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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
(06-08-2021 11:04 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  jedclampett and JamesTKirk post on both the Realignment and AAC boards.
jedclampett and JamesTKirk both post walls of words.
jedclampett and JamesTKirk both bold a lot and use ellipses and those “one paragraph periods”.

Jed Clampett and James T Kirk are both early 1960s fictional TV characters.

jedclampett and JamesTKirk are the same person.
This is exactly what I was noticing lol
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The Boise bashing here is befuddling to me.

Let's be real, they've probably been more consistent than anyone else in the G5 when you strip away recency bias and realize coaching flux is high in the G5 and no one plays at a really high level and sustains it for long.

Has anyone else in the G5 finished in the AP top 25 more than them the last 15 years than them? I doubt that. By now they've built up enough of a brand that they can get a P5 win or 2 and run the table in their conference and get serious consideration for a G5 autobid. Heck Boise has gotten high in the rankings playing a mostly crappy WAC schedule with 1 or 2 big games thrown in, why go through the AAC gauntlet?

This announcement has the feel of some insecure high school guy trying to spread the rumor it was he that turned that one girl down and not the other way around.
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(06-08-2021 01:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The Boise bashing here is befuddling to me.

Let's be real, they've probably been more consistent than anyone else in the G5 when you strip away recency bias and realize coaching flux is high in the G5 and no one plays at a really high level and sustains it for long.

Has anyone else in the G5 finished in the AP top 25 more than them the last 15 years than them? I doubt that. By now they've built up enough of a brand that they can get a P5 win or 2 and run the table in their conference and get serious consideration for a G5 autobid. Heck Boise has gotten high in the rankings playing a mostly crappy WAC schedule with 1 or 2 big games thrown in, why go through the AAC gauntlet?

This announcement has the feel of some insecure high school guy trying to spread the rumor it was he that turned that one girl down and not the other way around.

Exactly! Sure, they arent quite as good as they were---but Good Grief! You cant be expected to go something like 92-3 forever. Your going to ebb and flow to an extent.
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(06-08-2021 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 12:39 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 12:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(06-07-2021 11:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like the AAC could be stuck at 11 for a long time. Aresco needs to get to work on that rule change.

If they need an affiliate to tide them over until the picture post-2024 is clear, there are several available.

That might be less likely than Boise. Waaaaaay too many issues. Nobody is leaving a conference for a temporary affiliate status---so that means it must be an indy. UConn is a hard no for obvious reasons. That leaves UMass, Liberty, and NM State. Then---you'll either have to buy out a bunch of indy games in order to immediately free up their schedule---or---you can wait several years for their schedule to open up---which would put you around the mid-2020's---and it would be sort of a "whats the point" endeavor once you get that far down the road.

No. It looks like the AAC is essentially an 11 team football/basketball league for the forseeable future.....unless Aresco finally decides to invite VCU.....04-cheers

So UConn is a "hard no for obvious reasons" while UMass and NM State would be in play if you were Aresco? UMass and NM State are as a bad on the gridiron as UConn. UMass plays in a 15K stadium leftover from their FCS days and doesn't really own the Massachusetts market. NM State is essentially invisible. UConn (which played in a Fiesta Bowl in 2010, has a 40K stadium, has top notch facilities, and has a strong overall athletics brand on the national stage) was actually not bad for the AAC. The school provided a brand name for television while it bolstered the record of other AAC schools in football as we were a likely win on your schedules. Look, I get why the AAC wanted us to scram after we said we were taking our other sports to the Big East. However, Aresco is now seeing that there really aren't many better options for the AAC to replace us.

If the Indy chosen isn't UConn, at least go with Liberty. They offer better football that UConn at the moment, so at least I could understand that logic.

UConn would be a "hard no" due to having just been kicked out (football) and there being little good will toward them (thats the "obvious" reason I was talking about). It has nothing to do with how they compare to the remaining choices. I didnt even analyze the remaining choices (they are all pretty bad by the way) because the reality is the whole "affiliate concept" is functionally flawed once you delve into the details a bit. The idea was an affiliate member could bridge the gap until the mid-2020's realignment fall out is known--allowing the AAC to make a better informed membership decision at that time. Perhaps they lose a member during that period and fall to an even 10 members after realignment. They wouldnt need to add anyone and could just drop the affiliate. The bottom line is, after looking at the details a bit, its clear an affiliate would either be very expensive (due to game buy outs) or arrive too late to do much good.

The lack of good will makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
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(06-08-2021 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(06-08-2021 09:46 AM)whittx Wrote:  But the most viable school from an institutional standpoint (Buffalo) is still on its own island. An Ohio MAC school would be more ideal but even a Toledo or Directional Michigan school wouldn't fit institutionally.

As much as I hate to admit it, Buffalo would be a good choice for the AAC number 12 for these reasons:

1. Location - reasonably close to the departed UCONN
2. Does not increase the conference footprint
3. Excellent football
4. Excellent mens basketball
5. Excellent academics (AAU Research University) with over 32,000 students enrolled. (Most, if not all, college presidents would favor them)
6. Buffalo population over 260,000

In nearly every aspect, probably a better choice than Boise.

Excellent football? Excellent basketball? You do realize college sports is more than just last year? Buffalo football is 377-493 over its history. Buffalo football has been around since 1894 and has ONE conference championship in the sport during that entire span of time. Buffalo Basketball isn much better. It has been to the NCAA tournament just 4 times in its entire history. Its won a total of 2 NCAA tournament games in its entire basketball history.

Excellent university for sure---but excellent football and basketball? C'mon. Zero brand value. Besides, the reality is UConn was an outlier. No real need to replace an outlier---especially given that the for northeast doesnt really care much about college football in general---and cares even less about Buffalo football specifically. If they are the pick---it will be entirely due the quality of the school---as their athletics programs have zero brand value are as far from "value adding" as you can get.

That said--you can throw them in with UAB as a school that COULD develop over the next 5 to 10 years and be viable choice in the future. Honestly---virtually ANY G5 has the potential to develop into a viable option in a decade or so----or none of the G5 might develop to that point. Impossible to know---which is why its not really a good idea to add any school based entirely on "potential". Thats "potential" is simply little more than a crap shoot. What Buffalo does have is the academic chops to be an easy yes if they just had some quality brand value.

I agree to some extent. Guess I was putting them in the same category as Tulane. Though they do have a recent history of excellent sports unlike Tulane. A football game between Buffalo and Tulane would be about as exciting as a Princeton vs Dartmouth game.
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(06-08-2021 01:53 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  I agree to some extent. Guess I was putting them in the same category as Tulane. Though they do have a recent history of excellent sports unlike Tulane. A football game between Buffalo and Tulane would be about as exciting as a Princeton vs Dartmouth game.

I'd actually tune in for a Buffalo vs Tulane football game. Tulane isn't a doormat anymore, they've been a 7-6 type team the past few years and their talent has upgraded. I'd think that would make for a good minor-level bowl game.

Buffalo does have some good fundamentals. But as "coog" said, they have zero brand value. They just have no name recognition at all. Save for Syracuse, NY state is just an empty wasteland for college athletics, in terms of national interest.
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(06-08-2021 01:18 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 12:39 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 12:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-07-2021 11:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  If they need an affiliate to tide them over until the picture post-2024 is clear, there are several available.

That might be less likely than Boise. Waaaaaay too many issues. Nobody is leaving a conference for a temporary affiliate status---so that means it must be an indy. UConn is a hard no for obvious reasons. That leaves UMass, Liberty, and NM State. Then---you'll either have to buy out a bunch of indy games in order to immediately free up their schedule---or---you can wait several years for their schedule to open up---which would put you around the mid-2020's---and it would be sort of a "whats the point" endeavor once you get that far down the road.

No. It looks like the AAC is essentially an 11 team football/basketball league for the forseeable future.....unless Aresco finally decides to invite VCU.....04-cheers

So UConn is a "hard no for obvious reasons" while UMass and NM State would be in play if you were Aresco? UMass and NM State are as a bad on the gridiron as UConn. UMass plays in a 15K stadium leftover from their FCS days and doesn't really own the Massachusetts market. NM State is essentially invisible. UConn (which played in a Fiesta Bowl in 2010, has a 40K stadium, has top notch facilities, and has a strong overall athletics brand on the national stage) was actually not bad for the AAC. The school provided a brand name for television while it bolstered the record of other AAC schools in football as we were a likely win on your schedules. Look, I get why the AAC wanted us to scram after we said we were taking our other sports to the Big East. However, Aresco is now seeing that there really aren't many better options for the AAC to replace us.

If the Indy chosen isn't UConn, at least go with Liberty. They offer better football that UConn at the moment, so at least I could understand that logic.

UConn would be a "hard no" due to having just been kicked out (football) and there being little good will toward them (thats the "obvious" reason I was talking about). It has nothing to do with how they compare to the remaining choices. I didnt even analyze the remaining choices (they are all pretty bad by the way) because the reality is the whole "affiliate concept" is functionally flawed once you delve into the details a bit. The idea was an affiliate member could bridge the gap until the mid-2020's realignment fall out is known--allowing the AAC to make a better informed membership decision at that time. Perhaps they lose a member during that period and fall to an even 10 members after realignment. They wouldnt need to add anyone and could just drop the affiliate. The bottom line is, after looking at the details a bit, its clear an affiliate would either be very expensive (due to game buy outs) or arrive too late to do much good.

The lack of good will makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.


I wonder if — assuming we could go back in time — the AAC would have been open to having UConn for football only had UConn opted (for all other sports) for the then-"New" Big East immediately when it was it was being formed.

I doubt it but it's a hypothetical to ponder.
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(06-08-2021 02:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:53 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  I agree to some extent. Guess I was putting them in the same category as Tulane. Though they do have a recent history of excellent sports unlike Tulane. A football game between Buffalo and Tulane would be about as exciting as a Princeton vs Dartmouth game.

I'd actually tune in for a Buffalo vs Tulane football game. Tulane isn't a doormat anymore, they've been a 7-6 type team the past few years and their talent has upgraded. I'd think that would make for a good minor-level bowl game.

Buffalo does have some good fundamentals. But as "coog" said, they have zero brand value. They just have no name recognition at all. Save for Syracuse, NY state is just an empty wasteland for college athletics, in terms of national interest.


I would be fine with Buffalo for all-sports as the AAC's No. 12, but the points you and ACoog make are very valid, Quo.

I do like the thought of a university that 1. has strong academic clout in a highly populated state; and 2. brings a solid one-two punch in football and hoops. Thus, UB intrigues me.
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(06-08-2021 01:53 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  I agree to some extent. Guess I was putting them in the same category as Tulane. Though they do have a recent history of excellent sports unlike Tulane. A football game between Buffalo and Tulane would be about as exciting as a Princeton vs Dartmouth game.

I'd actually tune in for a Buffalo vs Tulane football game. Tulane isn't a doormat anymore, they've been a 7-6 type team the past few years and their talent has upgraded. I'd think that would make for a good minor-level bowl game.

Buffalo does have some good fundamentals. But as "coog" said, they have zero brand value. They just have no name recognition at all. Save for Syracuse, NY state is just an empty wasteland for college athletics, in terms of national interest.

Army is national interest.
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Looks like the American needs to find another football playing member or join up with the ACC to pursue division-less CCGs. You can’t waiver forever. It’s been years, plenty of time to recruit another member.

I vote Wichita State football. That would buy the conference even more time at 11 and solidify the league.
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(06-08-2021 03:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 02:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:53 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  I agree to some extent. Guess I was putting them in the same category as Tulane. Though they do have a recent history of excellent sports unlike Tulane. A football game between Buffalo and Tulane would be about as exciting as a Princeton vs Dartmouth game.

I'd actually tune in for a Buffalo vs Tulane football game. Tulane isn't a doormat anymore, they've been a 7-6 type team the past few years and their talent has upgraded. I'd think that would make for a good minor-level bowl game.

Buffalo does have some good fundamentals. But as "coog" said, they have zero brand value. They just have no name recognition at all. Save for Syracuse, NY state is just an empty wasteland for college athletics, in terms of national interest.

Army is national interest.

Army is located on federal territory. And Army's interest is very narrow, not like a normal university.
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These threads always remind me of the cliche of a group of women always trying to find somebody to marry their single dude co-worker because it bothers them to no end that he's single. If the AAC finds somebody, they'll invite them to join. But they for damn sure won't marry UAB, or JMU, or Buffalo, or whoever, just because everybody else thinks they should be at 12.

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(06-08-2021 03:48 PM)usffan Wrote:  These threads always remind me of the cliche of a group of women always trying to find somebody to marry their single dude co-worker because it bothers them to no end that he's single. If the AAC finds somebody, they'll invite them to join. But they for damn sure won't marry UAB, or JMU, or Buffalo, or whoever, just because everybody else thinks they should be at 12.

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Only matters if the NCAA thinks they need to marry.

Or give up the CCG.
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(06-08-2021 03:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 03:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 02:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:53 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  I agree to some extent. Guess I was putting them in the same category as Tulane. Though they do have a recent history of excellent sports unlike Tulane. A football game between Buffalo and Tulane would be about as exciting as a Princeton vs Dartmouth game.

I'd actually tune in for a Buffalo vs Tulane football game. Tulane isn't a doormat anymore, they've been a 7-6 type team the past few years and their talent has upgraded. I'd think that would make for a good minor-level bowl game.

Buffalo does have some good fundamentals. But as "coog" said, they have zero brand value. They just have no name recognition at all. Save for Syracuse, NY state is just an empty wasteland for college athletics, in terms of national interest.

Army is national interest.

Army is located on federal territory. And Army's interest is very narrow, not like a normal university.

Yuck. Again I'm on here defending Army West Point...
The Black Knight Mule Cadets of the Hudson have national brand. 8 million don't watch Army Navy just for Navy.
Oklahoma was willing to go to Michie. Army games that are buy games at the big boys do okay for the networks - they were acceptable substitutes for "P5" ooc opponents when the various conferences were looking at those sorts of scheduling rules.
I don't think they're a game changer for the AAC, but they have national brand interest AND they're the sort of institution Presidents (rather than ADs) could get behind.
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(06-08-2021 01:07 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:04 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  jedclampett and JamesTKirk post on both the Realignment and AAC boards.
jedclampett and JamesTKirk both post walls of words.
jedclampett and JamesTKirk both bold a lot and use ellipses and those “one paragraph periods”.

Jed Clampett and James T Kirk are both early 1960s fictional TV characters.

jedclampett and JamesTKirk are the same person.
This is exactly what I was noticing lol
JamesTKirk has also posted in a couple of jedclampett's "would you support a G5 movement for a new NY7 bowl" threads on the other conference boards.
There are more stylistic similarities, too.
- Opening with "that's an interesting article" then going off on a tangent
- Saying "A lot of posters have shown interest..." which resulted in this beauty:
(06-01-2021 07:14 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(06-01-2021 02:37 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  C-USA fans have shown some interest in the idea.

There are 10 posts in this thread. Five of them are you. 4 more are mocking you or the idea and one guy said he'd support it. That's not some interest. That's a complete lack of interest.
- Misrepresenting Aresco's interview statements

But the blank line-period-blank line offset seen in this thread was what clinched it for me.
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You put Buffalo in the AAC and they instantly jump SU and Army in football. SU football is dead and Army is limited. UB instantly become one of the academic leader in conference. And UB is a NYS state school and all those universities are Basketball crazy. They be at the Siena,St. Johns, Cornell level. They be in the AAC hunt in basketball. UB could work
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Conferences below the AAC on the FBS/D1 totem pole should be very interested in the AAC being allowed to stay at 11 as long as they please. Where do those leagues think the AAC would get their new school from? Themselves. Why would they want to open themselves up to a loss of membership, especially on of their most valuable members?

And the ACC might be interested in divisionless CCG's, too. A lot of schools don't like the divisions. For example, NC State thinks it's asinine to be playing Boston College and Syracuse annually but not Duke, which is 25 minutes down the road.

So it's not a given that the waiver won't be extended. Rather, it's possible it becomes the new rule.
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(06-08-2021 04:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Conferences below the AAC on the FBS/D1 totem pole should be very interested in the AAC being allowed to stay at 11 as long as they please. Where do those leagues think the AAC would get their new school from? Themselves. Why would they want to open themselves up to a loss of membership, especially on of their most valuable members?

And the ACC might be interested in divisionless CCG's, too. A lot of schools don't like the divisions. For example, NC State thinks it's asinine to be playing Boston College and Syracuse annually but not Duke, which is 25 minutes down the road.

So it's not a given that the waiver won't be extended. Rather, it's possible it becomes the new rule.

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(06-08-2021 04:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Conferences below the AAC on the FBS/D1 totem pole should be very interested in the AAC being allowed to stay at 11 as long as they please. Where do those leagues think the AAC would get their new school from? Themselves. Why would they want to open themselves up to a loss of membership, especially on of their most valuable members?

And the ACC might be interested in divisionless CCG's, too. A lot of schools don't like the divisions. For example, NC State thinks it's asinine to be playing Boston College and Syracuse annually but not Duke, which is 25 minutes down the road.

So it's not a given that the waiver won't be extended. Rather, it's possible it becomes the new rule.

Lets hope theyre forced to add someone and that they add the completely wrong school. AAC isnt special and they should stop being cowards and play a full round robin.
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(06-08-2021 05:14 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 04:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Conferences below the AAC on the FBS/D1 totem pole should be very interested in the AAC being allowed to stay at 11 as long as they please. Where do those leagues think the AAC would get their new school from? Themselves. Why would they want to open themselves up to a loss of membership, especially on of their most valuable members?

And the ACC might be interested in divisionless CCG's, too. A lot of schools don't like the divisions. For example, NC State thinks it's asinine to be playing Boston College and Syracuse annually but not Duke, which is 25 minutes down the road.

So it's not a given that the waiver won't be extended. Rather, it's possible it becomes the new rule.

Lets hope theyre forced to add someone and that they add the completely wrong school. AAC isnt special and they should stop being cowards and play a full round robin.

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