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Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.
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(05-28-2021 07:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.

bob i think you need to have a first thought before you can have a final thought.
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(05-28-2021 07:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.

Yep. Too much oxygen and as I said many, many posts ago, this thread would go off the rails (since I bet myself dinner, I'll have my dinner tonight).

My summary post: Anything which treats players more like how we treat pro players works against the MAC and especially EMU.

I was told a few years ago that the EMU athletic budget (HARD CASH DOLLARS) was around 16 or 17M. That doesn't count scholarships, etc. which may be an accounting line item but not a direct dollar expense to the university.

EMU is working hard to remain competitive by building 1st class facilities.

My guess is that IF the NCAA ever started allowing athletes to get paid by the universities, that faculty, staff, etc. would literally try to shut down CFB (and maybe MBB and WBB) at a majority of schools.

They would say 'enough is enough' let the UofMs, OSUs, Alabamas, Clemsons, etc. have their NFL-lite type programs.

The chasm between the academic and athletic sides of many or most universities is already pretty wide.
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(05-28-2021 09:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.

Yep. Too much oxygen and as I said many, many posts ago, this thread would go off the rails (since I bet myself dinner, I'll have my dinner tonight).

My summary post: Anything which treats players more like how we treat pro players works against the MAC and especially EMU.

I was told a few years ago that the EMU athletic budget (HARD CASH DOLLARS) was around 16 or 17M. That doesn't count scholarships, etc. which may be an accounting line item but not a direct dollar expense to the university.

EMU is working hard to remain competitive by building 1st class facilities.

My guess is that IF the NCAA ever started allowing athletes to get paid by the universities, that faculty, staff, etc. would literally try to shut down CFB (and maybe MBB and WBB) at a majority of schools.

They would say 'enough is enough' let the UofMs, OSUs, Alabamas, Clemsons, etc. have their NFL-lite type programs.

The chasm between the academic and athletic sides of many or most universities is already pretty wide.
Well said.
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(05-28-2021 09:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.

Yep. Too much oxygen and as I said many, many posts ago, this thread would go off the rails (since I bet myself dinner, I'll have my dinner tonight).

My summary post: Anything which treats players more like how we treat pro players works against the MAC and especially EMU.

I was told a few years ago that the EMU athletic budget (HARD CASH DOLLARS) was around 16 or 17M. That doesn't count scholarships, etc. which may be an accounting line item but not a direct dollar expense to the university.

EMU is working hard to remain competitive by building 1st class facilities.

My guess is that IF the NCAA ever started allowing athletes to get paid by the universities, that faculty, staff, etc. would literally try to shut down CFB (and maybe MBB and WBB) at a majority of schools.

They would say 'enough is enough' let the UofMs, OSUs, Alabamas, Clemsons, etc. have their NFL-lite type programs.

The chasm between the academic and athletic sides of many or most universities is already pretty wide.

Agreed! Dan points out the issue of high coaching salaries and his dismay with such pales with respect to the envy that the academic faculty has. I would suspect that Howard Bunsis has a picture of Chris Creighton on his dartboard at home and seethed at the spectacle of the Stan Heath hiring. Of course, neither Stan or Chris have Howie's most valuable benefit, TENURE, they sign lucrative contracts with respect to an accounting prof's salary but their W-L performance will determine their longevity and career path. Bunsis makes well in excess of six figures and none of us are critiquing his performance, he has minimal accountability metrics in comparison to ANY coach in the athletics department and he will spend his career working in Ypsilanti, not having to uproot his family often like our coaches do. Nevertheless as Steve referenced, their is a huge chasm between athletics and academics.

I love Dan's passion for compensating athletes, but I do think we all realize that paying a MAC athlete is indeed ludicrous. These schools depend on taxpayer financing to ostensively prepare enrollees for a career, but any contention that an EMU student/athlete has a likely chance at professional athletics career is whimsical and capricious at best. The prospect of a MAC player getting a state supported paycheck is laughable.

Like Steve referenced, paying college athletes will probably produce a NCAA "super league" where those thirty NCAA programs that actually make money will be able to do so. That said, while EMU allegedly competes with those programs now, in reality they do not.

Dan, based on history, is probably right about the resilience of NCAA athletics even though I am now in the "chicken little" group that thinks the sky is indeed falling. When the conference consolidation occurred years ago I was SURE that the NCAA was doomed and instead it thrived. Perhaps a "super conference" that comps its athletes while leaving the rest of the schools to do their thing will be good! Who knows?
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(05-28-2021 06:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 09:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.

Yep. Too much oxygen and as I said many, many posts ago, this thread would go off the rails (since I bet myself dinner, I'll have my dinner tonight).

My summary post: Anything which treats players more like how we treat pro players works against the MAC and especially EMU.

I was told a few years ago that the EMU athletic budget (HARD CASH DOLLARS) was around 16 or 17M. That doesn't count scholarships, etc. which may be an accounting line item but not a direct dollar expense to the university.

EMU is working hard to remain competitive by building 1st class facilities.

My guess is that IF the NCAA ever started allowing athletes to get paid by the universities, that faculty, staff, etc. would literally try to shut down CFB (and maybe MBB and WBB) at a majority of schools.

They would say 'enough is enough' let the UofMs, OSUs, Alabamas, Clemsons, etc. have their NFL-lite type programs.

The chasm between the academic and athletic sides of many or most universities is already pretty wide.

Agreed! Dan points out the issue of high coaching salaries and his dismay with such pales with respect to the envy that the academic faculty has. I would suspect that Howard Bunsis has a picture of Chris Creighton on his dartboard at home and seethed at the spectacle of the Stan Heath hiring. Of course, neither Stan or Chris have Howie's most valuable benefit, TENURE, they sign lucrative contracts with respect to an accounting prof's salary but their W-L performance will determine their longevity and career path. Bunsis makes well in excess of six figures and none of us are critiquing his performance, he has minimal accountability metrics in comparison to ANY coach in the athletics department and he will spend his career working in Ypsilanti, not having to uproot his family often like our coaches do. Nevertheless as Steve referenced, their is a huge chasm between athletics and academics.

I love Dan's passion for compensating athletes, but I do think we all realize that paying a MAC athlete is indeed ludicrous. These schools depend on taxpayer financing to ostensively prepare enrollees for a career, but any contention that an EMU student/athlete has a likely chance at professional athletics career is whimsical and capricious at best. The prospect of a MAC player getting a state supported paycheck is laughable.

Like Steve referenced, paying college athletes will probably produce a NCAA "super league" where those thirty NCAA programs that actually make money will be able to do so. That said, while EMU allegedly competes with those programs now, in reality they do not.

Dan, based on history, is probably right about the resilience of NCAA athletics even though I am now in the "chicken little" group that thinks the sky is indeed falling. When the conference consolidation occurred years ago I was SURE that the NCAA was doomed and instead it thrived. Perhaps a "super conference" that comps its athletes while leaving the rest of the schools to do their thing will be good! Who knows?

It's a matter of time before the Power 5 and the Group of 5 split - at least in regards to football. But you're right - EMY doesnt compete with Alabama and Ohio State and when folks on this board act like we do its like im taking crazy pills.
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(05-31-2021 08:11 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 09:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.

Yep. Too much oxygen and as I said many, many posts ago, this thread would go off the rails (since I bet myself dinner, I'll have my dinner tonight).

My summary post: Anything which treats players more like how we treat pro players works against the MAC and especially EMU.

I was told a few years ago that the EMU athletic budget (HARD CASH DOLLARS) was around 16 or 17M. That doesn't count scholarships, etc. which may be an accounting line item but not a direct dollar expense to the university.

EMU is working hard to remain competitive by building 1st class facilities.

My guess is that IF the NCAA ever started allowing athletes to get paid by the universities, that faculty, staff, etc. would literally try to shut down CFB (and maybe MBB and WBB) at a majority of schools.

They would say 'enough is enough' let the UofMs, OSUs, Alabamas, Clemsons, etc. have their NFL-lite type programs.

The chasm between the academic and athletic sides of many or most universities is already pretty wide.

Agreed! Dan points out the issue of high coaching salaries and his dismay with such pales with respect to the envy that the academic faculty has. I would suspect that Howard Bunsis has a picture of Chris Creighton on his dartboard at home and seethed at the spectacle of the Stan Heath hiring. Of course, neither Stan or Chris have Howie's most valuable benefit, TENURE, they sign lucrative contracts with respect to an accounting prof's salary but their W-L performance will determine their longevity and career path. Bunsis makes well in excess of six figures and none of us are critiquing his performance, he has minimal accountability metrics in comparison to ANY coach in the athletics department and he will spend his career working in Ypsilanti, not having to uproot his family often like our coaches do. Nevertheless as Steve referenced, their is a huge chasm between athletics and academics.

I love Dan's passion for compensating athletes, but I do think we all realize that paying a MAC athlete is indeed ludicrous. These schools depend on taxpayer financing to ostensively prepare enrollees for a career, but any contention that an EMU student/athlete has a likely chance at professional athletics career is whimsical and capricious at best. The prospect of a MAC player getting a state supported paycheck is laughable.

Like Steve referenced, paying college athletes will probably produce a NCAA "super league" where those thirty NCAA programs that actually make money will be able to do so. That said, while EMU allegedly competes with those programs now, in reality they do not.

Dan, based on history, is probably right about the resilience of NCAA athletics even though I am now in the "chicken little" group that thinks the sky is indeed falling. When the conference consolidation occurred years ago I was SURE that the NCAA was doomed and instead it thrived. Perhaps a "super conference" that comps its athletes while leaving the rest of the schools to do their thing will be good! Who knows?

It's a matter of time before the Power 5 and the Group of 5 split - at least in regards to football. But you're right - EMY doesnt compete with Alabama and Ohio State and when folks on this board act like we do its like im taking crazy pills.

Teams in the SEC and Big 10 don't compete with Alabama and OSU.Can MAC teams compete with all but the Top P5 teams -yes!
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(06-02-2021 03:11 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(05-31-2021 08:11 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:17 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 09:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Final thought: College football is a nice weekly escape but it is not the real world. We can live without Mid Major college football but we cannot live without an affordable college education. That's all I have to say. Thankfully, none of this hair brained "Let's give football players FREE education PLUS an hourly wage" will never, ever, ever happen--at least at the MAC level. Never mind that a large % of college football players wouldn't even get admitted into their respective schools if not for the fact that they play a sport!!! Everyone just move on. We are giving way too much oxygen to a guy who wants to treat a bunch of kids like entitled kings.

Yep. Too much oxygen and as I said many, many posts ago, this thread would go off the rails (since I bet myself dinner, I'll have my dinner tonight).

My summary post: Anything which treats players more like how we treat pro players works against the MAC and especially EMU.

I was told a few years ago that the EMU athletic budget (HARD CASH DOLLARS) was around 16 or 17M. That doesn't count scholarships, etc. which may be an accounting line item but not a direct dollar expense to the university.

EMU is working hard to remain competitive by building 1st class facilities.

My guess is that IF the NCAA ever started allowing athletes to get paid by the universities, that faculty, staff, etc. would literally try to shut down CFB (and maybe MBB and WBB) at a majority of schools.

They would say 'enough is enough' let the UofMs, OSUs, Alabamas, Clemsons, etc. have their NFL-lite type programs.

The chasm between the academic and athletic sides of many or most universities is already pretty wide.

Agreed! Dan points out the issue of high coaching salaries and his dismay with such pales with respect to the envy that the academic faculty has. I would suspect that Howard Bunsis has a picture of Chris Creighton on his dartboard at home and seethed at the spectacle of the Stan Heath hiring. Of course, neither Stan or Chris have Howie's most valuable benefit, TENURE, they sign lucrative contracts with respect to an accounting prof's salary but their W-L performance will determine their longevity and career path. Bunsis makes well in excess of six figures and none of us are critiquing his performance, he has minimal accountability metrics in comparison to ANY coach in the athletics department and he will spend his career working in Ypsilanti, not having to uproot his family often like our coaches do. Nevertheless as Steve referenced, their is a huge chasm between athletics and academics.

I love Dan's passion for compensating athletes, but I do think we all realize that paying a MAC athlete is indeed ludicrous. These schools depend on taxpayer financing to ostensively prepare enrollees for a career, but any contention that an EMU student/athlete has a likely chance at professional athletics career is whimsical and capricious at best. The prospect of a MAC player getting a state supported paycheck is laughable.

Like Steve referenced, paying college athletes will probably produce a NCAA "super league" where those thirty NCAA programs that actually make money will be able to do so. That said, while EMU allegedly competes with those programs now, in reality they do not.

Dan, based on history, is probably right about the resilience of NCAA athletics even though I am now in the "chicken little" group that thinks the sky is indeed falling. When the conference consolidation occurred years ago I was SURE that the NCAA was doomed and instead it thrived. Perhaps a "super conference" that comps its athletes while leaving the rest of the schools to do their thing will be good! Who knows?

It's a matter of time before the Power 5 and the Group of 5 split - at least in regards to football. But you're right - EMY doesnt compete with Alabama and Ohio State and when folks on this board act like we do its like im taking crazy pills.

Teams in the SEC and Big 10 don't compete with Alabama and OSU.Can MAC teams compete with all but the Top P5 teams -yes!
Absolutely agree with BR. One thing about EMU football, they will scrap and compete with anyone.
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(06-03-2021 07:15 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Absolutely agree with BR. One thing about EMU football, they will scrap and compete with anyone.

Hence the reason some of us are holding our breath in anticipation of the Wisconsin game. And the fact that the Eagles have had some recent success against B1G opponents (albeit teams not on the same tier as Wisconsin).
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(06-03-2021 07:15 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Absolutely agree with BR. One thing about EMU football, they will scrap and compete with anyone.

Hence the reason some of us are holding our breath in anticipation of the Wisconsin game. And the fact that the Eagles have had some recent success against B1G opponents (albeit teams not on the same tier as Wisconsin).
Hell, they went down to Baton Rouge and gave LSU a game for awhile. The kids in this program play with a chip against p5 teams. It is really impressive.
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(05-28-2021 07:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:34 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:32 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:26 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:17 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Please stop with this pseudo hippie nonsense. Universities are already losing their asses, mid majors would just shut down their programs. You'd have club flag football. Give players the choice of free education or cash wages. Debate over. It never was a debate, Bernie Sanders. Buh-bye.

"we should pay people for working" = "psuedo Hippie nonsense"

You never cease to amaze me.

You can pay 75 guys 40k a year for 3 million dollars. in 2020 every big ten team got a pay out of 55 million dollars from the Big Ten Network alone. The Big 12 paid out 40 million. ACC paid 30 Million. Pac 12 paid 32 Million. I'm sure in the whole NCAA you can find the cash to kick 3 mill to every school (granted im assuming the big schools would subsidize the smaller ones - something they already do in a lot of ways).

Despite your last sentence (big schools subsidize small schools in token ways, and NOT voluntarily, either), a true pro model would drive the MAC to say D-II status.

We're hemorrhaging red ink, as a university and athletic dept. and you want to bust our athletic budget???? 04-chairshot

i actually edited in another line after i posted:

EMU - a school that isnt in the best financial shape in the world - had an operating budget of 288 million for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. a 3 million bump would be less than 1 percent of the total budget. And honestly if I was the governor of Michigan and i wanted an easy win - id have the state budget give all 5 Div 1 schools the money to pay the players right out of the state budget. make recruiting even easier.

Man, you come on campus near academic buildings and they would throw spit balls (okay, pop corn ala Russell Westbrook) at you.

EMU has been cutting and cutting and cutting for years and you want to spend more for athletics????

Reducing staff, hiring more adjunct, etc.

I think the ONE point you and I agree: IF I were the MI gov. I would use some Covid money and find a way to add 1M per FT student at MI public universities.

Schools would get ONE TIME 15, 20, 25, or even 50M depending on enrollment.

Need to put universities back on better financial footing.

Not one penny more should be spent on football. If it dies, it dies. In its existence, it has contributed virtually nothing to the university.
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(06-04-2021 02:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:34 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:32 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:26 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  "we should pay people for working" = "psuedo Hippie nonsense"

You never cease to amaze me.

You can pay 75 guys 40k a year for 3 million dollars. in 2020 every big ten team got a pay out of 55 million dollars from the Big Ten Network alone. The Big 12 paid out 40 million. ACC paid 30 Million. Pac 12 paid 32 Million. I'm sure in the whole NCAA you can find the cash to kick 3 mill to every school (granted im assuming the big schools would subsidize the smaller ones - something they already do in a lot of ways).

Despite your last sentence (big schools subsidize small schools in token ways, and NOT voluntarily, either), a true pro model would drive the MAC to say D-II status.

We're hemorrhaging red ink, as a university and athletic dept. and you want to bust our athletic budget???? 04-chairshot

i actually edited in another line after i posted:

EMU - a school that isnt in the best financial shape in the world - had an operating budget of 288 million for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. a 3 million bump would be less than 1 percent of the total budget. And honestly if I was the governor of Michigan and i wanted an easy win - id have the state budget give all 5 Div 1 schools the money to pay the players right out of the state budget. make recruiting even easier.

Man, you come on campus near academic buildings and they would throw spit balls (okay, pop corn ala Russell Westbrook) at you.

EMU has been cutting and cutting and cutting for years and you want to spend more for athletics????

Reducing staff, hiring more adjunct, etc.

I think the ONE point you and I agree: IF I were the MI gov. I would use some Covid money and find a way to add 1M per FT student at MI public universities.

Schools would get ONE TIME 15, 20, 25, or even 50M depending on enrollment.

Need to put universities back on better financial footing.

Not one penny more should be spent on football. If it dies, it dies. In its existence, it has contributed virtually nothing to the university.

Thousands of students have benefitted from the value of an EMU education because they came to Eastern to play football. These are lives that otherwise likely would not have been touched so if not for EMU football. Many of them have gone on to be loyal alumni, donors, and supporters of EMU.
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(06-04-2021 03:07 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:34 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:32 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Despite your last sentence (big schools subsidize small schools in token ways, and NOT voluntarily, either), a true pro model would drive the MAC to say D-II status.

We're hemorrhaging red ink, as a university and athletic dept. and you want to bust our athletic budget???? 04-chairshot

i actually edited in another line after i posted:

EMU - a school that isnt in the best financial shape in the world - had an operating budget of 288 million for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. a 3 million bump would be less than 1 percent of the total budget. And honestly if I was the governor of Michigan and i wanted an easy win - id have the state budget give all 5 Div 1 schools the money to pay the players right out of the state budget. make recruiting even easier.

Man, you come on campus near academic buildings and they would throw spit balls (okay, pop corn ala Russell Westbrook) at you.

EMU has been cutting and cutting and cutting for years and you want to spend more for athletics????

Reducing staff, hiring more adjunct, etc.

I think the ONE point you and I agree: IF I were the MI gov. I would use some Covid money and find a way to add 1M per FT student at MI public universities.

Schools would get ONE TIME 15, 20, 25, or even 50M depending on enrollment.

Need to put universities back on better financial footing.

Not one penny more should be spent on football. If it dies, it dies. In its existence, it has contributed virtually nothing to the university.

Thousands of students have benefitted from the value of an EMU education because they came to Eastern to play football. These are lives that otherwise likely would not have been touched so if not for EMU football. Many of them have gone on to be loyal alumni, donors, and supporters of EMU.

Don't engage - he's trolling but he isn't good at it.

A good troll is still funny.
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(06-04-2021 03:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 03:07 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:34 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  i actually edited in another line after i posted:

EMU - a school that isnt in the best financial shape in the world - had an operating budget of 288 million for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. a 3 million bump would be less than 1 percent of the total budget. And honestly if I was the governor of Michigan and i wanted an easy win - id have the state budget give all 5 Div 1 schools the money to pay the players right out of the state budget. make recruiting even easier.

Man, you come on campus near academic buildings and they would throw spit balls (okay, pop corn ala Russell Westbrook) at you.

EMU has been cutting and cutting and cutting for years and you want to spend more for athletics????

Reducing staff, hiring more adjunct, etc.

I think the ONE point you and I agree: IF I were the MI gov. I would use some Covid money and find a way to add 1M per FT student at MI public universities.

Schools would get ONE TIME 15, 20, 25, or even 50M depending on enrollment.

Need to put universities back on better financial footing.

Not one penny more should be spent on football. If it dies, it dies. In its existence, it has contributed virtually nothing to the university.

Thousands of students have benefitted from the value of an EMU education because they came to Eastern to play football. These are lives that otherwise likely would not have been touched so if not for EMU football. Many of them have gone on to be loyal alumni, donors, and supporters of EMU.

Don't engage - he's trolling but he isn't good at it.

A good troll is still funny.

I recognized the troll...just hoping he chokes on the bait.
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(06-04-2021 03:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 03:07 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:34 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  i actually edited in another line after i posted:

EMU - a school that isnt in the best financial shape in the world - had an operating budget of 288 million for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. a 3 million bump would be less than 1 percent of the total budget. And honestly if I was the governor of Michigan and i wanted an easy win - id have the state budget give all 5 Div 1 schools the money to pay the players right out of the state budget. make recruiting even easier.

Man, you come on campus near academic buildings and they would throw spit balls (okay, pop corn ala Russell Westbrook) at you.

EMU has been cutting and cutting and cutting for years and you want to spend more for athletics????

Reducing staff, hiring more adjunct, etc.

I think the ONE point you and I agree: IF I were the MI gov. I would use some Covid money and find a way to add 1M per FT student at MI public universities.

Schools would get ONE TIME 15, 20, 25, or even 50M depending on enrollment.

Need to put universities back on better financial footing.

Not one penny more should be spent on football. If it dies, it dies. In its existence, it has contributed virtually nothing to the university.

Thousands of students have benefitted from the value of an EMU education because they came to Eastern to play football. These are lives that otherwise likely would not have been touched so if not for EMU football. Many of them have gone on to be loyal alumni, donors, and supporters of EMU.

Don't engage - he's trolling but he isn't good at it.

A good troll is still funny.

Is trolling what you call someone with whom you disagree? I’ve been on this site far longer than you. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. But engage in a conversation and don’t take the easy way out.
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(06-04-2021 03:07 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:34 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:32 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Despite your last sentence (big schools subsidize small schools in token ways, and NOT voluntarily, either), a true pro model would drive the MAC to say D-II status.

We're hemorrhaging red ink, as a university and athletic dept. and you want to bust our athletic budget???? 04-chairshot

i actually edited in another line after i posted:

EMU - a school that isnt in the best financial shape in the world - had an operating budget of 288 million for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. a 3 million bump would be less than 1 percent of the total budget. And honestly if I was the governor of Michigan and i wanted an easy win - id have the state budget give all 5 Div 1 schools the money to pay the players right out of the state budget. make recruiting even easier.

Man, you come on campus near academic buildings and they would throw spit balls (okay, pop corn ala Russell Westbrook) at you.

EMU has been cutting and cutting and cutting for years and you want to spend more for athletics????

Reducing staff, hiring more adjunct, etc.

I think the ONE point you and I agree: IF I were the MI gov. I would use some Covid money and find a way to add 1M per FT student at MI public universities.

Schools would get ONE TIME 15, 20, 25, or even 50M depending on enrollment.

Need to put universities back on better financial footing.

Not one penny more should be spent on football. If it dies, it dies. In its existence, it has contributed virtually nothing to the university.

Thousands of students have benefitted from the value of an EMU education because they came to Eastern to play football. These are lives that otherwise likely would not have been touched so if not for EMU football. Many of them have gone on to be loyal alumni, donors, and supporters of EMU.

I’m a former EMU baseball player, so I appreciate the value of athletics. With all of the money EMU spends on football, it SHOULD pay some kind of dividend. Certainly the things you mentioned are important.

But this is not the time in history to escalate participation in a college football arms race that has minimal impact on the success of the institution itself. Did the PJ Fleck era help WMU as an institution? Did getting to a BCS bowl dramatically improve the financial fortunes of Northern Illinois?
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(06-04-2021 11:44 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 03:07 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:09 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 07:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-28-2021 06:34 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  i actually edited in another line after i posted:

EMU - a school that isnt in the best financial shape in the world - had an operating budget of 288 million for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. a 3 million bump would be less than 1 percent of the total budget. And honestly if I was the governor of Michigan and i wanted an easy win - id have the state budget give all 5 Div 1 schools the money to pay the players right out of the state budget. make recruiting even easier.

Man, you come on campus near academic buildings and they would throw spit balls (okay, pop corn ala Russell Westbrook) at you.

EMU has been cutting and cutting and cutting for years and you want to spend more for athletics????

Reducing staff, hiring more adjunct, etc.

I think the ONE point you and I agree: IF I were the MI gov. I would use some Covid money and find a way to add 1M per FT student at MI public universities.

Schools would get ONE TIME 15, 20, 25, or even 50M depending on enrollment.

Need to put universities back on better financial footing.

Not one penny more should be spent on football. If it dies, it dies. In its existence, it has contributed virtually nothing to the university.

Thousands of students have benefitted from the value of an EMU education because they came to Eastern to play football. These are lives that otherwise likely would not have been touched so if not for EMU football. Many of them have gone on to be loyal alumni, donors, and supporters of EMU.

I’m a former EMU baseball player, so I appreciate the value of athletics. With all of the money EMU spends on football, it SHOULD pay some kind of dividend. Certainly the things you mentioned are important.

But this is not the time in history to escalate participation in a college football arms race that has minimal impact on the success of the institution itself. Did the PJ Fleck era help WMU as an institution? Did getting to a BCS bowl dramatically improve the financial fortunes of Northern Illinois?

Bovine, you're wrong. Here's why.... The EMU football team has never been better and has never had this much potential in recent years. If the football team has a great year and draws attendance and most importantly a bowl game that draw eyeballs it ABSOLUTELY helps the university. Refer to ANY major study of the impact of college football success on enrollment. Why would you even WANT to disagree, especially as a former athlete. I would want all the success in the world to come and bring legitimacy to a once-struggling program. Question to you.....what is the "success of the institution" you are talking about? Be specific instead of angry.
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In a subject near and dear to DP's heart, Washington Post had a sentence or two indicating that states are moving ahead on their NIL (and if you don't know what NIL is, ask DP) legislation ahead of the federal government.

The sentence refers to trying to get an upper hand in recruiting. A 5-star QB might be told his NIL possibilities are much, much greater at Clemson than say Arkansas. A 3-star QB might be told that his NIL possibilities are much, much greater in K'zoo (the wellspring of money) than EMU.
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(06-10-2021 09:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  In a subject near and dear to DP's heart, Washington Post had a sentence or two indicating that states are moving ahead on their NIL (and if you don't know what NIL is, ask DP) legislation ahead of the federal government.

The sentence refers to trying to get an upper hand in recruiting. A 5-star QB might be told his NIL possibilities are much, much greater at Clemson than say Arkansas. A 3-star QB might be told that his NIL possibilities are much, much greater in K'zoo (the wellspring of money) than EMU.

I think opening up NIL rights to players is going to add a new dimension to athletics departments. Part of the recruiting pitch is going to be how can we help you - a player - market yourself to maximize your earning potential. From a business education perspective - this is really neat. I think the schools that will benefit the most will be the biggest P5 schools for obvious reasons followed by G5 schools that are the ONLY game in town. Think Boise State, New Mexico, Nevada, Georgia Southern, UTEP - places where you can become a bit of a local celebrity.

I'm not sure Western's donation will help them in this case because it is my understanding that the money has to come from third parties and not the university proper.

If i was a local bar or restaurant you best believe i would want to sign a few players to appear in ads or whatever.
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(06-10-2021 09:48 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-10-2021 09:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  In a subject near and dear to DP's heart, Washington Post had a sentence or two indicating that states are moving ahead on their NIL (and if you don't know what NIL is, ask DP) legislation ahead of the federal government.

The sentence refers to trying to get an upper hand in recruiting. A 5-star QB might be told his NIL possibilities are much, much greater at Clemson than say Arkansas. A 3-star QB might be told that his NIL possibilities are much, much greater in K'zoo (the wellspring of money) than EMU.

I think opening up NIL rights to players is going to add a new dimension to athletics departments. Part of the recruiting pitch is going to be how can we help you - a player - market yourself to maximize your earning potential. From a business education perspective - this is really neat. I think the schools that will benefit the most will be the biggest P5 schools for obvious reasons followed by G5 schools that are the ONLY game in town. Think Boise State, New Mexico, Nevada, Georgia Southern, UTEP - places where you can become a bit of a local celebrity.

I'm not sure Western's donation will help them in this case because it is my understanding that the money has to come from third parties and not the university proper.

If i was a local bar or restaurant you best believe i would want to sign a few players to appear in ads or whatever.

I agree with your comments. The K'zoo comment was mostly in jest but they are the only game in town, being far from both MSU and UofM.

The biggest problem EMU has, and no one talks about it, is that we have so little corporate sponsorship.

How many corporate offices, etc. are there east of US-23? Isn't Ypsilanti's economy mostly EMU, St. Joes, schools, etc. with very little corporate, etc.

Can you imagine the fun Dan McL. would have in Boise with the whole damn state at his feet? Or UNLV?

Out my way, how about U. of Maryland with all of D.C. and the life science companies in Montgomery County?
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