(06-18-2021 01:45 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 09:44 AM)7 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 06:37 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:01 PM)7 Wrote:  are you the same people that wanted carey fired too lol

Speaking of wanting Carey fired---I wonder what the feeling in Philly is going to be after this season....

Temple's over/under wins this season is: 2.5 (TWO AND ONE HALF)

Hiring a guy because he won’t leave you is never a good plan lol

I think we need to get Rivers to do a matchup bet.

NIU v. Temple, total wins. NIU -1, -130. Temple +110

Also,1st fired:

Carey: -195
Hammock:+160

Randy---as long as STF is here Hammock isn't getting fired for at least two or three extensions. Rod would be a much higher favorite based on that---probably -2000 to +1250 if there were such a thing.

Where I don't think Rod would necessarily get fired, I would find it hard to see him take a 10 win team and have it regress to a two/three win team in three seasons and see him get a second deal.

He made a very sound move, personally, going to Temple and hopefully things work out professionally, but there are some very good teams in that conference that they have lost considerable ground to in the past couple of years.

(06-21-2021 09:55 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(06-18-2021 01:45 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 09:44 AM)7 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 06:37 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:01 PM)7 Wrote:  are you the same people that wanted carey fired too lol

Speaking of wanting Carey fired---I wonder what the feeling in Philly is going to be after this season....

Temple's over/under wins this season is: 2.5 (TWO AND ONE HALF)

Hiring a guy because he won’t leave you is never a good plan lol

I think we need to get Rivers to do a matchup bet.

NIU v. Temple, total wins. NIU -1, -130. Temple +110

Also,1st fired:

Carey: -195
Hammock:+160

Randy---as long as STF is here Hammock isn't getting fired for at least two or three extensions. Rod would be a much higher favorite based on that---probably -2000 to +1250 if there were such a thing.

Where I don't think Rod would necessarily get fired, I would find it hard to see him take a 10 win team and have it regress to a two/three win team in three seasons and see him get a second deal.

He made a very sound move, personally, going to Temple and hopefully things work out professionally, but there are some very good teams in that conference that they have lost considerable ground to in the past couple of years.

You win less than 4 games continuously, you won't survive anywhere.

Unless your name is Novak.

Never say never.

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)TXHuskieJA26 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:56 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:51 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  It's not like he inherited a disaster like Joe Novak did. I'm hoping Hammock turns it around, but he better make some big advances this year.

It was supposed to be a reload, not a rebuild.

Personally, I don't believe that the roster as it was could have won a minimum of 6 games going forward. It did seem excessive and disheartening to see so many guys leaving the program. However, as more and more time has gone on, where are they now? The top two talents (Heflin & Brinkman) didn't light the world on fire at their new destinations, though Heflin was very solid, as he always has been. Everyone else is either back with Carey or are out of FBS all together. To me that is evidence that the roster was a lot more devoid of talent than many realized. Bringing in a bunch of transfers to prop the program in the short term would have been really nice, but in reality what significant transfers is a new coach at a MAC school going to get? It's not like MAC schools have the ability to go out and sign big name coaches that players around the country are immediately clamoring to play for.
All of that is just my opinion, but for me at this point there isn't any question about if the last two years could have/should have been handled differently. The only question for me is what is the continuing product going to be moving forward. I believe Hammock and staff have recruited very well and there is a lot of potential. The upcoming season is where that potential needs to start to turn into a much more consistent and competitive team on game days.

Agree with TX. NIU's program wasn't quite the disaster that Novak inherited, but make no mistake, the Huskies were going nowhere under Carey. It's all a matter of opinion that if he stayed, the record would have been better -- at best, maybe maybe not. Bottom line, the program Hammock took over was much closer to a rebuild than a reload. If you still love Carey so much, send your money to Temple.

(06-21-2021 10:07 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)TXHuskieJA26 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:56 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:51 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  It's not like he inherited a disaster like Joe Novak did. I'm hoping Hammock turns it around, but he better make some big advances this year.

It was supposed to be a reload, not a rebuild.

Personally, I don't believe that the roster as it was could have won a minimum of 6 games going forward. It did seem excessive and disheartening to see so many guys leaving the program. However, as more and more time has gone on, where are they now? The top two talents (Heflin & Brinkman) didn't light the world on fire at their new destinations, though Heflin was very solid, as he always has been. Everyone else is either back with Carey or are out of FBS all together. To me that is evidence that the roster was a lot more devoid of talent than many realized. Bringing in a bunch of transfers to prop the program in the short term would have been really nice, but in reality what significant transfers is a new coach at a MAC school going to get? It's not like MAC schools have the ability to go out and sign big name coaches that players around the country are immediately clamoring to play for.
All of that is just my opinion, but for me at this point there isn't any question about if the last two years could have/should have been handled differently. The only question for me is what is the continuing product going to be moving forward. I believe Hammock and staff have recruited very well and there is a lot of potential. The upcoming season is where that potential needs to start to turn into a much more consistent and competitive team on game days.

Agree with TX. NIU's program wasn't quite the disaster that Novak inherited, but make no mistake, the Huskies were going nowhere under Carey. It's all a matter of opinion that if he stayed, the record would have been better -- at best, maybe maybe not. Bottom line, the program Hammock took over was much closer to a rebuild than a reload. If you still love Carey so much, send your money to Temple.

Carey would have had this team in perpetual 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 for how ever long he could have lasted. He was the definition of average. He did learn the secret to winning conference games, but that was not worth the cost of his average recruiting. I will say this about his recruiting, while overall it was not good enough he did manage more than his share of all-time greats: Lurry, Smith, Golladay, Scharping, Heflin. As well as just some fun guys to watch: Huff, AJD, Beebe, J.Johnson, Tears

(06-22-2021 07:37 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 10:07 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)TXHuskieJA26 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:56 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:51 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  It's not like he inherited a disaster like Joe Novak did. I'm hoping Hammock turns it around, but he better make some big advances this year.

It was supposed to be a reload, not a rebuild.

Personally, I don't believe that the roster as it was could have won a minimum of 6 games going forward. It did seem excessive and disheartening to see so many guys leaving the program. However, as more and more time has gone on, where are they now? The top two talents (Heflin & Brinkman) didn't light the world on fire at their new destinations, though Heflin was very solid, as he always has been. Everyone else is either back with Carey or are out of FBS all together. To me that is evidence that the roster was a lot more devoid of talent than many realized. Bringing in a bunch of transfers to prop the program in the short term would have been really nice, but in reality what significant transfers is a new coach at a MAC school going to get? It's not like MAC schools have the ability to go out and sign big name coaches that players around the country are immediately clamoring to play for.
All of that is just my opinion, but for me at this point there isn't any question about if the last two years could have/should have been handled differently. The only question for me is what is the continuing product going to be moving forward. I believe Hammock and staff have recruited very well and there is a lot of potential. The upcoming season is where that potential needs to start to turn into a much more consistent and competitive team on game days.

Agree with TX. NIU's program wasn't quite the disaster that Novak inherited, but make no mistake, the Huskies were going nowhere under Carey. It's all a matter of opinion that if he stayed, the record would have been better -- at best, maybe maybe not. Bottom line, the program Hammock took over was much closer to a rebuild than a reload. If you still love Carey so much, send your money to Temple.

Carey would have had this team in perpetual 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 for how ever long he could have lasted. He was the definition of average. He did learn the secret to winning conference games, but that was not worth the cost of his average recruiting. I will say this about his recruiting, while overall it was not good enough he did manage more than his share of all-time greats: Lurry, Smith, Golladay, Scharping, Heflin. As well as just some fun guys to watch: Huff, AJD, Beebe, J.Johnson, Tears

That’s a great list of players...would have expected more coming off an orange bowl.

(06-21-2021 10:07 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)TXHuskieJA26 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:56 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:51 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  It's not like he inherited a disaster like Joe Novak did. I'm hoping Hammock turns it around, but he better make some big advances this year.

It was supposed to be a reload, not a rebuild.

Personally, I don't believe that the roster as it was could have won a minimum of 6 games going forward. It did seem excessive and disheartening to see so many guys leaving the program. However, as more and more time has gone on, where are they now? The top two talents (Heflin & Brinkman) didn't light the world on fire at their new destinations, though Heflin was very solid, as he always has been. Everyone else is either back with Carey or are out of FBS all together. To me that is evidence that the roster was a lot more devoid of talent than many realized. Bringing in a bunch of transfers to prop the program in the short term would have been really nice, but in reality what significant transfers is a new coach at a MAC school going to get? It's not like MAC schools have the ability to go out and sign big name coaches that players around the country are immediately clamoring to play for.
All of that is just my opinion, but for me at this point there isn't any question about if the last two years could have/should have been handled differently. The only question for me is what is the continuing product going to be moving forward. I believe Hammock and staff have recruited very well and there is a lot of potential. The upcoming season is where that potential needs to start to turn into a much more consistent and competitive team on game days.

Agree with TX. NIU's program wasn't quite the disaster that Novak inherited, but make no mistake, the Huskies were going nowhere under Carey. It's all a matter of opinion that if he stayed, the record would have been better -- at best, maybe maybe not. Bottom line, the program Hammock took over was much closer to a rebuild than a reload. If you still love Carey so much, send your money to Temple.

This is stupid lol. They won the MAC his last year and won at BYU.

And I think Hammock will be more than fine.

(06-22-2021 08:21 AM)7 Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 10:07 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)TXHuskieJA26 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:56 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:51 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  It's not like he inherited a disaster like Joe Novak did. I'm hoping Hammock turns it around, but he better make some big advances this year.

It was supposed to be a reload, not a rebuild.

Personally, I don't believe that the roster as it was could have won a minimum of 6 games going forward. It did seem excessive and disheartening to see so many guys leaving the program. However, as more and more time has gone on, where are they now? The top two talents (Heflin & Brinkman) didn't light the world on fire at their new destinations, though Heflin was very solid, as he always has been. Everyone else is either back with Carey or are out of FBS all together. To me that is evidence that the roster was a lot more devoid of talent than many realized. Bringing in a bunch of transfers to prop the program in the short term would have been really nice, but in reality what significant transfers is a new coach at a MAC school going to get? It's not like MAC schools have the ability to go out and sign big name coaches that players around the country are immediately clamoring to play for.
All of that is just my opinion, but for me at this point there isn't any question about if the last two years could have/should have been handled differently. The only question for me is what is the continuing product going to be moving forward. I believe Hammock and staff have recruited very well and there is a lot of potential. The upcoming season is where that potential needs to start to turn into a much more consistent and competitive team on game days.

Agree with TX. NIU's program wasn't quite the disaster that Novak inherited, but make no mistake, the Huskies were going nowhere under Carey. It's all a matter of opinion that if he stayed, the record would have been better -- at best, maybe maybe not. Bottom line, the program Hammock took over was much closer to a rebuild than a reload. If you still love Carey so much, send your money to Temple.

This is stupid lol. They won the MAC his last year and won at BYU.

And I think Hammock will be more than fine.

Hammock seems to have installed a genuine family culture into the program, and he is certainly the most NIU-loyal of the last 3 coaches. Hope he brings the wins as well, excited for this season, feeling 5 wins, maybe 6-7?

(06-22-2021 10:34 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(06-22-2021 08:21 AM)7 Wrote:  

(06-21-2021 10:07 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)TXHuskieJA26 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 06:56 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  It was supposed to be a reload, not a rebuild.

Personally, I don't believe that the roster as it was could have won a minimum of 6 games going forward. It did seem excessive and disheartening to see so many guys leaving the program. However, as more and more time has gone on, where are they now? The top two talents (Heflin & Brinkman) didn't light the world on fire at their new destinations, though Heflin was very solid, as he always has been. Everyone else is either back with Carey or are out of FBS all together. To me that is evidence that the roster was a lot more devoid of talent than many realized. Bringing in a bunch of transfers to prop the program in the short term would have been really nice, but in reality what significant transfers is a new coach at a MAC school going to get? It's not like MAC schools have the ability to go out and sign big name coaches that players around the country are immediately clamoring to play for.
All of that is just my opinion, but for me at this point there isn't any question about if the last two years could have/should have been handled differently. The only question for me is what is the continuing product going to be moving forward. I believe Hammock and staff have recruited very well and there is a lot of potential. The upcoming season is where that potential needs to start to turn into a much more consistent and competitive team on game days.

Agree with TX. NIU's program wasn't quite the disaster that Novak inherited, but make no mistake, the Huskies were going nowhere under Carey. It's all a matter of opinion that if he stayed, the record would have been better -- at best, maybe maybe not. Bottom line, the program Hammock took over was much closer to a rebuild than a reload. If you still love Carey so much, send your money to Temple.

This is stupid lol. They won the MAC his last year and won at BYU.

And I think Hammock will be more than fine.

Hammock seems to have installed a genuine family culture into the program, and he is certainly the most NIU-loyal of the last 3 coaches. Hope he brings the wins as well, excited for this season, feeling 5 wins, maybe 6-7?

I think this team goes to a bowl easy. If they fail to do so the staff needs to be looked at. I like Hammock, but there are coachinbmistakes that need to be addressed.

NIU is +27.5 (-110) vs. Michigan on DraftKings right now.

Wish I was in a state that allowed you to gamble on sports.