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RE: "Money Monday"
This is from USA Today:

"Jordan Bohannon
The Iowa men's basketball player was one of the prominent players who met with NCAA president Mark Emmert last March on this issue, so it is no surprise that he is being aggressive in his approach to profiting off his NIL. Last week, Bohannon posted mockups of T-shirts he planned to sell. List price is $33."

We could say try the following. NOTE: THIS IS TONGUE IN CHEECK.

If EMU signs a 2-star QB, I'll buy one shirt,
If EMU signs a 3-star QB, I'll buy five shirts,
If EMU signs a 4-star QB, I'll buy 25 shirts,
If EMU signs a 5-star QB, I'll buy 100 shirts (and donate all of them to members of this forum).

Is this what we want?

Not to be outdone by EMU Steve, UofMJoe says, I'll buy 500 shirts from a 5-star QB who signed with UofM. Buckeye_Tom says, I'll match UofMJoe and raise him... (think poker).

Also, remember, in the past, rich alums have flooded universities with monies to build gaudy facilities. I believe Phil Knight at Oregon. Forgot the name of the oil man (EDIT: T. Boone Pickett) who donated tens of millions to Okla State. But these are donations to the university not to athletes.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-28-2021 09:41 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 09:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 09:09 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 08:57 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 08:18 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Look the scope of this thread is the changing / emerging economic shifts in player rights and compensation at the NCAA level - not all economic realities facing new college students.

BUT if you want revisit these points: average college students dont generate income for the university like football players and average college students dont have limits on making money on their Names, Image, and Likeness rights. average college students and barter their value at jobs and join unions.

Actually you've crossed a line I'm not sure you wanted to.

Universities have to balance budgets which means that students (or more likely parents) and the state, etc. put up tons of money to operate.

A non-scholarship student may pay say 25K+ (and much higher for some schools) for tuition and residence hall room and board.

A scholarship athlete pays zero. If a scholarship athlete lives off campus the student-athlete is a cash expense on the school's profit and loss statement. Plus COA, books, etc. etc.

As as '79 has stated many times, a small number of D-I or D-II or NAIA, etc. schools operate at a profit.

There are over 350 D-I schools and less than say 50 operate at a profit.

College athletes are like the federal government, they may take in a helluva lot of moolah but spent a helluva lot more...

As I have posted before, I believe EMU spends about 16 or 17M a year CASH on athletics and their income, all sources, is maybe 1/3 of it. This does not count things like the value of scholarships as it isn't a cash item directly.

I majored in philosophy. If I wrote an awesome paper and a publication wanted to buy it from me and publish it - I would be allowed to. I'm a comedian. If comedy central wanted to book me and make a special and advertise that I'm funny use my name, image, and likeness i would be allowed to cash those checks. If i had a family friend that REALLY wanted me to attend EMU and wanted to help out with expenses - they could do that. If a professor wanted to buy me lunch - they could. Athletes can't do any of that and thats fundamentally wrong.

The economics of the university or how many college lose money on sports is meaningless - restriction of trade is restriction of trade and is DEEPLY un-American.

And paying out even more $$$ to athletes and having the rest of the students pay the difference is unjust. And paying more,$$$$ when the red ink is already overflowing isveconomic suicide which will lead to empty stadiums and arenas unless there is severe reform.

If you run a business and you don't make any money you arent legally allowed to not pay your employees.

Who said college athletes are employees?

How about high school? High schools charge admission for attendance much like the Detroit Lions do. Right? "IF it looks like a duck, if it quacks..."

I still say this is a big, big can of worms.
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(07-01-2021 08:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'll weigh in later with an article from USA Today where players are already making plans for $33 shirts.

I will remind DP that pro athletes who made big bucks on autographs, didn't pay taxes on such, etc. were prosecuted for tax evasion. Income is income. They will literally be small business men (and women). Lest I be wrong a CFO in NYC has been indicted on charges of not reporting taxable income on things some consider 'perks.'

I believe that a marathon runner who gets 50K or 100K for winning a major marathon that those monies are considered earnings and taxable.

When I worked, I got a bonus for my work on Y2K. That money was in a check and treated like any other earned income. Likewise, a 'performance bonus' for placing in a marathon is taxable income.

Also if it 'quakes like a duck, looks like a duck, it is a duck.' If college players are de facto pros with pro rights, their scholarships, etc. could be considered taxable by IRS.

As far as SCOTUS is concerned, they can rule on anti-trust, etc. but it DOES NOT preclude the IRS considering those athletes to be pros. Those are completely separate issues.

And again I'll indicate that if a Ph.D. student teaches say undergrad courses that teaching assistant income is considered wages for services performed and is taxable.

Much of American business is very mature. Ford has a collective bargaining relationship with the UAW. The legal issues are all flushed out. This changing landscape in college athletics is completely new. Labor laws have not be flushed out. Tax law has not be flushed out.

I suspect Congress will need to decide the laws like IRS has ruled on similar cases of college students receiving things of value. Much of that is settled tax law. This????

(07-01-2021 08:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  This is from USA Today:

"Jordan Bohannon
The Iowa men's basketball player was one of the prominent players who met with NCAA president Mark Emmert last March on this issue, so it is no surprise that he is being aggressive in his approach to profiting off his NIL. Last week, Bohannon posted mockups of T-shirts he planned to sell. List price is $33."

We could say try the following. NOTE: THIS IS TONGUE IN CHEECK.

If EMU signs a 2-star QB, I'll buy one shirt,
If EMU signs a 3-star QB, I'll buy five shirts,
If EMU signs a 4-star QB, I'll buy 25 shirts,
If EMU signs a 5-star QB, I'll buy 100 shirts (and donate all of them to members of this forum).

Is this what we want?

Not to be outdone by EMU Steve, UofMJoe says, I'll buy 500 shirts from a 5-star QB who signed with UofM. Buckeye_Tom says, I'll match UofMJoe and raise him... (think poker).

I'd like address your points individually.

1.) No one thinks money players make from NIL rights shouldn't be taxable. They will earn income and hopefully pay taxes on that income. If I was EMU I would hire a CPA to help the players get all of that done and stay out of trouble with the IRS. Should scholarships be considered taxable? Probably. But that's what comes with giving the players more rights to negotiate better wages and treatment from management.

2.) Yeah that shadiness for shirts or whatever is going to happen but who cares that's the free market? I'm more concerned with regular old players who have had their trade restricted. Heres a tweet from Marshall O-Line players Will Ulmer - a musician who wasnt allowed to perform paid gigs as himself: https://twitter.com/UlmerWill/status/141...4969390083 .

Players are finally being freed by a bunch of REAL dumb shackles and thats great. Personally - I will book any college player who performs stand up because it'll be a draw (maybe).
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-01-2021 09:08 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 09:41 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 09:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 09:09 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-28-2021 08:57 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Actually you've crossed a line I'm not sure you wanted to.

Universities have to balance budgets which means that students (or more likely parents) and the state, etc. put up tons of money to operate.

A non-scholarship student may pay say 25K+ (and much higher for some schools) for tuition and residence hall room and board.

A scholarship athlete pays zero. If a scholarship athlete lives off campus the student-athlete is a cash expense on the school's profit and loss statement. Plus COA, books, etc. etc.

As as '79 has stated many times, a small number of D-I or D-II or NAIA, etc. schools operate at a profit.

There are over 350 D-I schools and less than say 50 operate at a profit.

College athletes are like the federal government, they may take in a helluva lot of moolah but spent a helluva lot more...

As I have posted before, I believe EMU spends about 16 or 17M a year CASH on athletics and their income, all sources, is maybe 1/3 of it. This does not count things like the value of scholarships as it isn't a cash item directly.

I majored in philosophy. If I wrote an awesome paper and a publication wanted to buy it from me and publish it - I would be allowed to. I'm a comedian. If comedy central wanted to book me and make a special and advertise that I'm funny use my name, image, and likeness i would be allowed to cash those checks. If i had a family friend that REALLY wanted me to attend EMU and wanted to help out with expenses - they could do that. If a professor wanted to buy me lunch - they could. Athletes can't do any of that and thats fundamentally wrong.

The economics of the university or how many college lose money on sports is meaningless - restriction of trade is restriction of trade and is DEEPLY un-American.

And paying out even more $$$ to athletes and having the rest of the students pay the difference is unjust. And paying more,$$$$ when the red ink is already overflowing isveconomic suicide which will lead to empty stadiums and arenas unless there is severe reform.

If you run a business and you don't make any money you arent legally allowed to not pay your employees.

Who said college athletes are employees?

How about high school? High schools charge admission for attendance much like the Detroit Lions do. Right? "IF it looks like a duck, if it quacks..."

I still say this is a big, big can of worms.

The supreme court.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-01-2021 09:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 08:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'll weigh in later with an article from USA Today where players are already making plans for $33 shirts.

I will remind DP that pro athletes who made big bucks on autographs, didn't pay taxes on such, etc. were prosecuted for tax evasion. Income is income. They will literally be small business men (and women). Lest I be wrong a CFO in NYC has been indicted on charges of not reporting taxable income on things some consider 'perks.'

I believe that a marathon runner who gets 50K or 100K for winning a major marathon that those monies are considered earnings and taxable.

When I worked, I got a bonus for my work on Y2K. That money was in a check and treated like any other earned income. Likewise, a 'performance bonus' for placing in a marathon is taxable income.

Also if it 'quakes like a duck, looks like a duck, it is a duck.' If college players are de facto pros with pro rights, their scholarships, etc. could be considered taxable by IRS.

As far as SCOTUS is concerned, they can rule on anti-trust, etc. but it DOES NOT preclude the IRS considering those athletes to be pros. Those are completely separate issues.

And again I'll indicate that if a Ph.D. student teaches say undergrad courses that teaching assistant income is considered wages for services performed and is taxable.

Much of American business is very mature. Ford has a collective bargaining relationship with the UAW. The legal issues are all flushed out. This changing landscape in college athletics is completely new. Labor laws have not be flushed out. Tax law has not be flushed out.

I suspect Congress will need to decide the laws like IRS has ruled on similar cases of college students receiving things of value. Much of that is settled tax law. This????

(07-01-2021 08:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  This is from USA Today:

"Jordan Bohannon
The Iowa men's basketball player was one of the prominent players who met with NCAA president Mark Emmert last March on this issue, so it is no surprise that he is being aggressive in his approach to profiting off his NIL. Last week, Bohannon posted mockups of T-shirts he planned to sell. List price is $33."

We could say try the following. NOTE: THIS IS TONGUE IN CHEECK.

If EMU signs a 2-star QB, I'll buy one shirt,
If EMU signs a 3-star QB, I'll buy five shirts,
If EMU signs a 4-star QB, I'll buy 25 shirts,
If EMU signs a 5-star QB, I'll buy 100 shirts (and donate all of them to members of this forum).

Is this what we want?

Not to be outdone by EMU Steve, UofMJoe says, I'll buy 500 shirts from a 5-star QB who signed with UofM. Buckeye_Tom says, I'll match UofMJoe and raise him... (think poker).

I'd like address your points individually.

1.) No one thinks money players make from NIL rights shouldn't be taxable. They will earn income and hopefully pay taxes on that income. If I was EMU I would hire a CPA to help the players get all of that done and stay out of trouble with the IRS. Should scholarships be considered taxable? Probably. But that's what comes with giving the players more rights to negotiate better wages and treatment from management.

2.) Yeah that shadiness for shirts or whatever is going to happen but who cares that's the free market? I'm more concerned with regular old players who have had their trade restricted. Heres a tweet from Marshall O-Line players Will Ulmer - a musician who wasnt allowed to perform paid gigs as himself: https://twitter.com/UlmerWill/status/141...4969390083 .

Players are finally being freed by a bunch of REAL dumb shackles and thats great. Personally - I will book any college player who performs stand up because it'll be a draw (maybe).

Fair enough:

Let me 'guess' what I think will or should happen:

IRS will alert Congress that they will investigate the matter and issue guidance as to TAX matters.

IRS will need to decide on issues like scholarships, R&B, COA, etc. and NIL. IRS could say scholarships, etc. have been and are tax exempt because the players are not workers or employees. (As I indicated above, there will be a grand jury indictment(s) issued this afternoon in NYC regarding fringe benefits not treated as income for employees. If anyone was been in a cave the last couple days, it is Weisselberg as CFO of the Trump organization, to be indicted on providing benefits which are taxable but were not treated as taxable. Just like usage of an automobile would be taxable income for a college coach.)

IRS can then indicate, if they wish, that any athlete who wishes to do NIL is considered a small business just like if I would design a killer T-shirt and sell it.

Congress can pass legislation to... (fill in the blank).

I'm literally shocked, but not surprised, that folks who should know better (e.g., NCAA, state legislators, etc.) have NOT asked for an advisory opinion from the IRS.

And SCOTUS, in effect, said, "Joe Thrower can sell 1,000 shirts if he wants, but issues like taxation of those profits are not relevant to this court case. IRS can issue guidance and Congress may legislate as it see fit to the issue of taxation and professionalization."
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RE: "Money Monday"
(07-01-2021 09:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 09:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 08:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'll weigh in later with an article from USA Today where players are already making plans for $33 shirts.

I will remind DP that pro athletes who made big bucks on autographs, didn't pay taxes on such, etc. were prosecuted for tax evasion. Income is income. They will literally be small business men (and women). Lest I be wrong a CFO in NYC has been indicted on charges of not reporting taxable income on things some consider 'perks.'

I believe that a marathon runner who gets 50K or 100K for winning a major marathon that those monies are considered earnings and taxable.

When I worked, I got a bonus for my work on Y2K. That money was in a check and treated like any other earned income. Likewise, a 'performance bonus' for placing in a marathon is taxable income.

Also if it 'quakes like a duck, looks like a duck, it is a duck.' If college players are de facto pros with pro rights, their scholarships, etc. could be considered taxable by IRS.

As far as SCOTUS is concerned, they can rule on anti-trust, etc. but it DOES NOT preclude the IRS considering those athletes to be pros. Those are completely separate issues.

And again I'll indicate that if a Ph.D. student teaches say undergrad courses that teaching assistant income is considered wages for services performed and is taxable.

Much of American business is very mature. Ford has a collective bargaining relationship with the UAW. The legal issues are all flushed out. This changing landscape in college athletics is completely new. Labor laws have not be flushed out. Tax law has not be flushed out.

I suspect Congress will need to decide the laws like IRS has ruled on similar cases of college students receiving things of value. Much of that is settled tax law. This????

(07-01-2021 08:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  This is from USA Today:

"Jordan Bohannon
The Iowa men's basketball player was one of the prominent players who met with NCAA president Mark Emmert last March on this issue, so it is no surprise that he is being aggressive in his approach to profiting off his NIL. Last week, Bohannon posted mockups of T-shirts he planned to sell. List price is $33."

We could say try the following. NOTE: THIS IS TONGUE IN CHEECK.

If EMU signs a 2-star QB, I'll buy one shirt,
If EMU signs a 3-star QB, I'll buy five shirts,
If EMU signs a 4-star QB, I'll buy 25 shirts,
If EMU signs a 5-star QB, I'll buy 100 shirts (and donate all of them to members of this forum).

Is this what we want?

Not to be outdone by EMU Steve, UofMJoe says, I'll buy 500 shirts from a 5-star QB who signed with UofM. Buckeye_Tom says, I'll match UofMJoe and raise him... (think poker).

I'd like address your points individually.

1.) No one thinks money players make from NIL rights shouldn't be taxable. They will earn income and hopefully pay taxes on that income. If I was EMU I would hire a CPA to help the players get all of that done and stay out of trouble with the IRS. Should scholarships be considered taxable? Probably. But that's what comes with giving the players more rights to negotiate better wages and treatment from management.

2.) Yeah that shadiness for shirts or whatever is going to happen but who cares that's the free market? I'm more concerned with regular old players who have had their trade restricted. Heres a tweet from Marshall O-Line players Will Ulmer - a musician who wasnt allowed to perform paid gigs as himself: https://twitter.com/UlmerWill/status/141...4969390083 .

Players are finally being freed by a bunch of REAL dumb shackles and thats great. Personally - I will book any college player who performs stand up because it'll be a draw (maybe).

Fair enough:

Let me 'guess' what I think will or should happen:

IRS will alert Congress that they will investigate the matter and issue guidance as to TAX matters.

IRS will need to decide on issues like scholarships, R&B, COA, etc. and NIL. IRS could say scholarships, etc. have been and are tax exempt because the players are not workers or employees.

IRS can then indicate, if they wish, that any athlete who wishes to do NIL is considered a small business just like if I would design a killer T-shirt and sell it.

Congress can pass legislation to... (fill in the blank).

The IRS doesnt have any say as to who can 'do NIL'. its a basic right as an american that the NCAA is no longer able to prevent.

There are plenty of resources out there for people who take free lance gigs such in the fields of arts and entertainment and if the university wasnt dumb as hell they'd try to facilitate those resources. NIL rights have nothing to do with if scholarships are taxable or not. What's important now is that if I hosted a podcast and wanted to book an EMU player and pay him or her an appearance fee - they now can accept it. If a player wanted to appear and an actor or performer on the side - they now can. If I wanted to pay a player to promote my bi-weekly show at supernatural brewing in livonia (TONIGHT only $10 doors at 7 showtime is 730) in a tweet or instagram post - athletes can make that deal with me.
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One P.S. to my comments. One of the good things about Heather is that she is a lawyer. Being an AD is much more than hiring coaches and selling tickets. It will now be about the law.
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I wonder how many players will be on Cameo by next week
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One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.
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(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

If a player is in advertisements for a team and isn't compensated additionally for the use of his or hers image - that's being commercially exploited. Pro teams have agreements through the player's association to compensate players for their NIL. Now you can argue that as terms of the scholarship the player signs over those rights to the school - which fine whatever. Players should still be able to independently make money of their NIL rights.
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(07-01-2021 12:01 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

If a player is in advertisements for a team and isn't compensated additionally for the use of his or hers image - that's being commercially exploited. Pro teams have agreements through the player's association to compensate players for their NIL. Now you can argue that as terms of the scholarship the player signs over those rights to the school - which fine whatever. Players should still be able to independently make money of their NIL rights.

Legally it doesn't stand.

The advertisement is for Clemson football. Football is a team sport. Even T&F is a 'team sport' even though it is scored individually.

Clemson FB could put up a manakin but that would be dumb. And on the cover of the program can be any player and typically a different player game to game.
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(07-01-2021 12:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
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(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

If a player is in advertisements for a team and isn't compensated additionally for the use of his or hers image - that's being commercially exploited. Pro teams have agreements through the player's association to compensate players for their NIL. Now you can argue that as terms of the scholarship the player signs over those rights to the school - which fine whatever. Players should still be able to independently make money of their NIL rights.

Legally it doesn't stand.

The advertisement is for Clemson football. Football is a team sport. Even T&F is a 'team sport' even though it is scored individually.

Clemson FB could put up a manakin but that would be dumb. And on the cover of the program can be any player and typically a different player game to game.

It absolutely legally stands. The fact that football and track and basketball and rowing and all of these are 'Team Sports' doesn't negate the fact that the team is marketing specific individuals based on their NIL.

Teams can ABSOLUTELY market without the usage of player directly - maybe use the mascot for example - but when you use a specific person in advertising that person should either have a.) signed those rights away or b.) receive compensation.

This example doesnt have any relevance for the situation today because schools are still barred from paying players. Players can merely make money from private and independent endorsements and sponsorship.
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(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

You must not be a golfer: https://shop.clemsontigers.com/clemson-t...4001969866
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(07-02-2021 07:51 AM)masttg Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

You must not be a golfer: https://shop.clemsontigers.com/clemson-t...4001969866

Well I'm eating crow and wondering why I don't own a Boykins jersey.

I guess I have been living in the EMU/MAC world most of my adult live and not with the big timers.

Was this Trevor Lawrence jersey on sale say 6 or 9 months ago??? OR is this new once he finished up his NCAA eligibility?
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So trying to follow this (best I can):

Clemson can't sell a jersey with "Lawrence" on the back. He is entitled to NIL rights.

Lawrence can't sell a Clemson jersey. It is a Clemson trademark.

So property rights go to Clemson and Lawrence individually.

I should have gone to law school. I want in on the litigation.
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(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

You must not be a golfer: https://shop.clemsontigers.com/clemson-t...4001969866

I went to Fanatics and didn't find it. Nor did I find an OSU Cade Cunningham shirt or a USC Mobley shirt, etc.

A saw a bunch of UofM alums (like Tom Brady).

Are these done AFTER a player has turned pro??? (which is perfectly okay for both sides to agree to a licensing agreement).

I AM opposed to the university doing this if done while the player is still a student and doesn't get compensation.

Once again, I see no problem with a player being on the cover of a media guide or game day program.
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(07-03-2021 06:25 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-02-2021 07:51 AM)masttg Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

You must not be a golfer: https://shop.clemsontigers.com/clemson-t...4001969866

I went to Fanatics and didn't find it. Nor did I find an OSU Cade Cunningham shirt or a USC Mobley shirt, etc.

A saw a bunch of UofM alums (like Tom Brady).

Are these done AFTER a player has turned pro??? (which is perfectly okay for both sides to agree to a licensing agreement).

I AM opposed to the university doing this if done while the player is still a student and doesn't get compensation.

Once again, I see no problem with a player being on the cover of a media guide or game day program.

Forget the media guide. You're the one that brought it up. That would be the school directly paying players - something that still isn't allowed.

CID - are you aware if the school has talked to players about accepting sponsorships at all?
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(07-01-2021 12:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 12:01 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(07-01-2021 11:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One question I have is: NIL. I've never saw Boykins name on an EMU jersey, Batch on an EMU jersey, etc. I haven't seen a college branded item e.g. a Trevor Lawrence branded FB, etc. where Clemson commercially exploited his image. And just because his image is in the media guide, game program doesn't mean he is being commercially exploited.

If a player is in advertisements for a team and isn't compensated additionally for the use of his or hers image - that's being commercially exploited. Pro teams have agreements through the player's association to compensate players for their NIL. Now you can argue that as terms of the scholarship the player signs over those rights to the school - which fine whatever. Players should still be able to independently make money of their NIL rights.

Legally it doesn't stand.

The advertisement is for Clemson football. Football is a team sport. Even T&F is a 'team sport' even though it is scored individually.

Clemson FB could put up a manakin but that would be dumb. And on the cover of the program can be any player and typically a different player game to game.

It absolutely legally stands. The fact that football and track and basketball and rowing and all of these are 'Team Sports' doesn't negate the fact that the team is marketing specific individuals based on their NIL.

Teams can ABSOLUTELY market without the usage of player directly - maybe use the mascot for example - but when you use a specific person in advertising that person should either have a.) signed those rights away or b.) receive compensation.

This example doesnt have any relevance for the situation today because schools are still barred from paying players. Players can merely make money from private and independent endorsements and sponsorship.

Okay, I now get it.

EMU uses banners in Ypsi. Those banners have individual athletes likeness on them. HOWEVER, there is NO effort to monetize those likenesses.

TO ME, the difference is whether the images are used to PUBLICIZE the team OR to monetize them (e.g., put names on the backs of jerseys).

I'm not aware of EMU using likeness to monetize such as autographed footballs, baseballs, etc. Ditto for jerseys, etc.

I have a couple autographed footballs but they were by the FB HC and monies went to charity. (this was done by the coaches association).

BTW, I would GUESS players sign their rights to incidental, not monetary, usage of their likeness. My mug was all over the newspapers 9 years ago (AP did the photo and I was on the front page of dozens of newspapers). I gave them my name and city of residence which I assume was in implicit or explicit agreement to use my likeness.

Seen it in Catholic Churches who live stream Masses. It is a posted notice only.
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