memtigbb Wrote:we have an issue with incarceration. There are people in jail over crap that jail is not going to help or reform.

going to jail is supposed to "help"?

Dude, you need to sue Memphis for a refund. You've obviously failed to accumulate knowledge at that institution.

(06-05-2021 07:37 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

memtigbb Wrote:we have an issue with incarceration. There are people in jail over crap that jail is not going to help or reform.

going to jail is supposed to "help"?

Dude, you need to sue Memphis for a refund. You've obviously failed to accumulate knowledge at that institution.

You are an idiot to even suggest such a thing.

If you had any accumulated knowledge from any institution you would know jails (according to our justice system) have 4 major purposes.


REHABILITATION being one of them... idiot.

ok

AOC is another in an long line of liberal idealists that have simplistic solutions to complicated problems. Unfortunately...like LBJs great society...they fail due to not understanding the human nature of those you seek to help.

Build as man jails as needed to punish violent criminals..but..make those incarcerated there serve the entire sentence they are given. No way a person should get out of prison in 10 years for murder..but..they do. They say you can't stop violent crime by building prisons. I say BS. They cant commit crimes in prison. Lock them up and keep them there.

We all know the root cause of all of this mess...The break down of the traditional family unit and a system of institutionalized welfare that does nothing to help people but instead makes them dependent on the state and breaks their desire to achieve the American Dream. The result are kids learning the tools for life on the street..not in the classroom, church and at home.

just to recap the lunacy here:

• Jails are built to "help";
• Young black men are 'disproportionately' residents of these jails;
• To stop crime, let's build LESS jails;
• Therefore with less jails, we are "helping" FEWER black males.
  

That's racist.

There is a certain portion of our population that will never be law abiding citizens. This is verifiable. Those people should not be allowed to live in polite society. Period.

If they want us to live in the Wild Wild West, that's different, and I approve.

(06-05-2021 08:39 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  There is a certain portion of our population that will never be law abiding citizens. This is verifiable. Those people should not be allowed to live in polite society. Period.

If they want us to live in the Wild Wild West, that's different, and I approve.

I agree. Only 3.6 % of violent criminals serve 20 years in prison. That should tell us all we need to know. Lock up those that are a threat to society and throw away the key.

I don't know where exactly I stand. I think that there are too many drug users incarcerated that shouldn't be. Heck, if you want to be stupid and use drugs and that some of them kill you then why should you be stopped. If those individuals that truly want to stop then give them the needed resources to do so, but don't put them in jail like for 10 years. Put them in jail just long enough for them to rid their bodies of drugs...you know like rehabbed centers do. There shouldn't be a mandatory sentence.

Now, for criminals who kill and they have definite proof of their culpabilty then book them and throw the key away. Dwi's should be allowed to remain unjailed but should not be allowed to drive. How many of us can actually be guilty of dwi? I know I was in my youth and now I don't. You shouldn't take away the means of supporting someones family by putting the person in jail. You're not helping anyone by doing that and the ones that suffer the most are their families. Force them to find alternate means to their jobs and anywhere they want to go by taking away their vehicle keys. Make them report to parole officers too to remind them why they're being made to take public transportation and friendly people that want to help them to their jobs.

Now, for crimes of theft make the person pay restitution to the victim in lieu of a jail cell. I know that this would be hard but heck, if no one was hurt then don't make a mountain our of a molehill.

What I'm trying to make you see is that you do not help an individual by taking their means of providing for their families by putting them in jail. If it's a non-violent crime there's other ways of punishing someone instead of making whole families suffer what their dads/moms did/do.

I'm all or violent criminals being put away from a civilized society but there's many that don't belong in jail cells away from their families and the support they provide. Repeat offenders may have to be rehabbed in jail sometimes though. I know that if I screwed up and given a choice I'd be trying my darndest not to make my family suffer by repeating a screwup.

(06-05-2021 08:39 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  There is a certain portion of our population that will never be law abiding citizens. This is verifiable. Those people should not be allowed to live in polite society. Period.

If they want us to live in the Wild Wild West, that's different, and I approve.

Hell yeah.

(06-04-2021 11:14 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 10:59 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 10:35 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  That's about the kind of response I'd expect.

Is it? You still don't seem to understand. You can have Covid even if you haven't been tested for it. Testing less doesn't make Covid go away.

He wasn't saying the cases didn't exist. He was saying the numbers being reported in other countries would be higher if they tested more just as our number of reported cases would be lower if we tested less. As we all know by now reported cases are not the same as actual cases.

Horrible spin, dude.

I'm sure to you it is as it doesn't fit the narrative you constantly try to put forth. There are a lot of things Trump said that I didn't agree with but I can see what he was trying to say in this case.

Your trying to talk common sense to nut job who only spews party line dogma. You might as well be talking to a mud fence. He can’t think for himself or even give his only personal opinion if it doesn’t conform to the party dogma.

(06-05-2021 08:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Build as man jails as needed to punish violent criminals..but..make those incarcerated there serve the entire sentence they are given. No way a person should get out of prison in 10 years for murder..but..they do. They say you can't stop violent crime by building prisons. I say BS. They cant commit crimes in prison. Lock them up and keep them there.

We all know the root cause of all of this mess...The break down of the traditional family unit and a system of institutionalized welfare that does nothing to help people but instead makes them dependent on the state and breaks their desire to achieve the American Dream. The result are kids learning the tools for life on the street..not in the classroom, church and at home.

Spot on. Gold Star quality comment.

(06-04-2021 10:00 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 09:50 AM)Danforth Wrote:  I don't think the answer is to stop building jails but it is unfortunate that in the greatest country in the world, we have the most criminals.

Why is that Boy Wonder?

I don't know. Maybe because we are the richest country in the world so we have a lot of stuff to steal.

Why do you think?