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(06-21-2021 09:48 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  This is DP after today's SCOTUS ruling: 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/21/politics/...%3A37%3A34

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...769539002/

"The case doesn’t decide whether students can be paid salaries. Instead, the ruling will help determine whether schools decide to offer athletes tens of thousands of dollars in education-related benefits for things such as computers, graduate scholarships, tutoring, study abroad and internships."

Not there yet - but the NCAA's power is eroding one court case / law at a time.

Okay, I'll give it two: 02-13-banana 02-13-banana
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(06-21-2021 10:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 09:48 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  This is DP after today's SCOTUS ruling: 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/21/politics/...%3A37%3A34

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...769539002/

"The case doesn’t decide whether students can be paid salaries. Instead, the ruling will help determine whether schools decide to offer athletes tens of thousands of dollars in education-related benefits for things such as computers, graduate scholarships, tutoring, study abroad and internships."

Not there yet - but the NCAA's power is eroding one court case / law at a time.

Okay, I'll give it two: 02-13-banana 02-13-banana

This quote from Cavanaugh just nukes the hell out of the NCAA:
“The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that ‘customers prefer’ to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a ‘love of the law.’ Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a ‘purer’ form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a ‘tradition’ of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a ‘spirit of amateurism’ in Hollywood.”
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You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.
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Western may survive a new model since they have a $50 mil endowment for athletics.
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(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

"win the battle but lose the war" isnt how legal proceedings go. the court was unanimous in their ruling about this. unpaid labor is unpaid labor.

It may but mid majors at a disadvantage - but whats right is right.

now i want to know if big bags of cash are considered school supplies.
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(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).
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(06-21-2021 12:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).

What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I am not the only one.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).

What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).

What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

Really the NCAA are the colleges and universities. How many of them were doing better than breaking even from their athletic programs without non student athletes subsidizing a small minority of student athletes? You want revenue sharing great but eliminate the non athlete student subsidies and charge reasonable costs do maintaining athletic facilities etc. You just look at the revenue side not the expense side. Athletics at EMU isnt generating at break even on its own. Unions did the same thing in the 70s and 80s until the plants closed down.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 12:19 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

"win the battle but lose the war" isnt how legal proceedings go. the court was unanimous in their ruling about this. unpaid labor is unpaid labor.

It may but mid majors at a disadvantage - but whats right is right.

now i want to know if big bags of cash are considered school supplies.

Great Dan so if the mid majors get out of college athletics you are cool with that right? Those bags have plenty of holes in them it's called red ink.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 02:59 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:19 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

"win the battle but lose the war" isnt how legal proceedings go. the court was unanimous in their ruling about this. unpaid labor is unpaid labor.

It may but mid majors at a disadvantage - but whats right is right.

now i want to know if big bags of cash are considered school supplies.

Great Dan so if the mid majors get out of college athletics you are cool with that right? Those bags have plenty of holes in them it's called red ink.

great call - there are only 50 football teams in the country and G5, I-AA, II, and III dont exist.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).

What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:53 AM)emu79 Wrote:  You can win the battle but lose the,war. The 20 to 30 haves can afford the extra costs. Schools in the MAC can not afford a bidding war. Club level sports here we come. In the end the schools that will exit having scholarship sports will result in less opportunities for athletes after high school. The current model I agree was broken but this ruling will result in it being more broken.

Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).

What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.

the NCAA is expanding the playoff to 12 teams. those extra games - the ad revenue, the attendance dollars, the sponsorship - all that money goes into a large pit right?

stop asking about individual schools and think about the corrupt system top to bottom. its a cartel.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 03:36 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).

What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.

the NCAA is expanding the playoff to 12 teams. those extra games - the ad revenue, the attendance dollars, the sponsorship - all that money goes into a large whole right?

stop asking about individual schools and think about the corrupt system top to bottom. its a cartel.

Two points:

1). This CFP system is in the early stage of discussion. Hopefully it happens in 2026.

2). Remember, we might be talking about spreading the money around to what 130+ FBS schools. MOST of the money goes to P5 schools as most (maybe 10 or 11) of the schools will be theirs.

So the MAC, AAC, etc. may share say 8.5% of the pot (1/12 of the total sharable pot). If the G5 can get 2 teams, then it could be 17% (2/12's is the math).

What's worse: Say 1 G5 team makes it and they represent say 60 schools. Their payout has to be divided 60 ways (if done equally). Might be lucky to get 1M per school.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 03:45 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:36 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.

the NCAA is expanding the playoff to 12 teams. those extra games - the ad revenue, the attendance dollars, the sponsorship - all that money goes into a large whole right?

stop asking about individual schools and think about the corrupt system top to bottom. its a cartel.

Two points:

1). This CFP system is in the early stage of discussion. Hopefully it happens in 2026.

2). Remember, we might be talking about spreading the money around to what 130+ FBS schools. MOST of the money goes to P5 schools as most (maybe 10 or 11) of the schools will be theirs.

So the MAC, AAC, etc. may share say 8.5% of the pot (1/12 of the total sharable pot). If the G5 can get 2 teams, then it could be 17% (2/12's is the math).

What's worse: Say 1 G5 team makes it and they represent say 60 schools. Their payout has to be divided 60 ways (if done equally). Might be lucky to get 1M per school.

G5 and P5 are going to split.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 03:36 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Agree. I haven't read a good write up yet, but anything which substantially adds to intercollegiate sports costs will result in more schools dropping sports, esp. football.

Here is a definition which is close: "reduce the extent of (something) by removing superfluous or unwanted parts." Something dies because of lack of water and nutrients (e.g., a plant).

Since this is the "Money Monday" thread (and today is Monday), universities would need to find additional revenue sources. Maybe an extended CFP could add say 1 - 2M per FBS school.

It is possible that both revenues and expenditures will continue to rise. FCS schools might get hurt the most because they don't share in CFP monies (think I'm right on that. They do share in the NCAA March Madness monies, though).

What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.

the NCAA is expanding the playoff to 12 teams. those extra games - the ad revenue, the attendance dollars, the sponsorship - all that money goes into a large pit right?

stop asking about individual schools and think about the corrupt system top to bottom. its a cartel.

The NCAA is made up of individual schools. Why is that so hard for you to see that? And I object that you lump the EMUs of the world as part of your corrupt system. Real athletes will see their opportunities in college sports possibly decrease which means the cure is worse than the disease that you rant about. Reform the entire system so it works for everybody. And stop having non athlete students subsidize it.
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(06-21-2021 04:16 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
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(06-21-2021 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
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(06-21-2021 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  What is needed is a system where student athletes earn more compensation college offering scholarship athletics can at least break even doing so and there's a level playing field as much as there can between the haves and have nots this is where I quote Lennon you may call me,a dreamer but I'Mont the only one.

the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.

the NCAA is expanding the playoff to 12 teams. those extra games - the ad revenue, the attendance dollars, the sponsorship - all that money goes into a large pit right?

stop asking about individual schools and think about the corrupt system top to bottom. its a cartel.

The NCAA is made up of individual schools. Why is that so hard for you to see that? And I object that you lump the EMUs of the world as part of your corrupt system. Real athletes will see their opportunities in college sports possibly decrease which means the cure is worse than the disease that you rant about. Reform the entire system so it works for everybody. And stop having non athlete students subsidize it.

Yeah and McDonalds is just a bunch of restaurants.

Should all parts of a school be self-sufficient? Should they fold the theater because it isnt self sufficient? Thats a clown argument bro.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 04:26 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 04:16 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:36 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.

the NCAA is expanding the playoff to 12 teams. those extra games - the ad revenue, the attendance dollars, the sponsorship - all that money goes into a large pit right?

stop asking about individual schools and think about the corrupt system top to bottom. its a cartel.

The NCAA is made up of individual schools. Why is that so hard for you to see that? And I object that you lump the EMUs of the world as part of your corrupt system. Real athletes will see their opportunities in college sports possibly decrease which means the cure is worse than the disease that you rant about. Reform the entire system so it works for everybody. And stop having non athlete students subsidize it.

Yeah and McDonalds is just a bunch of restaurants.

Should all parts of a school be self-sufficient? Should they fold the theater because it isnt self sufficient? Thats a clown argument bro.

I have made the argument a number of times that virtually no part of a university is self-supporting from tuition and fees.

Individual departments which thrive do it from outside sources of income.

Universities are no different than any other type of firm in the U.S. There might be 100 firms in an industrial sector and they all vary in their profitably. Microsoft may make money hand over fist but for every Microsoft there might be X number who are struggling to be profitable. Microsoft might have revenues say 1K times of another software company.

College athletics is no different. We have the UofMs, OSU, etc. and we have MAC schools. Maybe UofM's revenues ar 15 or 20 times ours.

One doesn't need to be a CPA to realize B1G TV revenues might be 25 times that of the MAC. I don't want to embarrass EMU by comparing UofM's ticket revenues vs. ours.
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RE: "Money Monday"
(06-21-2021 04:26 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 04:16 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:36 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:58 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  the NCAA can find the money to pay players - it just doesnt want to.

If you can find more athletic monies at EMU. I suggest you email or better yet call Dr. James Smith. He'll be 'all ears."

I watched a presentation sometime ago Dr. Smith made to faculty and staff, "like we got no money..." "We need to reduce faculty and staff."

NO one would say EMU is ''sandbagging' and is sitting on money.

EMU students and the university as a whole are making big contributions to athletics.

The best EMU and other G5 schools can hope is that new revenue sources open up. I mentioned the CFP. My hope is that if a MAC team makes it one year maybe it opens up say another 10, 20 or more million bucks for the MAC to be spread among the other 11 teams.

the NCAA is expanding the playoff to 12 teams. those extra games - the ad revenue, the attendance dollars, the sponsorship - all that money goes into a large pit right?

stop asking about individual schools and think about the corrupt system top to bottom. its a cartel.

The NCAA is made up of individual schools. Why is that so hard for you to see that? And I object that you lump the EMUs of the world as part of your corrupt system. Real athletes will see their opportunities in college sports possibly decrease which means the cure is worse than the disease that you rant about. Reform the entire system so it works for everybody. And stop having non athlete students subsidize it.

Yeah and McDonalds is just a bunch of restaurants.

Should all parts of a school be self-sufficient? Should they fold the theater because it isnt self sufficient? Thats a clown argument bro.

Dan its not a clown argument Komrade, its called reality and if you don't believe it try it with your own personal budget. By the way during the pandemic many movie chain and individual parts of the chain closed shop ditto restaurants. Why because the individual locations weren't self sufficient and that made the chain bankrupt. By the way sports college or otherwise is a business and needs to be run like one. Colleges are in the education business not the sports business Dan. If the sports interferes with the overall mission then eliminate or downgrade it so it doesn't interfere with the main mission which is to educate not entertain. Frankly we should be switching over to all on line classes and cutting the cost of education. Let those with more $$$ pay for the experience if that is their choice. How's that for a corrupt system?
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ah those "bags of cash"... we should be asking who makes up the deficits at the rest of these schools. Answer: Their fellow non sports playing students who pay a fee. So now those sports playing students should get more $$$$ for playing sports and the non sports students should pay higher fees out of their pockets?

https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/do-col...asketball.

https://www.mlive.com/news/page/michigan...bsidi.html
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