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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 06:57 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
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(07-08-2021 03:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Read for yourself. It took ONE WEEK for someone to blow the lid off of this...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...cholarship

Blow the lid off what? That sounds like a great investment for Dan Lambert. Miami LOVES the Hurricanes and that's a super easy endorsement deal to make. Nothing about that is uncouth or shady. If I'm being honest I guess I'm surprised it isn't more? If you think this is the first time Miami Hurricanes players have been paid you're the most naive college football fan on planet earth.

Speaking of Miami - Check out what D'Eriq King (and Mackenzie Milton of FSU) are doing:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...nil-rules/

The good thing about what he is doing is 'blowing the lid' off of this.

Remember say 16 months ago, too many people had their heads in the sand about Covid (it will pass and go away) and then it didn't.

Here the NCAA and Congress had their heads in the sand about NIL and hoped it wouldn't explode. It just did.

This guy Lambert may have money but he is no Jerry Jones, Phil Knight, etc. T. Boone Pickett I believed died a few years ago.

Now Congress needs to act.

As far as 'everyone does it' that is the mantra on tax cheating. Any researcher knows one doesn't need to catch 100% of speeders, etc. Catch 5% and the other 95% get the message.

In college sports it only takes ONE to blow the whistle. Pete Rose got caught for tax evasion. I forgot the infamous organized crime guy who didn't get caught for murder but tax evasion.

Blow the whistle on what? What he's doing is completely legal. It's out in the open. What are you even talking about?
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RE: "Money Monday"
Illegal recruiting inducements.
The NCAA rules are written on paper which has turned yellow many years ago.
They are still in effect.
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(07-08-2021 07:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Illegal recruiting inducements.
The NCAA rules are written on paper which has turned yellow many years ago.
They are still in effect.

How is that recruiting inducement? Go to Miami where you will have more fans than at FIU?
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(07-08-2021 07:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Illegal recruiting inducements.
The NCAA rules are written on paper which has turned yellow many years ago.
They are still in effect.

How is that recruiting inducement? Go to Miami where you will have more fans than at FIU?

Do you understand the law?

Things are usually stated in terms of monetary value.

Saying go to Miami U (Oxford, OH) because the weather is better than Mt. Pleasant isn't an illegal inducement. It is considered an opinion and of no legal regard. If I were a 18 year old skier I'd consider the Mt. Pleasant climate better than greater Cincy. Some kids from FL actually are entralled to see SNOW in Ann Arbor while most Michiganders hate foot after foot of it.

To 'promise someone something for something' is the classic definition of a verbal or written contract (BTW, I did have this as an undergrad at Wayne State. They had law classes for business students, e.g., I had 'agency, contracts.' I also served on a HOA board for a number of years and understand contracts I forgot if I had to countersign with the HOA president contracts - Usually requires two board officers). If I give you a 2008 Chevy free it is a gift. If you give me $1 is a legal contractual sale. Written or unwritten.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 08:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:13 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 07:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Illegal recruiting inducements.
The NCAA rules are written on paper which has turned yellow many years ago.
They are still in effect.

How is that recruiting inducement? Go to Miami where you will have more fans than at FIU?

Do you understand the law?

Things are usually stated in terms of monetary value.

Saying go to Miami U (Oxford, OH) because the weather is better than Mt. Pleasant isn't an illegal inducement. It is considered an opinion and of no legal regard. If I were a 18 year old skier I'd consider the Mt. Pleasant climate better than greater Cincy. Some kids from FL actually are entralled to see SNOW in Ann Arbor while most Michiganders hate foot after foot of it.

To 'promise someone something for something' is the classic definition of a contract (BTW, I did have this as an undergrad at Wayne State. They had law classes for business students, e.g., I had 'agency, contracts.' I also severed on a HOA board for a number of years and understand contracts I forgot if I had to countersign with the HOA president contracts - Usually requires two board officers). If I give you a 2008 Chevy free it is a gift. If you give me $1 is a legal sale.

Is that any different than promising playing time? Or promising bowl games? Or promising playing in front of 100k people?
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 08:44 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:13 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 07:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Illegal recruiting inducements.
The NCAA rules are written on paper which has turned yellow many years ago.
They are still in effect.

How is that recruiting inducement? Go to Miami where you will have more fans than at FIU?

Do you understand the law?

Things are usually stated in terms of monetary value.

Saying go to Miami U (Oxford, OH) because the weather is better than Mt. Pleasant isn't an illegal inducement. It is considered an opinion and of no legal regard. If I were a 18 year old skier I'd consider the Mt. Pleasant climate better than greater Cincy. Some kids from FL actually are entralled to see SNOW in Ann Arbor while most Michiganders hate foot after foot of it.

To 'promise someone something for something' is the classic definition of a contract (BTW, I did have this as an undergrad at Wayne State. They had law classes for business students, e.g., I had 'agency, contracts.' I also severed on a HOA board for a number of years and understand contracts I forgot if I had to countersign with the HOA president contracts - Usually requires two board officers). If I give you a 2008 Chevy free it is a gift. If you give me $1 is a legal sale.

Is that any different than promising playing time? Or promising bowl games? Or promising playing in front of 100k people?

Yes. Those promises are legally worthless. Unenforceable.

If 4-star recruit sues the U saying I was promised that I would start my freshman year and I didn't I wish the following remedies: 1). Ability to immediately transfer, 2). (fill in the blank).

A court would say the U promised you the usual benefits that every other scholarship FB player gets at your university. Any additional promises are not enforceable unless written because your grant in aid is the contract where promises, both ways, are made. I would think that the NCAA would prohibit any U going beyond the standard written contracts for LOI and grant in aid. All of it must pass the compliance office and the conference governing board.

E.g., a promise of a job as a FB GA after graduating would be an illegal inducement.

As far as most promises, not written, they are marketing and Brand X toothpaste can claim to be 99% effective in protecting against cavities and Brand Y will say "99.9%" or we have clinically proven the best toothpaste you can buy.

Those promises are worthless and legally just opinions. And 'opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one.'

Last legal point for the a.m.: When there is a written contract verbal promises are usually not enforceable because verbal promise contradict the purpose of a written contract, to explicitly describe what he party promises to the other.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 08:50 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:44 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:13 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 07:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Illegal recruiting inducements.
The NCAA rules are written on paper which has turned yellow many years ago.
They are still in effect.

How is that recruiting inducement? Go to Miami where you will have more fans than at FIU?

Do you understand the law?

Things are usually stated in terms of monetary value.

Saying go to Miami U (Oxford, OH) because the weather is better than Mt. Pleasant isn't an illegal inducement. It is considered an opinion and of no legal regard. If I were a 18 year old skier I'd consider the Mt. Pleasant climate better than greater Cincy. Some kids from FL actually are entralled to see SNOW in Ann Arbor while most Michiganders hate foot after foot of it.

To 'promise someone something for something' is the classic definition of a contract (BTW, I did have this as an undergrad at Wayne State. They had law classes for business students, e.g., I had 'agency, contracts.' I also severed on a HOA board for a number of years and understand contracts I forgot if I had to countersign with the HOA president contracts - Usually requires two board officers). If I give you a 2008 Chevy free it is a gift. If you give me $1 is a legal sale.

Is that any different than promising playing time? Or promising bowl games? Or promising playing in front of 100k people?

Yes. Those promises are legally worthless. Unenforceable.

If 4-star recruit sues the U saying I was promised that I would start my freshman year and I didn't I wish the following remedies: 1). Ability to immediately transfer, 2). (fill in the blank).

A court would say the U promised you the usual benefits that every other scholarship FB player gets at your university. Any additional promises are not enforceable unless written because your grant in aid is the contract where promises, both ways, are made. I would think that the NCAA would prohibit any U going beyond the standard written contracts for LOI and grant in aid. All of it must pass the compliance office and the conference governing board.

E.g., a promise of a job as a FB GA after graduating would be an illegal inducement.

As far as most promises, not written, they are marketing and Brand X toothpaste can claim to be 99% effective in protecting against cavities and Brand Y will say "99.9%" or we have clinically proven the best toothpaste you can buy.

Those promises are worthless and legally just opinions. And 'opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one.'

So then how does any of that - literally even one part of that - have to do with a local business owner paying players at the popular local university to endorse his gyms? He isn't affiliated with the school. The school isn't making any promises. Everything is on the up and up and out in the open. Arrangements like this are going to happen at maybe 50-60 schools in the country in the next few years. Stop clutching your pearls and acting like Miami players getting paid (legally for the first time ever LOL) is going to be the downfall of college football. It makes you look like a complete rube.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 09:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:50 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:44 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:13 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  How is that recruiting inducement? Go to Miami where you will have more fans than at FIU?

Do you understand the law?

Things are usually stated in terms of monetary value.

Saying go to Miami U (Oxford, OH) because the weather is better than Mt. Pleasant isn't an illegal inducement. It is considered an opinion and of no legal regard. If I were a 18 year old skier I'd consider the Mt. Pleasant climate better than greater Cincy. Some kids from FL actually are entralled to see SNOW in Ann Arbor while most Michiganders hate foot after foot of it.

To 'promise someone something for something' is the classic definition of a contract (BTW, I did have this as an undergrad at Wayne State. They had law classes for business students, e.g., I had 'agency, contracts.' I also severed on a HOA board for a number of years and understand contracts I forgot if I had to countersign with the HOA president contracts - Usually requires two board officers). If I give you a 2008 Chevy free it is a gift. If you give me $1 is a legal sale.

Is that any different than promising playing time? Or promising bowl games? Or promising playing in front of 100k people?

Yes. Those promises are legally worthless. Unenforceable.

If 4-star recruit sues the U saying I was promised that I would start my freshman year and I didn't I wish the following remedies: 1). Ability to immediately transfer, 2). (fill in the blank).

A court would say the U promised you the usual benefits that every other scholarship FB player gets at your university. Any additional promises are not enforceable unless written because your grant in aid is the contract where promises, both ways, are made. I would think that the NCAA would prohibit any U going beyond the standard written contracts for LOI and grant in aid. All of it must pass the compliance office and the conference governing board.

E.g., a promise of a job as a FB GA after graduating would be an illegal inducement.

As far as most promises, not written, they are marketing and Brand X toothpaste can claim to be 99% effective in protecting against cavities and Brand Y will say "99.9%" or we have clinically proven the best toothpaste you can buy.

Those promises are worthless and legally just opinions. And 'opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one.'

So then how does any of that - literally even one part of that - have to do with a local business owner paying players at the popular local university to endorse his gyms? He isn't affiliated with the school. The school isn't making any promises. Everything is on the up and up and out in the open. Arrangements like this are going to happen at maybe 50-60 schools in the country in the next few years. Stop clutching your pearls and acting like Miami players getting paid (legally for the first time ever LOL) is going to be the downfall of college football. It makes you look like a complete rube.

NO!! This is CLASSIC case of booster giving extra benefits to a recruit. This is the first NCAA "commandment" "Thou shall not give extra benefits to an athlete or prospective athlete."

Now, what happens, a booster or school or coaches don't play by the rules, and someone blows the whistle. Some schools, SMU FB, were given the 'death penalty' (Craig James, 1980s was one player) for illegal stuff.

"James played on the 1981 SMU team that won the Southwest Conference title while being on NCAA probation as a result of recruiting violations dating back to the mid-1970s. ... As a result of the repeated violations, SMU received the "death penalty" from the NCAA, shutting down the program in 1987 and 1988. "

This rule goes back decades before you were even born.

BTW, this is the EMU guidance for boosters (most of us here are probably considered boosters if we bought season tickets, contributed money, etc.)

https://emueagles.com/sports/2007/12/11/...21107.aspx
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 09:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:50 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:44 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Do you understand the law?

Things are usually stated in terms of monetary value.

Saying go to Miami U (Oxford, OH) because the weather is better than Mt. Pleasant isn't an illegal inducement. It is considered an opinion and of no legal regard. If I were a 18 year old skier I'd consider the Mt. Pleasant climate better than greater Cincy. Some kids from FL actually are entralled to see SNOW in Ann Arbor while most Michiganders hate foot after foot of it.

To 'promise someone something for something' is the classic definition of a contract (BTW, I did have this as an undergrad at Wayne State. They had law classes for business students, e.g., I had 'agency, contracts.' I also severed on a HOA board for a number of years and understand contracts I forgot if I had to countersign with the HOA president contracts - Usually requires two board officers). If I give you a 2008 Chevy free it is a gift. If you give me $1 is a legal sale.

Is that any different than promising playing time? Or promising bowl games? Or promising playing in front of 100k people?

Yes. Those promises are legally worthless. Unenforceable.

If 4-star recruit sues the U saying I was promised that I would start my freshman year and I didn't I wish the following remedies: 1). Ability to immediately transfer, 2). (fill in the blank).

A court would say the U promised you the usual benefits that every other scholarship FB player gets at your university. Any additional promises are not enforceable unless written because your grant in aid is the contract where promises, both ways, are made. I would think that the NCAA would prohibit any U going beyond the standard written contracts for LOI and grant in aid. All of it must pass the compliance office and the conference governing board.

E.g., a promise of a job as a FB GA after graduating would be an illegal inducement.

As far as most promises, not written, they are marketing and Brand X toothpaste can claim to be 99% effective in protecting against cavities and Brand Y will say "99.9%" or we have clinically proven the best toothpaste you can buy.

Those promises are worthless and legally just opinions. And 'opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one.'

So then how does any of that - literally even one part of that - have to do with a local business owner paying players at the popular local university to endorse his gyms? He isn't affiliated with the school. The school isn't making any promises. Everything is on the up and up and out in the open. Arrangements like this are going to happen at maybe 50-60 schools in the country in the next few years. Stop clutching your pearls and acting like Miami players getting paid (legally for the first time ever LOL) is going to be the downfall of college football. It makes you look like a complete rube.

NO!! This is CLASSIC case of booster giving extra benefits to a recruit. This is the first NCAA "commandment" "Thou shall not give extra benefits to an athlete or prospective athlete."

Now, what happens, a booster or school or coaches don't play by the rules, and someone blows the whistle. Some schools, SMU FB, were given the 'death penalty' (Craig James, 1980s was one player) for illegal stuff.

"James played on the 1981 SMU team that won the Southwest Conference title while being on NCAA probation as a result of recruiting violations dating back to the mid-1970s. ... As a result of the repeated violations, SMU received the "death penalty" from the NCAA, shutting down the program in 1987 and 1988. "

This rule goes back decades before you were even born.

BTW, this is the EMU guidance for boosters (most of us here are probably considered boosters if we bought season tickets, contributed money, etc.)

https://emueagles.com/sports/2007/12/11/...21107.aspx

Yeah i mean there have only been a bunch of court cases and state laws passed nullifying that rule. Isnt that the whole point of this thread right? To discuss how these changes in policy will effect EMU and other schools and their players.

The players being paid by local businesses for sponsorship are performing a service that has value (endorsing a project or service) and are being compensated per an agreement between those businesses and participating players. According to some recent supreme court rulings - the NCAA cant limit that anymore. Get over it.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 09:37 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:50 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:44 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Is that any different than promising playing time? Or promising bowl games? Or promising playing in front of 100k people?

Yes. Those promises are legally worthless. Unenforceable.

If 4-star recruit sues the U saying I was promised that I would start my freshman year and I didn't I wish the following remedies: 1). Ability to immediately transfer, 2). (fill in the blank).

A court would say the U promised you the usual benefits that every other scholarship FB player gets at your university. Any additional promises are not enforceable unless written because your grant in aid is the contract where promises, both ways, are made. I would think that the NCAA would prohibit any U going beyond the standard written contracts for LOI and grant in aid. All of it must pass the compliance office and the conference governing board.

E.g., a promise of a job as a FB GA after graduating would be an illegal inducement.

As far as most promises, not written, they are marketing and Brand X toothpaste can claim to be 99% effective in protecting against cavities and Brand Y will say "99.9%" or we have clinically proven the best toothpaste you can buy.

Those promises are worthless and legally just opinions. And 'opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one.'

So then how does any of that - literally even one part of that - have to do with a local business owner paying players at the popular local university to endorse his gyms? He isn't affiliated with the school. The school isn't making any promises. Everything is on the up and up and out in the open. Arrangements like this are going to happen at maybe 50-60 schools in the country in the next few years. Stop clutching your pearls and acting like Miami players getting paid (legally for the first time ever LOL) is going to be the downfall of college football. It makes you look like a complete rube.

NO!! This is CLASSIC case of booster giving extra benefits to a recruit. This is the first NCAA "commandment" "Thou shall not give extra benefits to an athlete or prospective athlete."

Now, what happens, a booster or school or coaches don't play by the rules, and someone blows the whistle. Some schools, SMU FB, were given the 'death penalty' (Craig James, 1980s was one player) for illegal stuff.

"James played on the 1981 SMU team that won the Southwest Conference title while being on NCAA probation as a result of recruiting violations dating back to the mid-1970s. ... As a result of the repeated violations, SMU received the "death penalty" from the NCAA, shutting down the program in 1987 and 1988. "

This rule goes back decades before you were even born.

BTW, this is the EMU guidance for boosters (most of us here are probably considered boosters if we bought season tickets, contributed money, etc.)

https://emueagles.com/sports/2007/12/11/...21107.aspx

Yeah i mean there have only been a bunch of court cases and state laws passed nullifying that rule. Isnt that the whole point of this thread right? To discuss how these changes in policy will effect EMU and other schools and their players.

The players being paid by local businesses for sponsorship are performing a service that has value (endorsing a project or service) and are being compensated per an agreement between those businesses and participating players. According to some recent supreme court rulings - the NCAA cant limit that anymore. Get over it.

NIL is ONLY ONE provision of the NCAA benefit rules and what SCOTUS ruled.

Hutchinson can't put on his game jersey, etc. and have a meet and greet at Little Caesars.

Nor can the EMU book store sell FB jerseys with Hutchinson's name on it.

Nor can EMU promise recruits that if they come to EMU they will be able...

I still can not invite Hutchinson for a free trip to D.C. to see if he wants to seek employment here. That's clearly 'added benefits' - that has not change.

DP: I'm surprised that EVERYONE here isn't familiar with the NCAA rules. Everyone should know them. EMU tries to publicize the booster rules. Anyone who has bought season tickets, contributed funds, etc. is a booster. Period.

Everyone should know, "everyone does it" is not a legal defense. There are indictments in NYC of a corporation and high ranking official over improper handling of fringe benefits and taxes (referred to as tax evasion).

This is from the NCAA (quoted): [Based on the NCAA rules, what the guy in Miami proposes to do would be a NCAA violation, IMHO.]

11. What is prohibited under the new policy?
Subject to state law, the following is prohibited under the new interim policy:
• NIL agreement without quid pro quo (e.g., compensation for work not performed).
NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school.
• Compensation for athletic participation or achievement. Athletic performance may enhance a student-athlete’s NIL value, but athletic performance may not be the “consideration” for NIL compensation.
• Institutions providing compensation in exchange for the use of a student-athlete’s name, image or likeness.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-08-2021 09:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:37 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 08:50 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Yes. Those promises are legally worthless. Unenforceable.

If 4-star recruit sues the U saying I was promised that I would start my freshman year and I didn't I wish the following remedies: 1). Ability to immediately transfer, 2). (fill in the blank).

A court would say the U promised you the usual benefits that every other scholarship FB player gets at your university. Any additional promises are not enforceable unless written because your grant in aid is the contract where promises, both ways, are made. I would think that the NCAA would prohibit any U going beyond the standard written contracts for LOI and grant in aid. All of it must pass the compliance office and the conference governing board.

E.g., a promise of a job as a FB GA after graduating would be an illegal inducement.

As far as most promises, not written, they are marketing and Brand X toothpaste can claim to be 99% effective in protecting against cavities and Brand Y will say "99.9%" or we have clinically proven the best toothpaste you can buy.

Those promises are worthless and legally just opinions. And 'opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one.'

So then how does any of that - literally even one part of that - have to do with a local business owner paying players at the popular local university to endorse his gyms? He isn't affiliated with the school. The school isn't making any promises. Everything is on the up and up and out in the open. Arrangements like this are going to happen at maybe 50-60 schools in the country in the next few years. Stop clutching your pearls and acting like Miami players getting paid (legally for the first time ever LOL) is going to be the downfall of college football. It makes you look like a complete rube.

NO!! This is CLASSIC case of booster giving extra benefits to a recruit. This is the first NCAA "commandment" "Thou shall not give extra benefits to an athlete or prospective athlete."

Now, what happens, a booster or school or coaches don't play by the rules, and someone blows the whistle. Some schools, SMU FB, were given the 'death penalty' (Craig James, 1980s was one player) for illegal stuff.

"James played on the 1981 SMU team that won the Southwest Conference title while being on NCAA probation as a result of recruiting violations dating back to the mid-1970s. ... As a result of the repeated violations, SMU received the "death penalty" from the NCAA, shutting down the program in 1987 and 1988. "

This rule goes back decades before you were even born.

BTW, this is the EMU guidance for boosters (most of us here are probably considered boosters if we bought season tickets, contributed money, etc.)

https://emueagles.com/sports/2007/12/11/...21107.aspx

Yeah i mean there have only been a bunch of court cases and state laws passed nullifying that rule. Isnt that the whole point of this thread right? To discuss how these changes in policy will effect EMU and other schools and their players.

The players being paid by local businesses for sponsorship are performing a service that has value (endorsing a project or service) and are being compensated per an agreement between those businesses and participating players. According to some recent supreme court rulings - the NCAA cant limit that anymore. Get over it.

NIL is ONLY ONE provision of the NCAA benefit rules and what SCOTUS ruled.

Hutchinson can't put on his game jersey, etc. and have a meet and greet at Little Caesars.

Nor can the EMU book store sell FB jerseys with Hutchinson's name on it.

Nor can EMU promise recruits that if they come to EMU they will be able...

I still can not invite Hutchinson for a free trip to D.C. to see if he wants to seek employment here. That's clearly 'added benefits' - that has not change.

DP: I'm surprised that EVERYONE here isn't familiar with the NCAA rules. Everyone should know them. EMU tries to publicize the booster rules. Anyone who has bought season tickets, contributed funds, etc. is a booster. Period.

Everyone should know, "everyone does it" is not a legal defense. There are indictments in NYC of a corporation and high ranking official over improper handling of fringe benefits and taxes (referred to as tax evasion).

This is from the NCAA (quoted): [Based on the NCAA rules, what the guy in Miami proposes to do would be a NCAA violation, IMHO.]

11. What is prohibited under the new policy?
Subject to state law, the following is prohibited under the new interim policy:
• NIL agreement without quid pro quo (e.g., compensation for work not performed).
NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school.
• Compensation for athletic participation or achievement. Athletic performance may enhance a student-athlete’s NIL value, but athletic performance may not be the “consideration” for NIL compensation.
• Institutions providing compensation in exchange for the use of a student-athlete’s name, image or likeness.

"Subject to state law"

Also the SCOTUS ruled specifically ABOUT NIL so the rules about it dont even matter anymore.
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(07-08-2021 11:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:37 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  So then how does any of that - literally even one part of that - have to do with a local business owner paying players at the popular local university to endorse his gyms? He isn't affiliated with the school. The school isn't making any promises. Everything is on the up and up and out in the open. Arrangements like this are going to happen at maybe 50-60 schools in the country in the next few years. Stop clutching your pearls and acting like Miami players getting paid (legally for the first time ever LOL) is going to be the downfall of college football. It makes you look like a complete rube.

NO!! This is CLASSIC case of booster giving extra benefits to a recruit. This is the first NCAA "commandment" "Thou shall not give extra benefits to an athlete or prospective athlete."

Now, what happens, a booster or school or coaches don't play by the rules, and someone blows the whistle. Some schools, SMU FB, were given the 'death penalty' (Craig James, 1980s was one player) for illegal stuff.

"James played on the 1981 SMU team that won the Southwest Conference title while being on NCAA probation as a result of recruiting violations dating back to the mid-1970s. ... As a result of the repeated violations, SMU received the "death penalty" from the NCAA, shutting down the program in 1987 and 1988. "

This rule goes back decades before you were even born.

BTW, this is the EMU guidance for boosters (most of us here are probably considered boosters if we bought season tickets, contributed money, etc.)

https://emueagles.com/sports/2007/12/11/...21107.aspx

Yeah i mean there have only been a bunch of court cases and state laws passed nullifying that rule. Isnt that the whole point of this thread right? To discuss how these changes in policy will effect EMU and other schools and their players.

The players being paid by local businesses for sponsorship are performing a service that has value (endorsing a project or service) and are being compensated per an agreement between those businesses and participating players. According to some recent supreme court rulings - the NCAA cant limit that anymore. Get over it.

NIL is ONLY ONE provision of the NCAA benefit rules and what SCOTUS ruled.

Hutchinson can't put on his game jersey, etc. and have a meet and greet at Little Caesars.

Nor can the EMU book store sell FB jerseys with Hutchinson's name on it.

Nor can EMU promise recruits that if they come to EMU they will be able...

I still can not invite Hutchinson for a free trip to D.C. to see if he wants to seek employment here. That's clearly 'added benefits' - that has not change.

DP: I'm surprised that EVERYONE here isn't familiar with the NCAA rules. Everyone should know them. EMU tries to publicize the booster rules. Anyone who has bought season tickets, contributed funds, etc. is a booster. Period.

Everyone should know, "everyone does it" is not a legal defense. There are indictments in NYC of a corporation and high ranking official over improper handling of fringe benefits and taxes (referred to as tax evasion).

This is from the NCAA (quoted): [Based on the NCAA rules, what the guy in Miami proposes to do would be a NCAA violation, IMHO.]

11. What is prohibited under the new policy?
Subject to state law, the following is prohibited under the new interim policy:
• NIL agreement without quid pro quo (e.g., compensation for work not performed).
NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school.
• Compensation for athletic participation or achievement. Athletic performance may enhance a student-athlete’s NIL value, but athletic performance may not be the “consideration” for NIL compensation.
• Institutions providing compensation in exchange for the use of a student-athlete’s name, image or likeness.

"Subject to state law"

Also the SCOTUS ruled specifically ABOUT NIL so the rules about it dont even matter anymore.

We're getting there. we are actually talking about the law, etc.

As I understand it, SCOTUS issued their ruling first. Then NCAA issued their revised rules based on what SCOTUS wrote. Hence, I wouldn't assume what I quoted is illegal, unless and until, found illegal in a court of law.

NCAA still feel there are legal restrictions, e.g., the deal can't be made, promised, etc. before the student-athlete is, in face, an enrolled student-athlete, i.e., can't be made to a recruit.

Apparently NCAA feels that NIL isn't like 'free speech' meaning whatever I want it to mean.

The first one to get rich on this will be LAWYERS. It may take years for this to be settled in courts, Congress, etc.
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(07-08-2021 12:19 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 11:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:37 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-08-2021 09:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  NO!! This is CLASSIC case of booster giving extra benefits to a recruit. This is the first NCAA "commandment" "Thou shall not give extra benefits to an athlete or prospective athlete."

Now, what happens, a booster or school or coaches don't play by the rules, and someone blows the whistle. Some schools, SMU FB, were given the 'death penalty' (Craig James, 1980s was one player) for illegal stuff.

"James played on the 1981 SMU team that won the Southwest Conference title while being on NCAA probation as a result of recruiting violations dating back to the mid-1970s. ... As a result of the repeated violations, SMU received the "death penalty" from the NCAA, shutting down the program in 1987 and 1988. "

This rule goes back decades before you were even born.

BTW, this is the EMU guidance for boosters (most of us here are probably considered boosters if we bought season tickets, contributed money, etc.)

https://emueagles.com/sports/2007/12/11/...21107.aspx

Yeah i mean there have only been a bunch of court cases and state laws passed nullifying that rule. Isnt that the whole point of this thread right? To discuss how these changes in policy will effect EMU and other schools and their players.

The players being paid by local businesses for sponsorship are performing a service that has value (endorsing a project or service) and are being compensated per an agreement between those businesses and participating players. According to some recent supreme court rulings - the NCAA cant limit that anymore. Get over it.

NIL is ONLY ONE provision of the NCAA benefit rules and what SCOTUS ruled.

Hutchinson can't put on his game jersey, etc. and have a meet and greet at Little Caesars.

Nor can the EMU book store sell FB jerseys with Hutchinson's name on it.

Nor can EMU promise recruits that if they come to EMU they will be able...

I still can not invite Hutchinson for a free trip to D.C. to see if he wants to seek employment here. That's clearly 'added benefits' - that has not change.

DP: I'm surprised that EVERYONE here isn't familiar with the NCAA rules. Everyone should know them. EMU tries to publicize the booster rules. Anyone who has bought season tickets, contributed funds, etc. is a booster. Period.

Everyone should know, "everyone does it" is not a legal defense. There are indictments in NYC of a corporation and high ranking official over improper handling of fringe benefits and taxes (referred to as tax evasion).

This is from the NCAA (quoted): [Based on the NCAA rules, what the guy in Miami proposes to do would be a NCAA violation, IMHO.]

11. What is prohibited under the new policy?
Subject to state law, the following is prohibited under the new interim policy:
• NIL agreement without quid pro quo (e.g., compensation for work not performed).
NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school.
• Compensation for athletic participation or achievement. Athletic performance may enhance a student-athlete’s NIL value, but athletic performance may not be the “consideration” for NIL compensation.
• Institutions providing compensation in exchange for the use of a student-athlete’s name, image or likeness.

"Subject to state law"

Also the SCOTUS ruled specifically ABOUT NIL so the rules about it dont even matter anymore.

We're getting there. we are actually talking about the law, etc.

As I understand it, SCOTUS issued their ruling first. Then NCAA issued their revised rules based on what SCOTUS wrote. Hence, I wouldn't assume what I quoted is illegal, unless and until, found illegal in a court of law.

NCAA still feel there are legal restrictions, e.g., the deal can't be made, promised, etc. before the student-athlete is, in face, an enrolled student-athlete, i.e., can't be made to a recruit.

Apparently NCAA feels that NIL isn't like 'free speech' meaning whatever I want it to mean.

The first one to get rich on this will be LAWYERS. It may take years for this to be settled in courts, Congress, etc.

It's only going to go the courts if the NCAA fights it - which it doesn't seem like is happening. I'd post another article tying to explain this stuff but we BOTH know you won't read it or find some reason to discount the article because it isn't up to your bad faith requirements for it to be credible.
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Michigan tax revenues continue to exceed expectations:

https://www.senate.michigan.gov/sfa/Publ...Recent.pdf

K-12 school funding for 10/1/21-9/30/21 is complete. They have not finalized college and university funding-yet.

The Governor wants to use $250 million in federal stimulus money to upgrade the State park system.
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i'm hearing rumors of buy outs on university staff. light on details for now.
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Looks like every day is money monday at Michigan:

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/mich...e-football
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(07-14-2021 04:39 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Michigan tax revenues continue to exceed expectations:

https://www.senate.michigan.gov/sfa/Publ...Recent.pdf

K-12 school funding for 10/1/21-9/30/21 is complete. They have not finalized college and university funding-yet.

The Governor wants to use $250 million in federal stimulus money to upgrade the State park system.

I know you might disagree, but the State park system often provides the Gov to pose next to an attractive new project while posing with a shovel or cutting a ribbon.

That said, folks around Detroit are drowning in water because of neglect in our existing flood water systems. It just ain't sexy when you pose next to a pump upgrade or a more effective underground pipe system.
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(07-17-2021 06:41 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(07-14-2021 04:39 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Michigan tax revenues continue to exceed expectations:

https://www.senate.michigan.gov/sfa/Publ...Recent.pdf

K-12 school funding for 10/1/21-9/30/21 is complete. They have not finalized college and university funding-yet.

The Governor wants to use $250 million in federal stimulus money to upgrade the State park system.

I know you might disagree, but the State park system often provides the Gov to pose next to an attractive new project while posing with a shovel or cutting a ribbon.

That said, folks around Detroit are drowning in water because of neglect in our existing flood water systems. It just ain't sexy when you pose next to a pump upgrade or a more effective underground pipe system.

Expanding the park system around Detroit could create wetlands would lessen future flooding. I kid. Nobody will do anything that forward thinking.
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(07-17-2021 06:41 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(07-14-2021 04:39 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Michigan tax revenues continue to exceed expectations:

https://www.senate.michigan.gov/sfa/Publ...Recent.pdf

K-12 school funding for 10/1/21-9/30/21 is complete. They have not finalized college and university funding-yet.

The Governor wants to use $250 million in federal stimulus money to upgrade the State park system.

I know you might disagree, but the State park system often provides the Gov to pose next to an attractive new project while posing with a shovel or cutting a ribbon.

That said, folks around Detroit are drowning in water because of neglect in our existing flood water systems. It just ain't sexy when you pose next to a pump upgrade or a more effective underground pipe system.

That neglect has been going on for decades. However the governor may wait and see if the federal infrastructure bill passes. There's excess revenue in this fiscal year that could be used to help fix that problem. Major trunk lines are using bond proceeds to fix but the current year budget had over $500,000,000 to fix local and county bridges not included in the bond funding.
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Tariq Speights is in business as a photographer https://www.riqshotit.com/

Pretty good stuff too.
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