Total revenue per University:

ODU $42,629,922
Rice $42,045,636
UNT $40,063,458
FIU $37,417,126
UAB $35,725,431
Charlotte $34,983,604
MTSU $34,840,886
FAU $32,271,156
Marshall $31,803,256
UTSA $29,952,607
UTEP $29,468,952
WKU $26,568,285
USM $22,793,590
LT $21,717,648

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search

Two frequently talked about universities

JMU $48,062,926
Liberty $47,756,081

Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

I feel like we talk about this just as often as the realignment threads come up. Some athletic programs get state funds, and some get none. Some get a mix of state funds and student fees. You can't compare apples to apples, unless you account for this difference.

(06-04-2021 08:20 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

I feel like we talk about this just as often as the realignment threads come up. Some athletic programs get state funds, and some get none. Some get a mix of state funds and student fees. You can't compare apples to apples, unless you account for this difference.

clt says don’t forget some cities giving free FB stadiums away…

Some schools just win championships and divisional titles and dont worry about "revenue" numbers.


Hilltopper Athletic Foundation
November 11, 2020 ·
Over the past decade, @WKUSports has secured 50 conference championships!

(06-04-2021 09:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some schools just win championships and divisional titles and dont worry about "revenue" numbers.


Hilltopper Athletic Foundation
November 11, 2020 ·
Over the past decade, @WKUSports has secured 50 conference championships!

Western definitely does the most with less. That championship differential is impressive.

I'm curious if North Texas has moved into second with our championships from this 2020-2021 year.

I can't say that I have ever seen another school brag about how little support they get, but it does set you apart. You do you.

(06-04-2021 08:20 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

I feel like we talk about this just as often as the realignment threads come up. Some athletic programs get state funds, and some get none. Some get a mix of state funds and student fees. You can't compare apples to apples, unless you account for this difference.

but you can look at the latest available numbers and subtract the academic side subsidies and student fees from those numbers and get a much better idea

this is how it would be for CUSA for the FY 2018-19 which is one year prior to the OPs numbers that do not break out academic side support and student fees

Revenue ......Subsidy ........Unsubsidized
Old Dominion ..$46,956,655 ..$28,784,075 ..$18,172,580
Marshall ..$32,905,904 ..$15,723,601 ..$17,182,303
Florida Atlantic ..$36,297,004 ..$20,701,477 ..$15,595,527
Southern Mississippi ..$25,687,189 ..$11,521,618 ..$14,165,571
Louisiana Tech ..$24,948,474 ..$10,957,979 ..$13,990,495
Alabama at Birmingham ..$36,494,381 ..$23,108,800 ..$13,385,581
Texas-San Antonio ..$33,657,739 ..$20,488,500 ..$13,169,239
Charlotte ..$40,866,430 ..$27,787,506 ..$13,078,924
Western Kentucky ..$30,770,123 ..$17,903,051 ..$12,867,072
Texas-El Paso ..$33,481,654 ..$20,797,127 ..$12,684,527
North Texas ..$40,758,582 ..$28,103,022 ..$12,655,560
Middle Tennessee ..$35,834,204 ..$23,945,453 ..$11,888,751
Florida International ..$37,018,133 ..$28,557,998 ..$8,460,135

(06-04-2021 10:33 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:20 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

I feel like we talk about this just as often as the realignment threads come up. Some athletic programs get state funds, and some get none. Some get a mix of state funds and student fees. You can't compare apples to apples, unless you account for this difference.

but you can look at the latest available numbers and subtract the academic side subsidies and student fees from those numbers and get a much better idea

this is how it would be for CUSA for the FY 2018-19 which is one year prior to the OPs numbers that do not break out academic side support and student fees

Revenue ......Subsidy ........Unsubsidized
Old Dominion ..$46,956,655 ..$28,784,075 ..$18,172,580
Marshall ..$32,905,904 ..$15,723,601 ..$17,182,303
Florida Atlantic ..$36,297,004 ..$20,701,477 ..$15,595,527
Southern Mississippi ..$25,687,189 ..$11,521,618 ..$14,165,571
Louisiana Tech ..$24,948,474 ..$10,957,979 ..$13,990,495
Alabama at Birmingham ..$36,494,381 ..$23,108,800 ..$13,385,581
Texas-San Antonio ..$33,657,739 ..$20,488,500 ..$13,169,239
Charlotte ..$40,866,430 ..$27,787,506 ..$13,078,924
Western Kentucky ..$30,770,123 ..$17,903,051 ..$12,867,072
Texas-El Paso ..$33,481,654 ..$20,797,127 ..$12,684,527
North Texas ..$40,758,582 ..$28,103,022 ..$12,655,560
Middle Tennessee ..$35,834,204 ..$23,945,453 ..$11,888,751
Florida International ..$37,018,133 ..$28,557,998 ..$8,460,135

^ That sheds a different light on the big picture

(06-04-2021 09:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some schools just win championships and divisional titles and dont worry about "revenue" numbers.


Hilltopper Athletic Foundation
November 11, 2020 ·
Over the past decade, @WKUSports has secured 50 conference championships!

27?!! I would actually be very interested to see what year/sport they are in. That is very impressive.

(06-04-2021 10:51 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 09:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some schools just win championships and divisional titles and dont worry about "revenue" numbers.


Hilltopper Athletic Foundation
November 11, 2020 ·
Over the past decade, @WKUSports has secured 50 conference championships!

27?!! I would actually be very interested to see what year/sport they are in. That is very impressive.

2 football and I believe the others are softball, wbb, and volleyball. WKU fans will say for sure though.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...s/c56c51c0

This paints a more accurate picture. Everyone likes to point out Student Fee's but their state calls that "Institutional/Government Support". You'll notice ODU has nothing in that column. It's just how the state reports it. We're all sitting at the kids table.

Since we're measuring stuff I like that report because you can quickly filter out and compare apples to apples.

Image: Just Ticket Sales and Donor revenue.

Pound for pound I don't see anyone doing more with less than La Tech.

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

They are indicative of a financially feasible athletic department if the subsidies are sustainable. And, since these types of fees have been approved by our students, they are very sustainable.

(06-04-2021 10:38 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 10:33 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:20 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

I feel like we talk about this just as often as the realignment threads come up. Some athletic programs get state funds, and some get none. Some get a mix of state funds and student fees. You can't compare apples to apples, unless you account for this difference.

but you can look at the latest available numbers and subtract the academic side subsidies and student fees from those numbers and get a much better idea

this is how it would be for CUSA for the FY 2018-19 which is one year prior to the OPs numbers that do not break out academic side support and student fees

Revenue ......Subsidy ........Unsubsidized
Old Dominion ..$46,956,655 ..$28,784,075 ..$18,172,580
Marshall ..$32,905,904 ..$15,723,601 ..$17,182,303
Florida Atlantic ..$36,297,004 ..$20,701,477 ..$15,595,527
Southern Mississippi ..$25,687,189 ..$11,521,618 ..$14,165,571
Louisiana Tech ..$24,948,474 ..$10,957,979 ..$13,990,495
Alabama at Birmingham ..$36,494,381 ..$23,108,800 ..$13,385,581
Texas-San Antonio ..$33,657,739 ..$20,488,500 ..$13,169,239
Charlotte ..$40,866,430 ..$27,787,506 ..$13,078,924
Western Kentucky ..$30,770,123 ..$17,903,051 ..$12,867,072
Texas-El Paso ..$33,481,654 ..$20,797,127 ..$12,684,527
North Texas ..$40,758,582 ..$28,103,022 ..$12,655,560
Middle Tennessee ..$35,834,204 ..$23,945,453 ..$11,888,751
Florida International ..$37,018,133 ..$28,557,998 ..$8,460,135

^ That sheds a different light on the big picture

When considering student fees, university subsidies, and state funding for athletics, I think we need to remember that our universities are all very different. LA Tech and Marshall have student bodies of around 13,000 students, while FIU has over 58,000 students. Why would anyone expect all three athletic departments to have similar numbers when it comes to financial subsidies?

It doesn't matter if you get $10 million or $100 mill from any source if you don't use it wisely you will not get good results.

(06-04-2021 09:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some schools just win championships and divisional titles and dont worry about "revenue" numbers.


Hilltopper Athletic Foundation
November 11, 2020 ·
Over the past decade, @WKUSports has secured 50 conference championships!

How many of these championships are won by Women's volleyball?

CUSA has a chart with all the championships through the 18-19 season.

https://conferenceusa.com/documents/2017...mpions.pdf

(06-05-2021 12:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

They are indicative of a financially feasible athletic department if the subsidies are sustainable. And, since these types of fees have been approved by our students, they are very sustainable.

$15.49 million of the academic subsidy for north Texas state was not approved by the students and is not at all sustainable and if challenged could be illegal or at least in violation of the student vote (and subsequent legislation) that did approve the the first student fee and the second vote that allowed it to be raised

same with a number of other universities in Texas

(06-05-2021 05:08 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-05-2021 12:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 08:10 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Student subsidies are not impressive or indicative of a financially feasible athletic department.

They are indicative of a financially feasible athletic department if the subsidies are sustainable. And, since these types of fees have been approved by our students, they are very sustainable.

$15.49 million of the academic subsidy for north Texas state was not approved by the students and is not at all sustainable and if challenged could be illegal or at least in violation of the student vote (and subsequent legislation) that did approve the the first student fee and the second vote that allowed it to be raised

same with a number of other universities in Texas