identity, so it's weird that local media doesn't acknowledge that.

I can honestly say I've had Fillipino, English and Nigerian food in-situ (ok, one of them was in an airport but I've had it other places) and I might lean Cypriot.... but it's always a bad idea to pizz off Mom too.

Where was he born? I do recall his Ma had moved to England. I thought his Dad a Math Prof or something and they met in England.

Must be off-season

definitely an off season conversation. he was born in Cyprus where his dad was a physics teacher and basketball coach and his mom was finishing college. when they tried to travel when he was a toddler they could not because Cyprus had not granted AJ citizenship. They petitioned for citizenship there for AJ but it was rejected (Cyprus does not automatically grant citizenship to those born there, even the children of legal residents, but has gotten in hot water repeatedly for years of selling passports to underworld folks and Russians). After getting rejected by Cyprus they returned to the Philippines and AJ was processed as a citizen there. Afterwards they went back to Cyprus where they all lived until AJ was 12 or 14 or something when his dad took a job in England and they moved there. At 15 AJ began to play for the Philippines Jr National team. He moved to Toledo at 17, I beleive.
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(06-12-2021 11:48 PM)pono Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 04:39 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 03:15 PM)pono Wrote:  Not sure, I was talking to another UT fan recently who follows AJ and was perplexed by the latest article calling him English, not Filipino. He wrote to the Blade asking their reasoning but did not get a reply. Like you say presuming a person's identity isn't the way to go. It's just inconsistent. Kobe Bryant was never referred to as Italian even though he spent most of his childhood in Italy, grew up speaking Italian and his dad was a notable professional athlete in Italy. I imagine AJ's childhood in Cyprus confuses some folks who know little of the country, but his nationality as Filipino has been the defining part of his basketball identity, so it's weird that local media doesn't acknowledge that.

I can honestly say I've had Fillipino, English and Nigerian food in-situ (ok, one of them was in an airport but I've had it other places) and I might lean Cypriot.... but it's always a bad idea to pizz off Mom too.

Where was he born? I do recall his Ma had moved to England. I thought his Dad a Math Prof or something and they met in England.

Must be off-season

definitely an off season conversation. he was born in Cyprus where his dad was a physics teacher and basketball coach and his mom was finishing college. when they tried to travel when he was a toddler they could not because Cyprus had not granted AJ citizenship. They petitioned for citizenship there for AJ but it was rejected (Cyprus does not automatically grant citizenship to those born there, even the children of legal residents, but has gotten in hot water repeatedly for years of selling passports to underworld folks and Russians). After getting rejected by Cyprus they returned to the Philippines and AJ was processed as a citizen there. Afterwards they went back to Cyprus where they all lived until AJ was 12 or 14 or something when his dad took a job in England and they moved there. At 15 AJ began to play for the Philippines Jr National team. He moved to Toledo at 17, I beleive.

So after all this meticulous biographical research, in depth geopolitical analysis and pervasive sociocultural investigation the pertinent cultural identifier is that the Jr. Accounting major, Ariel John Litang Edu, is a TOLEDO ROCKET. GO ROCKETS
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(06-13-2021 12:08 AM)Sleepy Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 11:48 PM)pono Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 04:39 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 03:15 PM)pono Wrote:  Not sure, I was talking to another UT fan recently who follows AJ and was perplexed by the latest article calling him English, not Filipino. He wrote to the Blade asking their reasoning but did not get a reply. Like you say presuming a person's identity isn't the way to go. It's just inconsistent. Kobe Bryant was never referred to as Italian even though he spent most of his childhood in Italy, grew up speaking Italian and his dad was a notable professional athlete in Italy. I imagine AJ's childhood in Cyprus confuses some folks who know little of the country, but his nationality as Filipino has been the defining part of his basketball identity, so it's weird that local media doesn't acknowledge that.

I can honestly say I've had Fillipino, English and Nigerian food in-situ (ok, one of them was in an airport but I've had it other places) and I might lean Cypriot.... but it's always a bad idea to pizz off Mom too.

Where was he born? I do recall his Ma had moved to England. I thought his Dad a Math Prof or something and they met in England.

Must be off-season

definitely an off season conversation. he was born in Cyprus where his dad was a physics teacher and basketball coach and his mom was finishing college. when they tried to travel when he was a toddler they could not because Cyprus had not granted AJ citizenship. They petitioned for citizenship there for AJ but it was rejected (Cyprus does not automatically grant citizenship to those born there, even the children of legal residents, but has gotten in hot water repeatedly for years of selling passports to underworld folks and Russians). After getting rejected by Cyprus they returned to the Philippines and AJ was processed as a citizen there. Afterwards they went back to Cyprus where they all lived until AJ was 12 or 14 or something when his dad took a job in England and they moved there. At 15 AJ began to play for the Philippines Jr National team. He moved to Toledo at 17, I beleive.

So after all this meticulous biographical research, in depth geopolitical analysis and pervasive sociocultural investigation the pertinent cultural identifier is that the Jr. Accounting major, Ariel John Litang Edu, is a TOLEDO ROCKET. GO ROCKETS

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Sleepy, this thread is about Jordan Lauf. Would you please try to stay on topic? We were justing building some uh.... background. 04-bolt

Thanks for the info Pono, it was very interesting (to me). I do think Toledo Rockets should be respected and media reference should get this right. I wouldn't have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out so yes, I do wonder what the answer is and does it matter to Edu. If past recent history indicates, you can expect an article very soon on this topic of Edu's nationality.
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(06-13-2021 05:36 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 12:08 AM)Sleepy Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 11:48 PM)pono Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 04:39 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 03:15 PM)pono Wrote:  Not sure, I was talking to another UT fan recently who follows AJ and was perplexed by the latest article calling him English, not Filipino. He wrote to the Blade asking their reasoning but did not get a reply. Like you say presuming a person's identity isn't the way to go. It's just inconsistent. Kobe Bryant was never referred to as Italian even though he spent most of his childhood in Italy, grew up speaking Italian and his dad was a notable professional athlete in Italy. I imagine AJ's childhood in Cyprus confuses some folks who know little of the country, but his nationality as Filipino has been the defining part of his basketball identity, so it's weird that local media doesn't acknowledge that.

I can honestly say I've had Fillipino, English and Nigerian food in-situ (ok, one of them was in an airport but I've had it other places) and I might lean Cypriot.... but it's always a bad idea to pizz off Mom too.

Where was he born? I do recall his Ma had moved to England. I thought his Dad a Math Prof or something and they met in England.

Must be off-season

definitely an off season conversation. he was born in Cyprus where his dad was a physics teacher and basketball coach and his mom was finishing college. when they tried to travel when he was a toddler they could not because Cyprus had not granted AJ citizenship. They petitioned for citizenship there for AJ but it was rejected (Cyprus does not automatically grant citizenship to those born there, even the children of legal residents, but has gotten in hot water repeatedly for years of selling passports to underworld folks and Russians). After getting rejected by Cyprus they returned to the Philippines and AJ was processed as a citizen there. Afterwards they went back to Cyprus where they all lived until AJ was 12 or 14 or something when his dad took a job in England and they moved there. At 15 AJ began to play for the Philippines Jr National team. He moved to Toledo at 17, I beleive.

So after all this meticulous biographical research, in depth geopolitical analysis and pervasive sociocultural investigation the pertinent cultural identifier is that the Jr. Accounting major, Ariel John Litang Edu, is a TOLEDO ROCKET. GO ROCKETS

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Sleepy, this thread is about Jordan Lauf. Would you please try to stay on topic? We were justing building some uh.... background. 04-bolt

Thanks for the info Pono, it was very interesting (to me). I do think Toledo Rockets should be respected and media reference should get this right. I wouldn't have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out so yes, I do wonder what the answer is and does it matter to Edu. If past recent history indicates, you can expect an article very soon on this topic of Edu's nationality.
Haha, Sleepy nails it. Actually, all of what I posted comes from an article shared on this board a few years ago. I didn't search for it to link, but it was in the context of how immigrants and guest workers sometimes find themselves without citizenship in their home or birth countries and how that led AJ to strengthen his Filipino connections leading to his place on the Jr National team.
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