(06-21-2021 10:58 AM)dansplaining Wrote: (06-21-2021 10:01 AM)emu steve Wrote: (06-21-2021 09:48 AM)dansplaining Wrote: (06-21-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote: This is DP after today's SCOTUS ruling:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/21/politics/...%3A37%3A34
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...769539002/
"The case doesn’t decide whether students can be paid salaries. Instead, the ruling will help determine whether schools decide to offer athletes tens of thousands of dollars in education-related benefits for things such as computers, graduate scholarships, tutoring, study abroad and internships."
Not there yet - but the NCAA's power is eroding one court case / law at a time.
Okay, I'll give it two:
This quote from Cavanaugh just nukes the hell out of the NCAA:
“The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that ‘customers prefer’ to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a ‘love of the law.’ Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a ‘purer’ form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a ‘tradition’ of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a ‘spirit of amateurism’ in Hollywood.”
The judge is correct, the NCAA business model would be illegal in any other industry. That accepted and acknowledged, the pro sport model would be illegal as well.
Sports ARE a unique industry and comparing them to restaurants, News orgs or movie studios is not valid.
If Wendy's, Taco Belle, Burger King, Arby's and Sonic were to go out of business, would McDonalds benefit? Of course they would have a near monopoly on the huge fast food business! If NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox and MSNBC dropped their news program would CBS benefit as well? You betcha, their news ratings would skyrocket and they could name their price on ad placements on their new programming.
Now if every team in the B1G conference dropped football except for Michigan would the Wolverines enjoy their monopoly as well. Hell no! They would have nobody to play and thus their industry would die. They would be the Kings of Nothing! Sports teams compete on the field in an entertainment sense, but they rely on each other to cooperate financially to maintain their businesses. Do the major fast food chains have something like the Big Ten network where they broadcast their competition and share the revenue of such? I realize the question is absurd, but then again, so is the comparison of sports to the food industry.
Dan I will always admire your labor-friendly passion and I will not by any means propound the idea that the NCAA is a well run organization. It clearly is not, Mark Emmert is an ex-University President, he simply does not possess a sliver of the managerial, business or political skills of a Roger Goodell or Adam Silver. I suspect that if he did the NCAA would have presented a far more compelling case.
At the end of the day, please don't put forward the idea that "the money is there, they just have to find it". That is wildly preposterous and based on your largely intelligent posts, I suspect your passion for labor has clouded your normally reasonable judgement. The money clearly is NOT there for the vast majority of programs.
'79 is correct, the UAW celebrated ultra lucrative contracts in the 70's and now the results of such have manifested into a whole bunch of shuttered factories in the Midwest. This victory will have the same unintended consequences, Steve is dead on, EMU will be forced into a club sport situation without scholarships.
Make no mistake about it, the NFL will still scout the program as they will need players. The problem is this: An Alex Howie will still play at EMU because his father is successful and is able to foot the tuition bill. How many other athletes on the EMU roster will enjoy similar circumstances?
I will present two words to you, "systemic racism". It is what it is.