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(06-12-2021 11:23 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
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(06-12-2021 08:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the P5s will do anything that hurts their monopoly is fooling themselves. The G5’s will be provided a remote chance of making the playoffs and when I say remote, I mean just enough of a chance to eliminate the any prospects of legal action under anti-trust laws.

The top P5s will schedule in such a way that any prospective playoff G5 will not be able to garner enough strength of schedule or will have to win road games at top P5 schools to make the field. A miracle will happen every 5 years that will allow the monopoly to exist as a G5 will defy the odds and make it only to be paired against the top seed and bounced from the party.
Does anyone think it was an accident that JMU softball was placed in a Super Regional against the 8 seed? The unseeded Dukes faced the #1 team three times in th WCWS. In 2019, they were sent to #1 UCLA. This stuff doesn’t happen by chance.

G5’s need to look to build their own brand. They need to look at what would attract fans to their stadiums. They need to form conferences that foster strong rivalries with fan bases that show up on Saturdays. Ditch the past. Look to the future. Schools that once had promise are has been. Who is thriving and growing now and will be into the next two decades? Don’t settle for the P5 handout. Blaze your own trail. That is what innovation in the entertainment business is all about.


You should actually read the proposal. The G5 is guaranteed one spot every single year with the shot of getting more than one spot.

That’s ok though. You guys can host Colgate in the kiddie pool.

What on earth are you talking about? What is the correlation between my post and Colgate? I was talking about G5’s needing to brand themselves and you make some stupid post about Colgate and the kiddie pool?


I actually stopped reading after this part as it proved you didn’t have a clue what you were talking about...


“The top P5s will schedule in such a way that any prospective playoff G5 will not be able to garner enough strength of schedule or will have to win road games at top P5 schools to make the field. A miracle will happen every 5 years that will allow the monopoly to exist as a G5 will defy the odds and make it only to be paired against the top seed and bounced from the party.“


So I’ll say it again.... you should actually read the proposal as a G5 team will be included in the playoff EVERY SINGLE YEAR. The reason Colgate came up was to make a point. I guess I could have used Wagner, Morehead, or some other FCS team no one cares about in place of Colgate. The point is, the G5 teams will be competing for a chance to play in the real playoff while you guys are playing Wagner/Colgate/Morehead in your playoffs.

This CFP drastically changes everything.
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(06-13-2021 01:03 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 11:23 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 09:54 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 08:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the P5s will do anything that hurts their monopoly is fooling themselves. The G5’s will be provided a remote chance of making the playoffs and when I say remote, I mean just enough of a chance to eliminate the any prospects of legal action under anti-trust laws.

The top P5s will schedule in such a way that any prospective playoff G5 will not be able to garner enough strength of schedule or will have to win road games at top P5 schools to make the field. A miracle will happen every 5 years that will allow the monopoly to exist as a G5 will defy the odds and make it only to be paired against the top seed and bounced from the party.
Does anyone think it was an accident that JMU softball was placed in a Super Regional against the 8 seed? The unseeded Dukes faced the #1 team three times in th WCWS. In 2019, they were sent to #1 UCLA. This stuff doesn’t happen by chance.

G5’s need to look to build their own brand. They need to look at what would attract fans to their stadiums. They need to form conferences that foster strong rivalries with fan bases that show up on Saturdays. Ditch the past. Look to the future. Schools that once had promise are has been. Who is thriving and growing now and will be into the next two decades? Don’t settle for the P5 handout. Blaze your own trail. That is what innovation in the entertainment business is all about.


You should actually read the proposal. The G5 is guaranteed one spot every single year with the shot of getting more than one spot.

That’s ok though. You guys can host Colgate in the kiddie pool.

What on earth are you talking about? What is the correlation between my post and Colgate? I was talking about G5’s needing to brand themselves and you make some stupid post about Colgate and the kiddie pool?


I actually stopped reading after this part as it proved you didn’t have a clue what you were talking about...


“The top P5s will schedule in such a way that any prospective playoff G5 will not be able to garner enough strength of schedule or will have to win road games at top P5 schools to make the field. A miracle will happen every 5 years that will allow the monopoly to exist as a G5 will defy the odds and make it only to be paired against the top seed and bounced from the party.“


So I’ll say it again.... you should actually read the proposal as a G5 team will be included in the playoff EVERY SINGLE YEAR. The reason Colgate came up was to make a point. I guess I could have used Wagner, Morehead, or some other FCS team no one cares about in place of Colgate. The point is, the G5 teams will be competing for a chance to play in the real playoff while you guys are playing Wagner/Colgate/Morehead in your playoffs.

This CFP drastically changes everything.

I have repeatedly stated that JMU needs to move up so there is no need for you to mention Morehead etc. We don’t have any fans on these boards who look forward to those games nor desire to stay FCS. That is why I called this comment from you stupid.

The point of my post is that I am skeptical of the P5s being fair toward G5’s. I have been a college sports fan for 50+ years. The day the P5s stop serving their own self interest will be the first day in my lifetime proposal or no proposal.

The fact that the G5 will be given some sort of place at the CFP table doesn’t change my point. G5’s need to look out for themselves and not expect any favors from the P5. They need to focus on the things I mentioned.

As it pertains to Marshall and JMU, we belong in a conference together with App and ODU. That core of four would be like the core of four ACC schools that use to be called Tobacco Road. All four of us have solid fan bases ready to grow into a meaningful college football presence and competitor to the P5 schools in our respective regions. JMU needs to use football to distance it’s self from the non football D1 schools in our region. For JMU, that would be VCU and GMU. For Marshall, they need to distance themselves from the MAC schools and become more competitive with WVU and Pittsburg.

Here is the original ACC from June 1953:
UNC, NS State, Wake, Duke, Maryland, South Carolina and Clemson. UVA was quickly added in December of 1953 against the wishes of its President and at the recommendation of its AD. South Carolina left in 1971 and Ga Tech replaced them in 1978.

I started following the ACC in the 70s. It was a great league with incredible rivalries. These rivalries are what allowed the league to become the P5 power it is today. Our schools need to take a page from their history and build a league based on the same rivalry premise. Get a strong core then strategically add to it over time. It worked well for the ACC and would do the same for our four schools.
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Holy tangent Nation
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I agree that Marshall, JMU, App, and ODU would be a solid 4 teams who are geographically close, and have solid fan bases. At least JMU and App fans would travel as well.
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(06-13-2021 10:19 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I agree that Marshall, JMU, App, and ODU would be a solid 4 teams who are geographically close, and have solid fan bases. At least JMU and App fans would travel as well.

I think ODU would as well if they were in a league with teams their fans felt a connection with. One of the many problems of CUSA for their fan base is no true rival. Mid Tenn and W. Kent. are regional but don’t have strong fanbases.

From a JMU perspective, I would choose App and Marshall over ODU as a conference partner though.
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(06-13-2021 01:03 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 11:23 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 09:54 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 08:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the P5s will do anything that hurts their monopoly is fooling themselves. The G5’s will be provided a remote chance of making the playoffs and when I say remote, I mean just enough of a chance to eliminate the any prospects of legal action under anti-trust laws.

The top P5s will schedule in such a way that any prospective playoff G5 will not be able to garner enough strength of schedule or will have to win road games at top P5 schools to make the field. A miracle will happen every 5 years that will allow the monopoly to exist as a G5 will defy the odds and make it only to be paired against the top seed and bounced from the party.
Does anyone think it was an accident that JMU softball was placed in a Super Regional against the 8 seed? The unseeded Dukes faced the #1 team three times in th WCWS. In 2019, they were sent to #1 UCLA. This stuff doesn’t happen by chance.

G5’s need to look to build their own brand. They need to look at what would attract fans to their stadiums. They need to form conferences that foster strong rivalries with fan bases that show up on Saturdays. Ditch the past. Look to the future. Schools that once had promise are has been. Who is thriving and growing now and will be into the next two decades? Don’t settle for the P5 handout. Blaze your own trail. That is what innovation in the entertainment business is all about.


You should actually read the proposal. The G5 is guaranteed one spot every single year with the shot of getting more than one spot.

That’s ok though. You guys can host Colgate in the kiddie pool.

What on earth are you talking about? What is the correlation between my post and Colgate? I was talking about G5’s needing to brand themselves and you make some stupid post about Colgate and the kiddie pool?


I actually stopped reading after this part as it proved you didn’t have a clue what you were talking about...


“The top P5s will schedule in such a way that any prospective playoff G5 will not be able to garner enough strength of schedule or will have to win road games at top P5 schools to make the field. A miracle will happen every 5 years that will allow the monopoly to exist as a G5 will defy the odds and make it only to be paired against the top seed and bounced from the party.“


So I’ll say it again.... you should actually read the proposal as a G5 team will be included in the playoff EVERY SINGLE YEAR. The reason Colgate came up was to make a point. I guess I could have used Wagner, Morehead, or some other FCS team no one cares about in place of Colgate. The point is, the G5 teams will be competing for a chance to play in the real playoff while you guys are playing Wagner/Colgate/Morehead in your playoffs.

This CFP drastically changes everything.

Hey, I'll have you know we play in the same playoffs that include juggernauts like Incarnate Friggin Word!

So, there!
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And Marshall plays in the same league as FIU and UTEP. Every league, every division has crappy teams. And sometimes those crappy teams make a bowl game in scenic Shreveport!

That said, we should be FBS.
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(06-14-2021 07:57 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  And Marshall plays in the same league as FIU and UTEP. Every league, every division has crappy teams. And sometimes those crappy teams make a bowl game in scenic Shreveport!

That said, we should be FBS.

Yeah, but we haven’t played UTEP since 2010. Seriously.
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(06-14-2021 08:45 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-14-2021 07:57 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  And Marshall plays in the same league as FIU and UTEP. Every league, every division has crappy teams. And sometimes those crappy teams make a bowl game in scenic Shreveport!

That said, we should be FBS.

Yeah, but we haven’t played UTEP since 2010. Seriously.

Well I'm not sure we've ever played Incarnate Word.
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But we have played Bloomsburg State. 02-13-banana
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(06-14-2021 07:57 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  And Marshall plays in the same league as FIU and UTEP. Every league, every division has crappy teams. And sometimes those crappy teams make a bowl game in scenic Shreveport!

That said, we should be FBS.

Not that I disagree with your premise, but if you're referencing the Independence Bowl you should note that it's been a game with fairy strong competition historically:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Bowl

Granted, Shreveport may not be the nicest place but it's at least usually warmer than Virginia in late December
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Yeah, I grant you that Detroit is a sucky Bowl destination. At least it was in a dome. Lol. But we’ve played some pretty big name teams in bowls…and some not so big in some pretty cool places.

1997 - Ole Miss (Detroit)
1998 - Louisville (Detroit)
1999 - #25 BYU (Detroit)
2000 - Cincy (Detroit)
2001 - East Carolina (Mobile)
2002 - Louisville (Mobile)
2004 - Cincy (Ft. Worth)
2009 - Ohio (Detroit)
2011- FIU (Tampa)
2013 - Maryland (Annapolis)
2014 - NIU (Boca Raton)
2015 - UCONN (St. Petersburg)
2017 - Colorado State (Albuquerque)
2018 - USF (Tampa)
2019 - UCF (Tampa)
2020 - Buffalo (Montgomery, AL)

And we are 12-4, losing to Ole Miss (34-31), Cincy in 2004 (32-14), UCF (48-25), and Buffalo (17-10). Bowls are only meaningless if you don’t go to or haven’t been to one.
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Weird joke
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(06-14-2021 06:43 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(06-14-2021 05:29 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(06-14-2021 07:57 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  And Marshall plays in the same league as FIU and UTEP. Every league, every division has crappy teams. And sometimes those crappy teams make a bowl game in scenic Shreveport!

That said, we should be FBS.

Not that I disagree with your premise, but if you're referencing the Independence Bowl you should note that it's been a game with fairy strong competition historically:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Bowl

Granted, Shreveport may not be the nicest place but it's at least usually warmer than Virginia in late December

"Fairy strong competition?"

We must be politically correct and tolerant of all sexual orientations on this board. 05-nono

And I'm not so sure about Shreveport being "usually warmer than Virginia." It is at about the same latitude as Frisco where two of our last three trips were freezing-ass cold!
Harrisonburg Daily avg low/high:
Dec: 27/47
Jan: 24/44
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/...rg/climate

Shreveport daily avg low/high:
Dec: 38/59
Jan: 37/58
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/...rt/climate

For the Dec-Jan timeframe as far as the playoffs/bowls, and for the entire year for that matter, Shreveport averages about 10-15 degrees warmer than Harrisonburg, and is usually warmer on average than anywhere in VA.
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(06-14-2021 08:37 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(06-14-2021 06:43 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(06-14-2021 05:29 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
(06-14-2021 07:57 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  And Marshall plays in the same league as FIU and UTEP. Every league, every division has crappy teams. And sometimes those crappy teams make a bowl game in scenic Shreveport!

That said, we should be FBS.

Not that I disagree with your premise, but if you're referencing the Independence Bowl you should note that it's been a game with fairy strong competition historically:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Bowl

Granted, Shreveport may not be the nicest place but it's at least usually warmer than Virginia in late December

"Fairy strong competition?"

We must be politically correct and tolerant of all sexual orientations on this board. 05-nono

And I'm not so sure about Shreveport being "usually warmer than Virginia." It is at about the same latitude as Frisco where two of our last three trips were freezing-ass cold!
Harrisonburg Daily avg low/high:
Dec: 27/47
Jan: 24/44
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/...rg/climate

Shreveport daily avg low/high:
Dec: 38/59
Jan: 37/58
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/...rt/climate

For the Dec-Jan timeframe as far as the playoffs/bowls, and for the entire year for that matter, Shreveport averages about 10-15 degrees warmer than Harrisonburg, and is usually warmer on average than anywhere in VA.

Right, and as God is my witness, we were tailgating in the parking lot in Frisco at 7 in the morning at 11 degrees a few years ago. Then we had a year of decent weather, and the last trip to Frisco was freezing rain and miserable, temps probably in the 20s. That was pre-game. I think it may have warmed up to the mid-30s by halftime.
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(06-14-2021 06:27 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Bowls are only meaningless if you don’t go to or haven’t been to one.

Imo it's more that they're meaningless if you're a team that wants and expects to win national championships. When Florida is in a bowl I care absolutely zero and almost never even watch it. If and when JMU moves up I'll care about them, how much I care will vary depending on the opponent and everything. I'd love to get to the point that I don't care because a season where we aren't the G5 in the playoff is a disappointment but one step at a time.
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Care Report is the only step we have taken to FBS - that was 11 years ago... winning is not a step - its the goal no matter what level we are at. We really need to be more vocal about our goals - App did it like a champ
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