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David Ubben (Tennessee beat writer @ the Athletic) advocating for Arkansas to the B12


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The last school to leave the SEC was Tulane in 1966. They've regretted it ever since.
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There's a reason why nobody has left in 55 years. Gosh, I wonder what it might be?
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Off season click bait on par with the kind of drizzle who used to do 10 years ago on ESPN.com

Arkansas is fine where they are.
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I don't have the Athletic so I can't read it, but I would bet my life savings that it's better reasoned than 90% of the commentary on this board...
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(06-07-2021 07:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Arkansas is fine where they are.

Same as the clickbait "asking" if Vanderbilt needs to go somewhere else.
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I did not read the article because I know it is absurd. No SEC member is going to voluntarily leave.
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There has been speculative talk of the pigs joining the Big 8/12 that I know about for nearly 50 years. I've heard some stories, don't know how true they are, that the pigs almost joined the Big 8 instead of the SWC.
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(06-07-2021 07:59 PM)AZcats Wrote:  There has been speculative talk of the pigs joining the Big 8/12 that I know about for nearly 50 years. I've heard some stories, don't know how true they are, that the pigs almost joined the Big 8 instead of the SWC.

There's a tale that the Big 8 was talking to Arkansas in the 70's or 80's, but Nebraska blocked their entry. Not sure how true that is.

Apparently, Frank Broyles was afraid they would be left out of the Big 12, so he talked to the SEC, got them in, and started a cycle of conference realignment.

It would be good to have them in the Big 12, but that ship has sailed.

They may not win as many football games in the SEC, and the trips are slightly longer, but those checks sure pay for a lot of things. There's no way they're leaving the SEC.
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(06-07-2021 07:59 PM)AZcats Wrote:  There has been speculative talk of the pigs joining the Big 8/12 that I know about for nearly 50 years. I've heard some stories, don't know how true they are, that the pigs almost joined the Big 8 instead of the SWC.

Not true. Arkansas joined the SWC in 1915, the Big 8 (then the Big 6) didn't form until 1928.
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This has been discussed before on this before. The main point of the argument is that, money aside, Arkansas is likely a better fit in the Big 12 than they are in the SEC. This is true in terms of geography (they are nearer to almost the entire Big 12 than they are to their nearest SEC for), history, cultural alignment, and competitive parity. As an AD, Arkansas sports do very well across the board in the SEC, no real reason to make a move over the non-football sports but no reason to think they would decline in the Big 12.

Football is a different beast, Arkansas has to compete in the SEC West gauntlet and has been hurt by A&M’s admittance to the SEC. The Hogs used to get tons of kids out of Dallas by being the nearest SEC program. They are really behind the 8-ball under the current alignment and even if they exist as a whipping boy, they are well paid for it. The SEC is the top conference and is highly stable. Their fans like being in the SEC and there isn’t enough of a groundswell to force a move under the current alignment.

That said, there is a portion of the Arkansas fanbase that looks at the Big 12 and sees the potential for the Hogs. Beating Texas and OU is a far more realizable goal than beating LSU, Florida, Georgia, Bama in a given year. Arkansas would be more regular competitors and would theoretically have a better shot at championship because they would have a slightly easier road and you could expect Arkansas to live somewhere between Tier 1 and Tier 2 in the Big 12 most years. That’s a much better outlook for their football program which used to be a nationally relevant program compared to their current existence.

Now is Arkansas going to give up all those SEC $$$ to come to the Big 12, no. Is Arkansas going to be motivated to move conferences on the basis that they have stunk and need to lower the floor of their competition, no. Is Arkansas potentially moving out of the SEC a popular topic for Hogville, no. The majority of their fanbase is uninterested. So why does this topic persist? Because there isn’t a whole lot of outright opposition to the idea from both sides. There is some small level of reciprocity in regards to this hypothetical. The Big 12 isn’t going to for the issue or the point, Arkansas isn’t going to seek greener pastures compared to what they currently get, but both groups seem to see the positives of this one more than the negatives. It is just reality then gets in the way.

Such is life, but we love the Hogs.
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(06-07-2021 10:19 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-07-2021 07:59 PM)AZcats Wrote:  There has been speculative talk of the pigs joining the Big 8/12 that I know about for nearly 50 years. I've heard some stories, don't know how true they are, that the pigs almost joined the Big 8 instead of the SWC.

Not true. Arkansas joined the SWC in 1915, the Big 8 (then the Big 6) didn't form until 1928.

"See, what did I tell yah? Arkansas not joining set back the formation of the Big 6 by over a decade!!"
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The biggest reason Arkansas shouldn't consider leaving? Other than the money and the stability and the more national platform they have with the SEC?

Half the reason they might have any temptation to join the Big 12 will be gone within the next few years...
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This article is evidence that the Big 12 is considering expanding prior to their TV contract renegotiation. Ubben is the Big 12’s go-to media guy. They’re obviously still under the ridiculous notion that other P5 schools are interested in joining the Big 12. They’re not. So I’m guessing we’ll see another dog & pony show that ends with no expansion.
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(06-07-2021 07:09 PM)ken d Wrote:  There's a reason why nobody has left in 55 years. Gosh, I wonder what it might be?

I’m sure it must be because of the massive exit fee the SEC imposes on teams that want to leave.

Wait, you’re telling me the SEC is the only major conference without a financial penalty? Well, gee, what could possibly be stopping Arkansas from leaving? (Insert sarcasm emoji here).
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(06-08-2021 05:27 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  This article is evidence that the Big 12 is considering expanding prior to their TV contract renegotiation. Ubben is the Big 12’s go-to media guy. They’re obviously still under the ridiculous notion that other P5 schools are interested in joining the Big 12. They’re not. So I’m guessing we’ll see another dog & pony show that ends with no expansion.

He's now the Tennessee beat writer for the Athletic. But, he has previously been the OU beat writer for the Oklahoman and the Big 12 correspondent for the former Fox Sports Southwest, based in Dallas. Whether he is still plugged into Big 12 sources, who knows?

I lean more toward crazy click bait. I'm sure this idea has been thrown around on both sides, though. I wouldn't blame the Big 12 for going after Arkansas. The Hogs can simply say no.
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If you'd read the article, the second paragraph is this:

Quote:Today, the SEC offers prestige. It offers security. The last time a team left the conference, Americans were still three years away from setting foot on the moon. (Rough call on that one, Tulane.) Most importantly, it offers more cash than anyone could have dreamed of when the Hogs made the move.

However...

Quote:Arkansas can soothe its sorrows by counting its money from SEC membership. A move to the Big 12 would introduce risk and probably cost the university a few million dollars per year. Last year, the SEC distributed $45.5 million to member schools. The Big 12 handed out $37.7 million.

That affects fans … how, exactly?

The author's point is, yes, Arkansas makes more money in the SEC than they would in the Big XII. But, Arkansas has been largely irrelevant in football, Arkansas' fans still don't really give a **** about any other "rival" in the SEC (and vice versa), and there are natural rivalries in the Big XII with the Oklahoma schools and Texas (all of whom are geographically closer to Fayetteville than the SEC "rivals"). Arkansas' biggest alumni base outside the state is DFW.

It will never happen, he acknowledges that, but from every perspective except raw income, it makes sense.
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You can’t just send Arkansas to the big 12 by themselves. Would Arkansas and Missouri be better off joining a 12 team big 12? Would the sec be better off with only 12 teams if it lost Arkansas and Missouri ? It would probably be better if you sent Arkansas and Nebraska to the big 12 with Missouri going to the big 10. I think it would work great for everyone if you could also send WVU to the ACC and Florida state to the big 12, so the big 12 would have a Florida foothold. Thus, the big 12 would lose WVU and add Nebraska, Arkansas, and Florida state with the big 10 losing Nebraska and adding Missouri and the ACC losing Florida state and adding WVU. The only way this would happen is if the p5 broke away and reorganized among themselves post split. The P5 could have a 16 team ACC (also add Cincinnati), 14 team big 10 and 12 teams in the sec, pac 12 and big 12.
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(06-08-2021 09:41 AM)bluesox Wrote:  You can’t just send Arkansas to the big 12 by themselves. Would Arkansas and Missouri be better off joining a 12 team big 12? Would the sec be better off with only 12 teams if it lost Arkansas and Missouri ? It would probably be better if you sent Arkansas and Nebraska to the big 12 with Missouri going to the big 10. I think it would work great for everyone if you could also send WVU to the ACC and Florida state to the big 12, so the big 12 would have a Florida foothold. Thus, the big 12 would lose WVU and add Nebraska, Arkansas, and Florida state with the big 10 losing Nebraska and adding Missouri and the ACC losing Florida state and adding WVU. The only way this would happen is if the p5 broke away and reorganized among themselves post split.

If we’re already talking hypotheticals. I think if you already have Mizzou and Arkansas in hand, then you go and talk to Nebraska. They don’t like the Big 10 and have a great preference for their old Big 8 foes. If you can demonstrate that teams that previously left can be brought back into the fold without issue, then I think there would be a strong chance of Nebraska returning to the Big 12. Especially in an alignment that gives them more access to Oklahoma.
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