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(06-08-2021 01:01 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:58 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:09 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 07:48 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  We'll lose some of our best players, some of them proven to be very good. The only ones we'll get from P5 are ones that are sitting on the bench. They might be good, but it will be a shot in the dark. And the constant turnover won't be good either, in the long run.
Even if this is true (and I’m not sure it is), every other mid major will be going through the same thing. It seems like we’re complaining just to complain about being a small school.

Yes, but that doesn't make it any better. College football is already at a disadvantage compared to the NFL. If you can't keep a good player (Wolfe, Turner, etc.) for more than a year because they can transfer so easily, that is going to hurt whatever fan interest our crappy schedules have left us with.

I mean sorry, but we don’t get to restrict athletes ability to upgrade their situations for our entertainment.

You are absolutely right on that comment. We need to separate the athletic part and look at the person as a young college kid that wants to transfer to another college that suits him better. If a kid got a full ride to NIU to study Physics and he was a stud in the physics department, would you fault him if he transferred to MIT after his junior year? Ok, maybe that wasn't the best example because no one would really care if someone transferred from the physics dept. But i hope you get the jist.
I think what it will come down to is what situation will give the person the best opportunity for playing time and exposure to the scouts if desire for a possible job in the NFL.
Nah it was absolutely a perfect example lol. I’m also not sure how it’s 2021 and people can’t major in intercollegiate athletics like you can in theater, art, fashion, etc but that’s a larger conversation.
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(06-08-2021 09:54 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
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(06-07-2021 08:26 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  We didnt even get to the fact that the dude who sang - Riccoo Suaveee- was one of the jocks in Can’t buy me love. Now on to 3 O’clock High

Hmmm...

Three O'clock High. Much more of a niche film but a classic nonetheless.

BR, perfectly said about 3 O'clock High. The Cinematography was ahead of its time.
The Farrelly Brothers must have been a fan of the movie because they always used Richard Tyson(Buddy Revell) in their movies...or they were big Kindergarten Cop fans.

Buddy Revell vs Ricky Linderman. Who ya got?

That would be a great matchup. I saw My Bodyguard recently. It was funny to see Matt Dillon and Joan Cusack so young. Great Chicago scenes.
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RE: Tampering
(06-08-2021 01:01 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:58 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:09 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 07:48 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  We'll lose some of our best players, some of them proven to be very good. The only ones we'll get from P5 are ones that are sitting on the bench. They might be good, but it will be a shot in the dark. And the constant turnover won't be good either, in the long run.
Even if this is true (and I’m not sure it is), every other mid major will be going through the same thing. It seems like we’re complaining just to complain about being a small school.

Yes, but that doesn't make it any better. College football is already at a disadvantage compared to the NFL. If you can't keep a good player (Wolfe, Turner, etc.) for more than a year because they can transfer so easily, that is going to hurt whatever fan interest our crappy schedules have left us with.

I mean sorry, but we don’t get to restrict athletes ability to upgrade their situations for our entertainment.

You are absolutely right on that comment. We need to separate the athletic part and look at the person as a young college kid that wants to transfer to another college that suits him better. If a kid got a full ride to NIU to study Physics and he was a stud in the physics department, would you fault him if he transferred to MIT after his junior year? Ok, maybe that wasn't the best example because no one would really care if someone transferred from the physics dept. But i hope you get the jist.
I think what it will come down to is what situation will give the person the best opportunity for playing time and exposure to the scouts if they desire for a possible job in the NFL.

259

Out of roughly 3,500 get drafted into the NFL.

7.4%

If you're telling a kid your school is the pathway to the NFL, you are lying.
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RE: Tampering
(06-08-2021 01:13 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:01 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:58 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:09 AM)7 Wrote:  Even if this is true (and I’m not sure it is), every other mid major will be going through the same thing. It seems like we’re complaining just to complain about being a small school.

Yes, but that doesn't make it any better. College football is already at a disadvantage compared to the NFL. If you can't keep a good player (Wolfe, Turner, etc.) for more than a year because they can transfer so easily, that is going to hurt whatever fan interest our crappy schedules have left us with.

I mean sorry, but we don’t get to restrict athletes ability to upgrade their situations for our entertainment.

You are absolutely right on that comment. We need to separate the athletic part and look at the person as a young college kid that wants to transfer to another college that suits him better. If a kid got a full ride to NIU to study Physics and he was a stud in the physics department, would you fault him if he transferred to MIT after his junior year? Ok, maybe that wasn't the best example because no one would really care if someone transferred from the physics dept. But i hope you get the jist.
I think what it will come down to is what situation will give the person the best opportunity for playing time and exposure to the scouts if they desire for a possible job in the NFL.

259

Out of roughly 3,500 get drafted into the NFL.

7.4%

If you're telling a kid your school is the pathway to the NFL, you are lying.

Now do the numbers and separate P5 from the rest of college football
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I realize this flies directly in the face of my last post, but is there a long list of guys who transfer up a level that go onto great success? Vernon Adams didn’t exactly pan out. We’ll see how King bounces back from his injury. I just don’t think these worries are based in any sort of fact.
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(06-08-2021 01:35 PM)7 Wrote:  I realize this flies directly in the face of my last post, but is there a long list of guys who transfer up a level that go onto great success? Vernon Adams didn’t exactly pan out. We’ll see how King bounces back from his injury. I just don’t think these worries are based in any sort of fact.

I'm unable to figure out (quickly) how many P5 players were eligible for this past draft. I'm sure it changes yearly but is fairly steady.

I do know there are just over 5,600 P5 scholarships but obviously those players are not all draft eligible.

If went with a straight 25%, that would leave you with 1,402.5 players. Knowing not all 259 drafted players come from P5 but assuming everyone one did, that's still just 18.4% of P5 players.

No matter how you want to cut it up (its probably about 15% but maybe slightly lower), it's a terrible ratio.

As for a track record of guys moving up to P5 and then going on to NFL success. I'd say the list is really short, but that was also hampered by the more restrictive rules on transferring.

Also, I think someone here noted a few months ago that many players who transfer "up" don't get scholarships. They're just going because it's a P5 schools/experience.

How do you compete with that?

They're going somewhere where they don't have a scholarship and probably aren't making the NFL. But yet more and more of them go each year and now its easier than ever to make that move.

But why? Well, they're being persuaded by someone.

And that someone is doing it for their own benefit and it often doesn't work out well for the student.

Although, maybe they just want to play in a P5 stadium on a regular basis and that's it. I guess who am I to say you shouldn't even though you made a commitment?
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RE: Tampering
(06-08-2021 01:13 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:01 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:58 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 08:09 AM)7 Wrote:  Even if this is true (and I’m not sure it is), every other mid major will be going through the same thing. It seems like we’re complaining just to complain about being a small school.

Yes, but that doesn't make it any better. College football is already at a disadvantage compared to the NFL. If you can't keep a good player (Wolfe, Turner, etc.) for more than a year because they can transfer so easily, that is going to hurt whatever fan interest our crappy schedules have left us with.

I mean sorry, but we don’t get to restrict athletes ability to upgrade their situations for our entertainment.

You are absolutely right on that comment. We need to separate the athletic part and look at the person as a young college kid that wants to transfer to another college that suits him better. If a kid got a full ride to NIU to study Physics and he was a stud in the physics department, would you fault him if he transferred to MIT after his junior year? Ok, maybe that wasn't the best example because no one would really care if someone transferred from the physics dept. But i hope you get the jist.
I think what it will come down to is what situation will give the person the best opportunity for playing time and exposure to the scouts if they desire for a possible job in the NFL.

259

Out of roughly 3,500 get drafted into the NFL.

7.4%

If you're telling a kid your school is the pathway to the NFL, you are lying.

You don't think Saban or Swinney are telling recruits that if they earn a starting spot at Bama or Clemson, there is a great chance they get drafted or at worst, an UDFA contract? Hell Yeah!
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(06-08-2021 09:12 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:13 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 01:01 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:58 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-08-2021 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Yes, but that doesn't make it any better. College football is already at a disadvantage compared to the NFL. If you can't keep a good player (Wolfe, Turner, etc.) for more than a year because they can transfer so easily, that is going to hurt whatever fan interest our crappy schedules have left us with.

I mean sorry, but we don’t get to restrict athletes ability to upgrade their situations for our entertainment.

You are absolutely right on that comment. We need to separate the athletic part and look at the person as a young college kid that wants to transfer to another college that suits him better. If a kid got a full ride to NIU to study Physics and he was a stud in the physics department, would you fault him if he transferred to MIT after his junior year? Ok, maybe that wasn't the best example because no one would really care if someone transferred from the physics dept. But i hope you get the jist.
I think what it will come down to is what situation will give the person the best opportunity for playing time and exposure to the scouts if they desire for a possible job in the NFL.

259

Out of roughly 3,500 get drafted into the NFL.

7.4%

If you're telling a kid your school is the pathway to the NFL, you are lying.

You don't think Saban or Swinney are telling recruits that if they earn a starting spot at Bama or Clemson, there is a great chance they get drafted or at worst, an UDFA contract? Hell Yeah!

Well, Alabama is definitely your best shot. Ohio State, Georgia and Notre Dame too.

Hell, Clemson only had 5 players drafted this past draft. Granted, these things are not constants year to year. But there were 10 schools that had more players drafted in 2021 than Clemson including Pitt and Kentucky.

That's not good for Lil' Ol' Clemson.
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