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(06-30-2021 09:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Wild— your 4 top champs are:

1 Ohio St
5 Alabama
6 Oklahoma
9 USC

your bracket is:

8 Georgia @ 7 Michigan / 1 Ohio St*
13 Ohio* @ 2 Texas/ 9 USC*

11 Wisconsin @ 3 Notre Dame/ 6 Oklahoma*
10 Clemson* @ 4 Miami / 5 Alabama*

Crazy that only 1 Champ finished in the Top 4. Eyeing the UW-ND, UM-OSU, and Miami-Alabama rematches, and opening the door for traditional bowl pairings, this could be the bracket. Realizing that lots of subjectivity is put into rearranging the bracket even when preserving byes and home games, which is tricky.

1 Ohio State vs. 8 USC (ROSE)
10 Clemson @ 4 Texas vs. 5 Alabama (SUGAR)
12 Ohio @ 2 Notre Dame vs. 9 Georgia @ 7 Michigan (FIESTA/COTTON)
11 Wisconsin @ 3 Miami vs. 6 Oklahoma (ORANGE/PEACH)
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(07-01-2021 03:30 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 09:28 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I'd probably say 1. Ohio State, 2. Miami, 3. Alabama, 4. Notre Dame over 5. Texas. Had Oregon won, I would've had them #4.

Ohio State and Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl
Alabama and Miami in the Cotton Bowl

Michigan vs. USC in the Rose Bowl
Texas vs. Georgia in the Sugar Bowl
Clemson vs. Wisconsin in the Peach Bowl
Ohio vs. Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl

Oklahoma gets that Sugar spot as Big 12 Champ, pushing Texas into the Wisconsin or Oregon spot.

Simulated NY6:
COTTON: #1 Ohio State vs. #4 Miami
ORANGE: #2 Texas vs. #3 Notre Dame
SUGAR: #5 Alabama vs. #6 Oklahoma
ROSE: #7 Michigan vs. #9 USC
FIESTA: #8 Georgia vs. #11 Wisconsin
PEACH: #10 Clemson vs. #13 Ohio

Can you imagine the outrage in Tuscaloosa if SEC Champ Alabama was left out?

There would be outcry across the South for playoff expansion
07-02-2021 06:34 PM
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RE: Crayton's 2021 Simulation [CCGs Complete]
(07-02-2021 06:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(07-02-2021 01:20 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 09:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Wild— your 4 top champs are:

1 Ohio St
5 Alabama
6 Oklahoma
9 USC

your bracket is:

8 Georgia @ 7 Michigan / 1 Ohio St*
13 Ohio* @ 2 Texas/ 9 USC*

11 Wisconsin @ 3 Notre Dame/ 6 Oklahoma*
10 Clemson* @ 4 Miami / 5 Alabama*

Crazy that only 1 Champ finished in the Top 4. Eyeing the UW-ND, UM-OSU, and Miami-Alabama rematches, and opening the door for traditional bowl pairings, this could be the bracket. Realizing that lots of subjectivity is put into rearranging the bracket even when preserving byes and home games, which is tricky.

1 Ohio State vs. 8 USC (ROSE)
10 Clemson @ 4 Texas vs. 5 Alabama (SUGAR)
12 Ohio @ 2 Notre Dame vs. 9 Georgia @ 7 Michigan (FIESTA/COTTON)
11 Wisconsin @ 3 Miami vs. 6 Oklahoma (ORANGE/PEACH)

Will have to see how the 12 Team CFP proposal pan out but I think the bowl sites will probably be catered to the champs who get the byes—that would put Oklahoma’s quadrant in the Fiesta or Cotton.

With both the Big Ten and PAC 12 champs getting byes that creates a conundrum for the Rose Bowl—does Ohio St get first dibs since they are ranked higher, or does USC get it due to proximity?

Or does some wild rule get invoked where, when both the Big 10 and PAC 12 have champs who are among the top 4, that both their champs go to the Rose Bowl after a first round bye? This would mean that one of the other bowls wouldn’t know either of its participants on selection Sunday.

IMO fairest option would be highest ranked in the 12 team playoff gets the Rose Bowl. Best option for the Rose Bowl I'm sure would be proximity. If one of those two conference champs gets to play in that bowl I would go with highest ranked gets priority. I wouldn't force the match-up just for the sake of tradition if the seeding doesn't work out.
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(07-02-2021 06:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Can you imagine the outrage in Tuscaloosa if SEC Champ Alabama was left out?

There would be outcry across the South for playoff expansion

Looked a little deeper into the "why" of them being left out. Before the CCGs, a 12-1 Alabama was given a 76% chance of making the playoff while a 11-1 Miami was given only a 14% chance.

Without going into the actual machinations, the reason for this is that Alabama and Miami were only compared to each other. If Texas had lost by a bit more than 3, they may have fallen to that same level; if Alabama would have won by a bit more than 3, they may have surpassed Notre Dame.

In a 3-way comparison, the Champions of the SEC would be first choice, Miami likely last (in some scenarios behind even Oklahoma). But because the Big 12 and SEC games were not soul-stomping affairs, Texas stayed ranked high due to the Big 12's superior Strength and the committee simply compared Alabama to Miami and could not overlook the season-opener.

Not saying it is correct or as-it-should-be, just how the computer committee works. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned the fact that ND (win) and UM (lose) both played UNC. Texas (win by 18) and Alabama (win by 30) both played Arkansas. Common opponents is not something I've included. I don't know exactly where or how it might fit, but something to consider.

(06-30-2021 08:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 08:50 PM)Crayton Wrote:  CCG Results
31-34 // #2 Texas (12-0) vs. #13 Oklahoma (10-2)
28-31 // #5 Georgia (11-1) vs. #6 Alabama (11-1)
62-3 // #53 Louisiana (8-4) vs. #57 Coastal Carolina (9-3)

Coastal Carolina didn't care at all.

Had Coastal defeated Louisiana 62-3 (albeit a 118 point swing), it would have been enough for the committee to consider Texas's strength of record on par with Alabama's. Alabama (as a conference champion) gets the 3 seed, Texas 4, Miami falls to 5th.
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(07-04-2021 06:47 AM)Crayton Wrote:  
(07-02-2021 06:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Can you imagine the outrage in Tuscaloosa if SEC Champ Alabama was left out?

There would be outcry across the South for playoff expansion

Looked a little deeper into the "why" of them being left out. Before the CCGs, a 12-1 Alabama was given a 76% chance of making the playoff while a 11-1 Miami was given only a 14% chance.

Without going into the actual machinations, the reason for this is that Alabama and Miami were only compared to each other. If Texas had lost by a bit more than 3, they may have fallen to that same level; if Alabama would have won by a bit more than 3, they may have surpassed Notre Dame.

In a 3-way comparison, the Champions of the SEC would be first choice, Miami likely last (in some scenarios behind even Oklahoma). But because the Big 12 and SEC games were not soul-stomping affairs, Texas stayed ranked high due to the Big 12's superior Strength and the committee simply compared Alabama to Miami and could not overlook the season-opener.

Not saying it is correct or as-it-should-be, just how the computer committee works. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned the fact that ND (win) and UM (lose) both played UNC. Texas (win by 18) and Alabama (win by 30) both played Arkansas. Common opponents is not something I've included. I don't know exactly where or how it might fit, but something to consider.

(06-30-2021 08:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(06-30-2021 08:50 PM)Crayton Wrote:  CCG Results
31-34 // #2 Texas (12-0) vs. #13 Oklahoma (10-2)
28-31 // #5 Georgia (11-1) vs. #6 Alabama (11-1)
62-3 // #53 Louisiana (8-4) vs. #57 Coastal Carolina (9-3)

Coastal Carolina didn't care at all.

Had Coastal defeated Louisiana 62-3 (albeit a 118 point swing), it would have been enough for the committee to consider Texas's strength of record on par with Alabama's. Alabama (as a conference champion) gets the 3 seed, Texas 4, Miami falls to 5th.

Big 12's "superior strength"? Oklahoma lost AT HOME to a sub .500 Nebraska. Here are the Big 12 records going into the last game:

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Big 12
#X Texas (11-0, 8-0 Big 12) (399-187)
#14 Oklahoma (9-2, 7-1 Big 12) (436-181)
#23 OK State (8-3, 5-3 Big 12) (340-280)
#22 TCU (8-3, 5-3 Big 12) (372-291)
#36 Iowa St (7-4, 4-4 Big 12) (294-291)
#61 West Virginia (5-6, 3-5 Big 12) (288-313)
#54 Baylor (6-5, 3-5 Big 12) (235-324)
#97 Kansas (3-8, 2-6 Big 12) (246-365)
#74 Kansas St (4-7, 2-6 Big 12) (293-278)
#104 Texas Tech (3-8, 1-7 Big 12) (275-343)
>

Three teams in the conference finished below .500 overall (West Virginia won to finish .500). Oklahoma State and TCU lost in the last week so only Oklahoma and Texas finished with fewer than four losses.

There is no reason Texas should be in the top four let alone #2 after blowing the Big 12 championship to a team that can't even beat Nebraska on its home field. Who did they beat other than Oklahoma? Arkansas? So did Alabama! Maybe Texas doesn't get left out but Alabama isn't going to. The only team to lose its conference championship game and still make the CFP was Notre Dame last year and they lost to a one loss Clemson team (and the one loss was to Notre Dame). I highly doubt you can lose to a two loss team and still make it. There would be a huge uproar if Miami got left out in favor of Alabama. Maybe Notre Dame gets left out and people will speculate the lack of a "13th data point" hurt them. The fact that USC won the Pac 12 helped their case.

Also if Alabama gets left out, the real reason they got left out was they lost to Miami, a non conference game. The committee's message. We're punishing you if you lose these games just like they punished Ohio State when they lost to Oklahoma in 2017. So why play them? Just play cupcakes in non conference play.
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Simulated 12-team playoff, top 4 champs seeded 1-4
24-21 // 9 Georgia @ 8 Michigan
6-26 // 12 Ohio @ 6 Texas
17-24 // 11 Wisconsin @ 6 Notre Dame
39-38 // 10 Clemson @ 7 Miami

17-21 // 9 Georgia vs. 1 Ohio State (ROSE)
23-29 // 5 Texas vs. 4 USC (FIESTA/COTTON)
27-24 // 6 Notre Dame vs. 3 Oklahoma (ORANGE/PEACH)
13-33 // 10 Clemson vs. 2 Alabama (SUGAR)

27-10 // 1 Ohio State vs. 4 USC (COTTON/FIESTA)
28-17 // 2 Alabama vs. 6 Notre Dame (PEACH/ORANGE)

14-29 // 1 Ohio State vs. 2 Alabama (INDY)

Only one game each round is won by 3 scores or more. Not a bad ratio considering recent complaints of blowout semifinals. The "mighty" Big 12 lost in both QFs it appeared in, including USC's upset-of-the-playoff, over Texas.

Simulated NY6:
31-34 // #1 Ohio State vs. #4 Miami (COTTON)
37-17 // #2 Texas vs. #3 Notre Dame (ORANGE)
21-42 // #5 Alabama vs. #6 Oklahoma (SUGAR)
29-28 // #7 Michigan vs. #9 USC (ROSE)
31-42 // #8 Georgia vs. #11 Wisconsin (FIESTA)
29-21 // #10 Clemson vs. #13 Ohio (PEACH)
21-14 // #2 Texas vs. #4 Miami (INDY)
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(06-30-2021 08:50 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Here are the final rankings:
#1 Ohio State (13-0)*
#2 Texas (12-1)
#3 Notre Dame (11-1)
#4 Miami (11-1)
#5 Alabama (12-1)*
#6 Oklahoma (11-2)*
#7 Michigan (10-2)
#8 Georgia (11-2)*
#9 USC (11-2)*
#10 Clemson (11-2)
#11 Wisconsin (10-2)
#12 Oregon (11-2)
#13 Ohio (12-1)*
#14 Iowa (10-3)
#15 UAB (12-1)
*Top 6 Champ

Been thinking of the other thread and comparing the 6+6 with the 6+1+WC.

Wild Card: #3 Notre Dame (11-1) vs. #4 Miami (11-1) (on Championship Saturday)
#1 Ohio State (13-0) vs. #8 Ohio (12-1) (FIESTA/COTTON)
#4 Alabama (12-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (11-2) (SUGAR)
#2 ND/UM winner vs. #7 Clemson (11-2) (PEACH/ORANGE)
#3 Texas (12-1) vs. #6 USC (11-2) (ROSE)

This leaves out the following teams who would make the play-in round of a 6+6:
#7 Michigan (10-2), #8 Georgia (11-2), #11 Wisconsin (10-2)

Cutting out a round is good for administrators, but less good for $$. ND-UM is probably as exciting as the best play-in game though.

One of the points in the other thread is that picking from among 2-loss at large teams can quickly become arbitrary. The committee has exactly 2 1-loss at-large teams and 6 contractual champs; easy. The only team who could complain is 12-1 UAB who was just edged by Ohio for that 6th Champion spot.
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(06-18-2021 12:20 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(06-18-2021 10:08 AM)Crayton Wrote:  Excised this one to bring it more attention:

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#36 Cincinnati (7-3, 5-1 AAC) (319-185)
#39 Memphis (8-2, 5-1 AAC) (316-220)
#42 Tulane (6-4, 5-1 AAC) (327-196)
#81 SMU (5-5, 3-3 AAC) (242-261)
#66 Tulsa (5-5, 3-3 AAC) (254-229)
#68 Navy (4-5, 3-3 AAC) (196-230)
Memphis and Tulane play to end the season with the winner clinching one of the two spots. The second spot will most likely go to Cincinnati (will play SMU and ECU). The Bearcats have already defeated Tulane (play USF this week) but will not played Memphis (play Houston this week).

What happens if all 3 finish 6-2 OR even if Tulane is 7-1 while Memphis and Cincy tie at 6-2?

Based on last year's tiebreakers for the CCG it would be h2h, then CFP, then computer rankings. So my guess would be Cin vs Mem if all 3 finish tied, and Tul vs Cin as I doubt Cin would fall below Mem in the computer rankings. Also the refs made bad calls in our losses. 03-wink 04-cheers

Coming back to this because I thought it was funny that I said the refs made bad calls in our losses, but we ended up beating MSU and the refs were still criticized for bad calls. 03-lol
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