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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
(06-08-2021 03:07 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-07-2021 11:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like the AAC could be stuck at 11 for a long time. Aresco needs to get to work on that rule change.

*It would be hypocritical for me to say I haven't looked at this through green-colored glasses. There is a solid add right on the doorstep of AAC.*

Having said that, I think that train has made its last stop. There is no way the NCAA gives AAC an "infinite" extension and I don't think the CCGs will go away. Why? The CCGs are buckets and buckets of money for conferences and networks. No one is tossing that away.

It would also throw college football into complete chaos. If I can get along w/out 12+ teams, then why the hell am I letting 3+ at my table? And conf commissioners are not going to let one conference do it's own thing.

FWIW, I think UAB's chances of getting an AAC invite in the next 5 years are slim to none, with the emphasis on none.

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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
(06-08-2021 08:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 03:07 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-07-2021 11:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like the AAC could be stuck at 11 for a long time. Aresco needs to get to work on that rule change.

*It would be hypocritical for me to say I haven't looked at this through green-colored glasses. There is a solid add right on the doorstep of AAC.*

Having said that, I think that train has made its last stop. There is no way the NCAA gives AAC an "infinite" extension and I don't think the CCGs will go away. Why? The CCGs are buckets and buckets of money for conferences and networks. No one is tossing that away.

It would also throw college football into complete chaos. If I can get along w/out 12+ teams, then why the hell am I letting 3+ at my table? And conf commissioners are not going to let one conference do it's own thing.

FWIW, I think UAB's chances of getting an AAC invite in the next 5 years are slim to none, with the emphasis on none.

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If the AAC is required to have 12 programs for the football title game, UAB might just be the best overall choice for an all-sports invite.

But for an all-sports choice, I remain highly intrigued in the long term with Old Dominion. Would get AAC into Virginia. Good baseball. Strong fan base. Lots to like with the program and location.
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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
they shut the door on Boise because they are realizing finally that JMU has been, and always will be, the best add to the AAC now and for the future.

If you don't think so, it's only because you are stuck looking in the past and not seeing the future.
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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
(06-07-2021 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Boise State just isn’t that good anymore. Never a suitable destination for their olympic sports anyway.

Not good anymore but theyve won nearly 80 percent of their games since joining the MW.

Do you know how many programs would love to win 10 games just once in a decade?
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Due to rather extreme geographic separation from the already far-flung AAC, this was a sensible decision. Travel costs and logistics do matter, particularly with non-fb sports.
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(06-08-2021 08:35 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  But for an all-sports choice, I remain highly intrigued in the long term with Old Dominion. Would get AAC into Virginia. Good baseball. Strong fan base. Lots to like with the program and location.

Adding Old Dominion and talking Navy into playing in the east would go a long way towards fixing the AAC's geography problem.
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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
(06-08-2021 08:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 03:07 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-07-2021 11:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like the AAC could be stuck at 11 for a long time. Aresco needs to get to work on that rule change.

*It would be hypocritical for me to say I haven't looked at this through green-colored glasses. There is a solid add right on the doorstep of AAC.*

Having said that, I think that train has made its last stop. There is no way the NCAA gives AAC an "infinite" extension and I don't think the CCGs will go away. Why? The CCGs are buckets and buckets of money for conferences and networks. No one is tossing that away.

It would also throw college football into complete chaos. If I can get along w/out 12+ teams, then why the hell am I letting 3+ at my table? And conf commissioners are not going to let one conference do it's own thing.

FWIW, I think UAB's chances of getting an AAC invite in the next 5 years are slim to none, with the emphasis on none.

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Agreed. If schools like UAB, Old Dominion, Georgia State, Appalachian State, were going to be invited, it already would have already happened.

The AAC will stay at 11 unless a BYU, Boise, Army or Air Force falls into their lap. I see no indication anyone is going to force their hand.
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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
(06-08-2021 08:50 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:35 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  But for an all-sports choice, I remain highly intrigued in the long term with Old Dominion. Would get AAC into Virginia. Good baseball. Strong fan base. Lots to like with the program and location.

Adding Old Dominion and talking Navy into playing in the east would go a long way towards fixing the AAC's geography problem.

No it wouldn't. You would have to move Cinn into the west and would now have 7 all sports schools in the west with 5 in the east plus Navy for FB only. If (and its not going to happen) Old Dominion was added for all sports they would simply replace UConn in the east for all sports and the divisions would remain the same. Next expansion candidate please step up. 07-coffee3 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-shhhh 04-cheers
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(06-08-2021 09:00 AM)panite Wrote:  No it wouldn't. You would have to move Cinn into the west and would now have 7 all sports schools in the west with 5 in the east plus Navy for FB only.

Cincy's on an island no matter what they do, short of adding Marshall or a MAC school. If they really want a local rival (and I don't think they really do) it's probably easiest to just give them Dayton rather than looking for a football solution. If you plunk Navy and ODU down between Temple and ECU you've stitched together a coherent Mid-Atlantic group of schools for road trips and the like, while U_F have each other and seem generally happy otherwise.

AAC West doesn't really have a geography problem, I've said for while that that half of the conference makes perfect sense. It's really just the ECU-Temple-Cincy triangle that's awkward geographically.
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(06-08-2021 08:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  they shut the door on Boise because they are realizing finally that JMU has been, and always will be, the best add to the AAC now and for the future.

If you don't think so, it's only because you are stuck looking in the past and not seeing the future.

They very well might have been if they had taken that Sun Belt invite back in the day. No way the American takes a direct jump from FCS.
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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
(06-08-2021 08:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 03:07 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(06-07-2021 11:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like the AAC could be stuck at 11 for a long time. Aresco needs to get to work on that rule change.

*It would be hypocritical for me to say I haven't looked at this through green-colored glasses. There is a solid add right on the doorstep of AAC.*

Having said that, I think that train has made its last stop. There is no way the NCAA gives AAC an "infinite" extension and I don't think the CCGs will go away. Why? The CCGs are buckets and buckets of money for conferences and networks. No one is tossing that away.

It would also throw college football into complete chaos. If I can get along w/out 12+ teams, then why the hell am I letting 3+ at my table? And conf commissioners are not going to let one conference do it's own thing.

FWIW, I think UAB's chances of getting an AAC invite in the next 5 years are slim to none, with the emphasis on none.

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Agreed. If schools like UAB, Old Dominion, Georgia State, Appalachian State, were going to be invited, it already would have already happened.

The AAC will stay at 11 unless a BYU, Boise, Army or Air Force falls into their lap. I see no indication anyone is going to force their hand.

I wonder if Army (and the AAC) would consider an arrangement like this. Army becomes a FB only affiliate in the AAC East. Each team is assigned an annual rival from the other division and their record in the division round robin plus their annual rival (six games total, 3H/3A) determines which teams play for the conference championship. Army and Navy are encouraged, but not required, to play other teams from the opposite division. The remaining 10 schools rotate two games a year games against the other division, which are part of the media contract with ESPN.

If Army wants to play a more national (and presumably weaker) schedule, they have six OOC games to play with (one of which would be Air Force). Navy could choose to continue to play 8 games in the AAC, but with Army now being one of those, they are freed up to alternate schools like San Diego State and Hawaii OOC to raise the flag in the Pacific Fleet. If the winner of the Army-Navy game would then have the best record in their division, they would waive their right to play in the CCG in order that the game can be scheduled after the AAC CCG in an exclusive TV window.

Possible annual crossovers:

UCF.......Houston
Cincy.....Memphis
Temple..Tulsa
USF.......SMU
ECU......Tulane
Army.....Navy

This assures strong annual OOD matchups to help ESPN's ratings plus the AAC champ's SOS. As far as I know, this wouldn't require any waivers from the NCAA.
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But the most viable school from an institutional standpoint (Buffalo) is still on its own island. An Ohio MAC school would be more ideal but even a Toledo or Directional Michigan school wouldn't fit institutionally.
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(06-07-2021 10:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The big winner: reality-based readers. This should end the ridiculous 16-24 team coast-to-coast fantasy posts.

Ha ha, no chance. This is the launching point for new threads like, "Is the AAC's non-pursuit of Boise State just a negotiating tactic?" 07-coffee3
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(06-08-2021 09:38 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  they shut the door on Boise because they are realizing finally that JMU has been, and always will be, the best add to the AAC now and for the future.

If you don't think so, it's only because you are stuck looking in the past and not seeing the future.

They very well might have been if they had taken that Sun Belt invite back in the day. No way the American takes a direct jump from FCS.

that's a naive take though and when you stop and think about it, it makes no sense.

since we "turned down" an All Sports invite to the Sun Belt in 2014 (we told them we'd go for football only. the SB said no to that) all we have done since then is:

gone to 3 FCS title games in football, with 1 championship.
are 2-0 against AAC teams in football (beat SMU and embarrassed ECU)
won a National title in Women's lacrosse (2018)
been within 10 minutes of the College Cup (Final 4) in men's soccer (2018)
gone to 3 Super Regionals plus the semi-finals of WCWS in softball(2016,2019,2021)
hosted ESPN College Game Day TWICE (2015,2017)
built a state of the art $100m basketball arena (2020)

exactly what could we have done "more" by being in the Sun Belt those years?
Answer: nothing more. Probably less as the Sun Belt was a terrible footprint for JMU as an all-sports league (Idaho and NM State were still in, Coastal was not. CCU took our invite when we said no) and recruiting would not have been as easy playing so many games in LA, AK, TX.

stop thinking about stupid labels like "FCS". Open your eyes and look at what we are already doing and where we are going.

expansion is about the future, not the past or even about today. The AAC would be stupid to think like that and not look at which programs are trending up and which are stagnating or declining.

JMU has the facilities, the fanbase, the success, the geography and more importantly, we are only getting better and better as time goes on. Think what more we could do as a member of a P6 conference. Any conference outside the P5 should feel fortunate to have us.
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(06-08-2021 08:46 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(06-07-2021 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Boise State just isn’t that good anymore. Never a suitable destination for their olympic sports anyway.

Not good anymore but theyve won nearly 80 percent of their games since joining the MW.

Do you know how many programs would love to win 10 games just once in a decade?

I said THAT good. They’re still a very good program, but they’ve had quite a few losses to average teams. Fringe Top 25 program now.
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Could this signal that some school(s) will be demoted from the P5?
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(06-08-2021 10:09 AM)XLance Wrote:  Could this signal that some school(s) will be demoted from the P5?

How are these two things related to each other?
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"The G5 autobid to the CFP is coming, we don't need Boise anymore."
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It may be too soon to know whether or not the report about Boise State necessarily means that the AAC will be in a position to replace UConn or to expand.

It may be possible that the AAC's aspirations could get an unexpected boost this summer from an earlier than expected consensus on a 12-team CFP expansion format.

Pete Thamel has written an article suggesting that surprisingly rapid progress has been made by the CFP committee's four-member working group toward a recommendation for a 12-team CFP expansion, which - theoretically - could go into effect as early as 2023:

"Yahoo Sports spoke to more than a dozen stakeholders Monday on every side of the playoff decision – university officials, athletic directors, media executives and others around college sports. Amid those conversations, a surprise emerged — officials on campuses, in conference offices and in the television world have expressed an openness toward a 12-team playoff as the most likely result.

While it’s unfair to say momentum has built toward a 12-team playoff before models have been presented to the commissioners or presidents, the 12-team model has emerged as the favored outcome over the eight-team playoff within the industry.


The two days of discussion by the management committee (July 17 & 18) are expected to yield a singular recommendation for the following week. That’s when the CFP board of managers, a group of 11 presidents and chancellors from the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame, will examine what’s put forward and likely determine the potential shape — although not the final details — of the playoff's future."

How would 12 teams work? The basic thought is automatic bids for the five major conferences — which also juices up their league title games as play-in games — and one for the highest ranked Group of Five champion. "

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-footbal...ZBt94PJA2U

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As Thamel has pointed out, there's no assurance that a 12-team CFP expansion would necessarily be approved, and even if it were to be approved, it wouldn't go into effect before 2023, at the earliest.

However, the development of a strong consensus to adopt a 12-team CFP format could make it difficult for the opponents of CFP expansion to block a proposal that has widespread national support.

There are 15 votes on the CFP executive committee. The two PAC-12 representatives and the five G5 representatives would have strong reasons to favor a 12-team CFP expansion, and only one of the 8 ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC representatives would have to side with them in order for a motion to adopt a 12-team CFP format to pass.

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If there is any significant movement toward adoption of a 12-team CFP format during the summer meetings, some of the western schools that the AAC has shown interest in adding may wish to maximize their chances of sending their teams to the playoffs by competing for the AAC championship.

Even the upper echelon FBS independent, BYU, might find it advantageous to join the AAC, since the AAC champion has consistently been the most highly-ranked G5 conference in recent years, and has represented the G5 in four of the past six NY6 bowl series.

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AAC Commissioner, Mike Aresco's phone may not be ringing off the hook at this point, but that might change sooner than anyone has had reason to expect if the surprisingly rapid development of a consensus for a specific CFP expansion format - as described by Thamel - continues to build in the coming weeks.
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RE: Game Over: AAC shuts the door on Boise
AAC should do one of the following:

A)VCU and Air Force or Army football only

B)UAB
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