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Which is more likely before 2030 - a WAC FBS or some other "G6" FB conference?
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With at least 4 FBS independents that might benefit from joining a football-only or hybrid conference constructed like the original Big East, and at least 5 or 6 FCS schools that are thought to be likely to become FBS schools in the years ahead, it may not be long before some discussions will begin to take place about scheduling alliances that could evolve into a new "G6" FBS conference by 2030 or thereabouts.

Two current conferences - - the WAC and ASUN have been mentioned by the online media as possible FBS conferences, which might include some FB-only members.

Another possibility might be a national "G6" FB-only conference with a footprint spanning multiple time zones.

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Current FBS teams that might consider joining or affiliating a "G6" FB conference:

UMass, UConn, Liberty (ASUN BB/oly member), NMSU (and possibly Army as an affiliate, like ND)

Some of the current FCS schools that have been mentioned as potential future FBS schools by various media outlets include

North Dakota State, James Madison, Jacksonville St., Florida A&M, Southern Illinois, Youngstown State, Sam Houston St., U. Texas - Arlington, Delaware, Villanova, North Carolina A&T, Montana, Montana St., South Dakota St., Weber St., Illinois St., UT-Chattanooga, EWU, EKU, UC-Davis, and Kennesaw State.

NOTE: Future ASUN FB school Jacksonville State has announced a FB scheduling affiliation with the WAC until the ASUN begins to compete in football.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2018/08/29/transitioning-from-fcs-to-fbs-part-2-potential-teams/

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2018/08/29...ial-teams/

https://www.csnbbs.com/post-16854164.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/BigSouth/commen...lready_in/
https://herosports.com/power-five-split-...rger-ahah/



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Leaving the WAC FB schools to one side for a moment, for the sake of discussion:

If enough schools wanted to form a new FBS conference, and to do it quickly, it might look something like this:

West Division:............East Division:

North Dakota St..........UMass
Southern Illinois..........UConn
UT Chattanooga...........Liberty
Eastern Kentucky........James Madison
Youngstown St............Florida A&M


However, the travel distances for such a conference might be prohibitive, particularly for the FCS to FBS schools, which would find it a challenge to make the jump even if the schools were in their own regions.

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Conferences such as the ASUN or WAC, which might consider making the FCS to FBS transition would have the advantage of not having to start up an entirely new conference, but the idea of having a conference with a mixture of FCS and FBS schools could present challenges of its own.

In the case of the ASUN, which won't become a FB conference for a couple of years,

What would an ASUN Football Conference look like?

It might look something like this by 2030:

North Division:......................South Division:

UMass (FB-only)................Liberty (Full ASUN member)
UConn (FB-only)................Kennesaw St. (Full ASUN member)
EKU (ASUN member).........Jacksonville St. (ASUN member)
Youngstown St (FB-only).....Florida A&M (FB-only)
James Madison (FB-only).....Central Arkansas St (ASUN member)
S Illinois (FB-only)..............UT-Chattanooga (FB-only) (?)

NOTE: Presumably, all or most of the FCS schools would make the transition to FBS by 2030, though this might be a challenge.

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I'm not in the loop here, but wonder what are the thoughts of the people on this board are about any schools that might be most likely to join those listed below in a WAC football conference that has apirations to become a FBS conference at some point in the future.

Current and future WAC teams listed at wikipedia:

New Mexico State (current FBS independent and WAC BB/oly member)
Tarleton St. (Current WAC member)
Dixie State (Current WAC member)
UTRGV (Current WAC member; plans to add FB in 2024)
Sam Houston St (future WAC member)
Abilene Christian (future WAC member)
Lamar University (future WAC member)
Stephen F. Austin St (future WAC member)
Southern Utah (future WAC member)

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Here are some western teams* that might consider making the jump and becoming FB-only members in a future WAC FBS conference

North Dakota State, Eastern Washington, Portland State, Montana, Montana St., South Dakota St., Weber St., & UC-Davis.

*many of these teams are cited here: https://herosports.com/power-five-split-...rger-ahah/
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Presumably, New Mexico State would continue to play as a FBS independent which might play one or two games per season vs. WAC football teams for the next several seasons.

Sam Houston State may be the first to make the jump to FBS, but they might have to wait until there are a few more FBS teams in the conference.

Maybe, in an early phase, the WAC FBS conference teams might play a mixture of FBS and FCS games and look something like this:

NMSU (full WAC member)
Sam Houston St (full WAC member)
North Dakota St. (FB-only) (?)


Being an outsider, there's a lot that I don't know about the WAC's situation, but perhaps they could have enough FBS teams to hold a FBS championship game by 2030.

Just tossing it out there for discussion.04-cheers

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RE: Which is more likely before 2030 - a WAC FBS or some other "G6" FB conference?
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RE: Which is more likely before 2030 - a WAC FBS or some other "G6" FB conference?
UTA isnt FCS. If they want to be FBS all they need to do is start football and boom, they're full fledged Sun Belt members
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RE: Which is more likely before 2030 - a WAC FBS or some other "G6" FB conference?
Also check out Sam Houstons facilities and attendance. The natty is great but doesnt mean anything with regards to moving up. They've got a ways to go if they wanna be FBS.
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RE: Which is more likely before 2030 - a WAC FBS or some other "G6" FB conference?
I honestly don’t feel the need to add anything but constantly reiterate that the WAC schools need to follow through with the commitment to study FBS and be transparent with what they learned.

And to any TXST people, I told you guys years ago that UTSA would pass you up in short order. I was correct then (despite all the crap I got from Bobcat fans back then) and quite frankly if Sam went FBS anytime soon - they too would pass up the folks in San Marcos. It wouldn’t take much and SFA probably would too.
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(05-22-2021 06:49 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  I honestly don’t feel the need to add anything but constantly reiterate that the WAC schools need to follow through with the commitment to study FBS and be transparent with what they learned.
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And to any TXST people, I told you guys years ago that UTSA would pass you up in short order. I was correct then (despite all the crap I got from Bobcat fans back then) and quite frankly if Sam went FBS anytime soon - they too would pass up the folks in San Marcos. It wouldn’t take much and SFA probably would too.

I have to respectfully disagree with you about SFA. They are in a remote town in the East Texas woods as a stand alone University. Not great access to funding usually get the scraps from the state after the big boys are taken care of. It’s the reason Tarleton has passed them up and most likely double them in enrollment in the next 10 years if things don’t change. I have been hearing from SFA alums that they are getting closer to joining the TAMU system. If that happens then I could see a scenario where SFA has the resources to actually take off. Until that happens it’s going to be a slow walk uphill.
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(05-22-2021 07:06 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I have to respectfully disagree with you about SFA. They are in a remote town in the East Texas woods as a stand alone University. Not great access to funding usually get the scraps from the state after the big boys are taken care of. It’s the reason Tarleton has passed them up and most likely double them in enrollment in the next 10 years if things don’t change. I have been hearing from SFA alums that they are getting closer to joining the TAMU system. If that happens then I could see a scenario where SFA has the resources to actually take off. Until that happens it’s going to be a slow walk uphill.

TheRev can probably chime in more but I believe their university leadership is aligned properly for the first time in some while with a proper vision for the future.

Their fans support their programs with butts in the seats and contributions in a way that Sam Houston is envious of (don’t let anyone tell you differently) and if SFA wins, they can really draw. Is Carthel the guy can do it? Not sure. He does get folks in a frenzy and talking about his program. That’s for sure!
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Ironically the only one of the Texas schools that meet the minimum stadium size is Lamar. But to meet the average attendance number they would need to be sold out almost every game. I know Sam is planning to expand their stadium and I believe SFA might be also, but are they going to say a target of 20,000 seats? Last time I looked, the minimum stadium capacity was either 15 or 16K with an average attendance of 15k. To expand any of these stadiums is going to take some large donors and since most of them are in the Texas State system I wouldn't think the system could afford to expand all of them.
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The WAC apparently is the only conference that because they were FBS before they stopped sponsoring football doesn't need an approval of some kind from the other FBS conferences to form a new FBS conference.
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RE: Which is more likely before 2030 - a WAC FBS or some other "G6" FB conference?
There’s a finite amount of broadcast money, the P5 are working to secure more of it, and if you’re watching the travails that, over time, oscillate between the Big 12 and the Pac 12, the P5 is a bit more likely to become the P4 than the P6.

Even the inferred merger is problematic (think California disassociation from Texas), and these things tend to unfold at a glacial pace. So money laid down and breath-holding exercises will be laughed at.
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(05-22-2021 09:34 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  The WAC apparently is the only conference that because they were FBS before they stopped sponsoring football doesn't need an approval of some kind from the other FBS conferences to form a new FBS conference.

Ding, ding, ding! The WAC could start up an FBS conference tomorrow because they hold an FBS charter. No other entity can do that.
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(05-23-2021 08:38 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-22-2021 09:34 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  The WAC apparently is the only conference that because they were FBS before they stopped sponsoring football doesn't need an approval of some kind from the other FBS conferences to form a new FBS conference.

Ding, ding, ding! The WAC could start up an FBS conference tomorrow because they hold an FBS charter. No other entity can do that.

Where does it say they would be included in any College Football Playoff money though?
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(05-22-2021 06:49 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  I honestly don’t feel the need to add anything but constantly reiterate that the WAC schools need to follow through with the commitment to study FBS and be transparent with what they learned.

And to any TXST people, I told you guys years ago that UTSA would pass you up in short order. I was correct then (despite all the crap I got from Bobcat fans back then) and quite frankly if Sam went FBS anytime soon - they too would pass up the folks in San Marcos. It wouldn’t take much and SFA probably would too.

Congrats on the natty!

As for UTSA they might be a slight notch above us as far as football success goes but we're better at just about everything else including facilities. I think we're both in bgood place thoughs, but I doubt any Bobcat fans would want to trade places with them. Not that it really matters but ESPNs preseason FPI has us rated higher than them.

I know things are different down in Hunstville now but yall never passed us when we were still FCS. I dont think it would happen if yall moved up. Same for SFA. I guess yall just need to move up so we can see! Which brings me to ask why havent yall moved up already?
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(05-23-2021 09:04 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(05-23-2021 08:38 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-22-2021 09:34 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  The WAC apparently is the only conference that because they were FBS before they stopped sponsoring football doesn't need an approval of some kind from the other FBS conferences to form a new FBS conference.

Ding, ding, ding! The WAC could start up an FBS conference tomorrow because they hold an FBS charter. No other entity can do that.

Where does it say they would be included in any College Football Playoff money though?

Antitrust law. Including all but the newest FBS conference is *textbook* anticompetitive behavior.
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(05-22-2021 04:32 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Also check out Sam Houstons facilities and attendance. The natty is great but doesnt mean anything with regards to moving up. They've got a ways to go if they wanna be FBS.

Also go check out Texas States FBS record. They care more about pretty facilities than a winning product on the field. Makes sense when you see how soft there program plays. They will always be irrelevant in athletics.
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RE: Which is more likely before 2030 - a WAC FBS or some other "G6" FB conference?
Even mighty North Dakota State would require a significant boost in facilities. For an FCS school they have a great facility in the Fargo Dome, but how much would it cost to renovate or replace that facility with one large enough to meet the seating requirement.
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(05-23-2021 03:44 PM)StroKat Wrote:  
(05-22-2021 04:32 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Also check out Sam Houstons facilities and attendance. The natty is great but doesnt mean anything with regards to moving up. They've got a ways to go if they wanna be FBS.

Also go check out Texas States FBS record. They care more about pretty facilities than a winning product on the field. Makes sense when you see how soft there program plays. They will always be irrelevant in athletics.

Yea the numbers dont look great recordwise but I think we're gonna be pretty salty come fall, as a lot of teams saw last year, we just gotta learn to finish.... we'll get there one day! All it takes is one great season for everyone to forget about years of mediocrity. It is nice knowing we have some pretty facilities though.

Also cmon man don't get so defensive. Yall just won a natty!
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(05-23-2021 09:04 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(05-23-2021 08:38 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-22-2021 09:34 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  The WAC apparently is the only conference that because they were FBS before they stopped sponsoring football doesn't need an approval of some kind from the other FBS conferences to form a new FBS conference.

Ding, ding, ding! The WAC could start up an FBS conference tomorrow because they hold an FBS charter. No other entity can do that.

Where does it say they would be included in any College Football Playoff money though?

Please point out where in my post or the post of FirstandGoal where we talked about any College Football Playoff money?
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(05-22-2021 03:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  C. None

This. Although I'm more entertained at how there is already talk of the TX SLC defectors talking about FBS without even playing a down of WAC FCS FB.
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(05-24-2021 10:49 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(05-22-2021 03:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  C. None

This. Although I'm more entertained at how there is already talk of the TX SLC defectors talking about FBS without even playing a down of WAC FCS FB.

It is entertaining that the WAC announcement about the 5 new teams came with the stipulation that all the FCS schools would explore FBS? People can laugh at anything they want, I guess. But facts are facts. That's what happened. I don't know why folks can't accept that.
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