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(05-21-2021 08:19 AM)huskies77 Wrote:  Name an NIU Bball coach with a better record than Montgomery. Molinary hardly counts I just heard year was so short and he won with another coaches players. I will hang up and listen for your answer.

Not sure why Molinari (correct spelling) doesn't count [42-17, .712, 2 seasons], but based on win percentage it's still easy.
Monty was 124-170 over 10 seasons for a .421 win percentage.
Tom Jorgensen was 95-71 (.512) over 7 seasons
John McDougal was 136-141 (.491) over 10 seasons
Brian Hammel was 117-138 (.459) over 10 seasons
Heck, Rob Judson was 74-101 (.423) over 6 seasons

Monty's best season was 2015-16 with a 21-13 record thanks to arguably the single worst schedule in NIU men's basketball history. Despite NIU literally and figuratively buying a post-season loss in the bogus Vegas 16 tourney, Monty's boys were 9-9 in the MAC. Since even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut, Monty managed one year with an above-.500 MAC record (11-7 in 2019-20). However, he departed with a 63-98 (.391) ledger in a one-bid league that has dropped in conference stature.
Can you guess which coach has the most losses in NIU men's basketball history? I'll hang up and wait for your answer.
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My post was in response to someone calling the Montgomery tenure “abysmal.” This is defined as unfathomable, immeasurable, incalculable, etc. In comparing Monty to past NIU coaches, this is hardly true. Actually, if you scan the 121-year history of NIU basketball there have only been 5 or 6 coaches out of about 25 total coaches who served over 3 years, with better records. Only 5 have career marks over .500 and none followed a disaster like the Patton years. Truth be told, there are no real “glory days” of NIU basketball albeit many fun teams to watch.
Insofar as why not count Mo, he was here only 2 years—caught lightning in a bottle with Rosborough’s recruits and caught the first bus outta town leaving Hammel with a mediocre group. He was a helluva coach, but for all his success, his last year at Bradley, Minnesota and Western Illinois he won 9, 7, and 10 games respectively. It is extremely difficult to sustain success at the mid major level.
You and others want to downplay Monty having a 21 win season (only Coach JM won more in a year) cuz more games were played than before. Yet you want to make hay over his losing more than others career wise…kind of hypocritical, no? In fact, his winning 17, 18, and 21 games in a single year are highwater marks for Northern basketball for wins in a season.
What is with you anal retentive types on message boards? Do you really think I can’t spell Molinari? Does it really matter? What does the correct spelling add to the conversation? Did you know whom I was talking about? Did you ever try to quickly get out a post and autocorrect kicks in? Do you really have so little to opine about that you need to try to feel superior because you “caught” a typo?
Now scurry off so you can criticize and nit-pick a few details of my post but be consistent and don’t add anything significant to this discourse.
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What’s exciting is his ability to put together a class like that, at a program like ours, with little time. Can’t wait to see these guys ball and develop!
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(05-21-2021 09:59 AM)huskies77 Wrote:  My post was in response to someone calling the Montgomery tenure “abysmal.” This is defined as unfathomable, immeasurable, incalculable, etc. In comparing Monty to past NIU coaches, this is hardly true. Actually, if you scan the 121-year history of NIU basketball there have only been 5 or 6 coaches out of about 25 total coaches who served over 3 years, with better records. Only 5 have career marks over .500 and none followed a disaster like the Patton years. Truth be told, there are no real “glory days” of NIU basketball albeit many fun teams to watch.
Insofar as why not count Mo, he was here only 2 years—caught lightning in a bottle with Rosborough’s recruits and caught the first bus outta town leaving Hammel with a mediocre group. He was a helluva coach, but for all his success, his last year at Bradley, Minnesota and Western Illinois he won 9, 7, and 10 games respectively. It is extremely difficult to sustain success at the mid major level.
You and others want to downplay Monty having a 21 win season (only Coach JM won more in a year) cuz more games were played than before. Yet you want to make hay over his losing more than others career wise…kind of hypocritical, no? In fact, his winning 17, 18, and 21 games in a single year are highwater marks for Northern basketball for wins in a season.
What is with you anal retentive types on message boards? Do you really think I can’t spell Molinari? Does it really matter? What does the correct spelling add to the conversation? Did you know whom I was talking about? Did you ever try to quickly get out a post and autocorrect kicks in? Do you really have so little to opine about that you need to try to feel superior because you “caught” a typo?
Now scurry off so you can criticize and nit-pick a few details of my post but be consistent and don’t add anything significant to this discourse.

Great post. Thank you for summing up Mr. Perfect's reply.


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(05-20-2021 09:47 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(05-20-2021 05:35 PM)dc1 Wrote:  StevinNiu, that’s not true at all. Monty got AbdelbNader who was one of the top players in Illinois, Marshawn Wilson was a top player from Minnesota, Dontel Highsmith coming out of Michigan was a top player in that state. Eugene German as a junior and senior led the state of Indiana in scoring. Jaylen Key pretty highly rated out of Wisconsin

Obviously the jury is still out on Burno, however, the talent Monty got either a) proved to be not so talented, b) left, or c) could not be used by Monty. That's why his record was so abysmal and if not for STF's unwarranted and insane contract extensions, should have ended years earlier.
I think with Monty it was a combination of bad luck, bad timing, bad decisions, bad mesh with today's young players AND recruiting guys that needed to grow. Not one guy was close to ready to step in-- yet they were sent out on the floor. He should maybe have eaten a lot of losses some years and let his guys bulk up and grow. Our guys, IMHO, generally looked like stick figures out on the floor playing against real humans. Now that I think of it though, I think they continued to look like stick figures. Something was very wrong with that.
Hopefully Burno recruited guys who will be willing and able to put on some muscle because they ain't in HS anymore. I suspect that will not be a problem.
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huskies77 You use a dictionary definition of a word as proof and that can't be considered nit-picking because a summary of Monty's tenure falls short of those words? It was year after year after year of the same results, excuses, and evidence the program was going nowhere under him.
For those fortunate to see Jorgy's teams beat Indiana among others they may define "glory days" differently. When the worst attended games at Evans Field House exceed the best attended games in the Convo and McDougal was resurrecting the program, there were a few "glory days" and many Evans faithful might say Kenny Battle's short tenure yielded some more, and the same can be said for Hammel's NCAA year.
Actually I don't disagree with anything you said about Molinari using Rosborough's talent or the difficulty to sustain success as a mid-major. However, his last season record at three other places could be argued to be no different than what happened with Monty.
Speaking of being hypocritical, you point to Monty's three best years as "highwater marks" while choosing to ignore his lack of success (63-98 / .391) in the MAC. And not only were more games played in those years, but they were played against far weaker (Eureka, Indiana Northwest, Roosevelt, Judson) opposition helping to account for those totals. So, yes, many folks downplay those years as being flukes in his overall tenure.
Sorry that your schedule doesn't allow enough time to "preview post" and spot an auto-correct, but for the record, I don't feel superior "catching" a typo. By the way, simply saying it was a typo due to auto-correct would be far less anal retentive than the need to ask six consecutive questions.
Forgive those of us who are glad Monty's unnecessarily extended tenure finally ended and we find Burno's initial efforts to merit some optimism. However, continue your Monty admiration even if it doesn't add anything significant to the discourse in a thread entitled 2021 MBB Signing Class.
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(05-21-2021 07:58 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(05-20-2021 08:18 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  Anyone care to venture a guess at the starting 5?

I look at all these names, and the roster, and it seems like it could be any one of a few combinations

I'll take a stab at it.

Let's just put it this way, if it's not this lineup (and there are no injuries) I'd be really surprised:

G - Trendon Hankerson
G - Darweshi Hunter
G - Keshawn Williams
F - Martice Mitchell
C - Chris Osten

I could see a platoon between Zool Kueth and Mitchell in the 4 spot depending on the opponent and what they want to emphasize. Kaleb Thornton is also probably the first guard off the bench.

As for the freshman, who knows. Obviously Kon is really talented and looks like he may really be something but a lot with freshman depends on a lot of factors regarding how quickly they get into the lineup.

Looks right to me - was curious if Bruno would roll out Osten and Mitchell. Honestly a really good starting 5 - who should at least play a lot of fun basketball.
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(05-21-2021 01:05 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(05-21-2021 07:58 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(05-20-2021 08:18 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  Anyone care to venture a guess at the starting 5?

I look at all these names, and the roster, and it seems like it could be any one of a few combinations

I'll take a stab at it.

Let's just put it this way, if it's not this lineup (and there are no injuries) I'd be really surprised:

G - Trendon Hankerson
G - Darweshi Hunter
G - Keshawn Williams
F - Martice Mitchell
C - Chris Osten

I could see a platoon between Zool Kueth and Mitchell in the 4 spot depending on the opponent and what they want to emphasize. Kaleb Thornton is also probably the first guard off the bench.

As for the freshman, who knows. Obviously Kon is really talented and looks like he may really be something but a lot with freshman depends on a lot of factors regarding how quickly they get into the lineup.

Looks right to me - was curious if Bruno would roll out Osten and Mitchell. Honestly a really good starting 5 - who should at least play a lot of fun basketball.

That would be a very nice line- up. And not to repeat myself, but I like that the transfers seen PT from Div. 1 programs. They will not have the "deer in the headlights" look like the transfers from the past that came from Judo or Div. 3.
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(05-21-2021 01:05 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(05-21-2021 07:58 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(05-20-2021 08:18 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  Anyone care to venture a guess at the starting 5?

I look at all these names, and the roster, and it seems like it could be any one of a few combinations

I'll take a stab at it.

Let's just put it this way, if it's not this lineup (and there are no injuries) I'd be really surprised:

G - Trendon Hankerson
G - Darweshi Hunter
G - Keshawn Williams
F - Martice Mitchell
C - Chris Osten

I could see a platoon between Zool Kueth and Mitchell in the 4 spot depending on the opponent and what they want to emphasize. Kaleb Thornton is also probably the first guard off the bench.

As for the freshman, who knows. Obviously Kon is really talented and looks like he may really be something but a lot with freshman depends on a lot of factors regarding how quickly they get into the lineup.

Looks right to me - was curious if Bruno would roll out Osten and Mitchell. Honestly a really good starting 5 - who should at least play a lot of fun basketball.

Seems to me with having both Okanu and Makuoi in reserve gives Burno the luxury of starting both Osten and Mitchell if he wants to. And, those two could be a real issue for opposing teams. And while Okanu and Makuoi aren't all that good, they're big and strong and Okanu (especially) plays with a high motor so you don't really get to relax if either of the starters comes out.

Anyway, like I said, I could see Kueth starting as well especially if he has a good pre-season practice routine and is hitting shots. And it's not like he isn't tall and long. So, they don't give up a ton of height (strength yes...) with him in as opposed to Mitchell.

I do wonder what Burno will do with Crump. Personally, I found him to be an enigma. The dude is not a D-1 basketball player yet he played ALL THE TIME and started most of the time. Granted, he was like one of the only guys who never got hurt or sick, so...he maybe had an advantage on the others. But even when Chapman took over, Crump still started. I don't get it.

I'm hoping Burno doesn't fall into this same trap with the intoxicating allure of a 6'8" guard who can't shoot or dribble. I'm not even all that comfortable with him coming off the bench. He's almost too confident for my liking.

Anyway, I'm not sure how much guard depth we'll have this year. We had a ton last year and very little in the post but that seems to have flipped this year. Especially with (6'8") freshman Montavious Myrik. But, you never know with freshmen.

Right now, it looks like the bench guards are (or will probably be) Thompson, Crump (to his credit, he played inside a lot last year due to depth chart issues) who are returning and then Zion Russell and Noah Kon who are both freshmen. Oh, and Kamron Battle who isn't really much of an option, but he's better than the typical last man on the bench/walk-on most teams have (I think).

So, not super deep at guard and quite deep in the post.

Also...I'm not sure if Chris Johnson is coming back or not. He should have a year of eligibility, if for no other reason than getting a medical redshirt (I'm guessing that's why he didn't play at all last year but as far as I know he was abducted by aliens) but also because of the extra year of eligibility. Not that I really care if he plays on the team but he's yet another post guy who is big and strong and plays with a high motor.

So, with Johnson or without, there's a ton of depth in the post.
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(05-20-2021 05:35 PM)dc1 Wrote:  StevinNiu, that’s not true at all. Monty got AbdelbNader who was one of the top players in Illinois, Marshawn Wilson was a top player from Minnesota, Dontel Highsmith coming out of Michigan was a top player in that state. Eugene German as a junior and senior led the state of Indiana in scoring. Jaylen Key pretty highly rated out of Wisconsin

Thank you for your response. I was just using a little bit of hyperbole. If I was better at using emoji's, I would have added one.
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Looks like we’ve added another one! Class of 2021 according to verbal commits.

https://twitter.com/gc3arizonapreps/stat...89280?s=21
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(05-22-2021 10:52 PM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  Looks like we’ve added another one! Class of 2021 according to verbal commits.

https://twitter.com/gc3arizonapreps/stat...89280?s=21

I can’t wait to see this Basketball product on the floor.
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It will be interesting to see how well Burno recruits for next year. This year he had the greatest selling point, playing time. If everyone stays after next year (highly unlikely in today's environment) there would not be many spaces available, especially starters.
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(05-23-2021 03:02 PM)StevenNIU Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how well Burno recruits for next year. This year he had the greatest selling point, playing time. If everyone stays after next year (highly unlikely in today's environment) there would not be many spaces available, especially starters.

I honestly have no clue how many scholarships will be available with the new added year of eligibility for every player. I thought I heard the extra year wouldn't count against the scholarship limit but I'm not certain.

As it stands, I think he'll have 3 or 4 (barring any transfers which i think are bound to happen) to add the next year.
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(05-23-2021 09:12 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  
(05-22-2021 10:52 PM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  Looks like we’ve added another one! Class of 2021 according to verbal commits.

https://twitter.com/gc3arizonapreps/stat...89280?s=21

I can’t wait to see this Basketball product on the floor.

Excited to see this group play. Football as well. Maybe they can both go through a hot steak at the same time, would be nice.
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(05-22-2021 10:52 PM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  Looks like we’ve added another one! Class of 2021 according to verbal commits.

https://twitter.com/gc3arizonapreps/stat...89280?s=21

That guy looks small - but it’s college hoops you don’t have to be giant to be a guard.

Plus it never hurts to have as many shooters as you can.

This team is going to be wild - I have no real expectations of them, and like Hammock I will give Burno time to show what he’s got, but also like Hammock the players he is bringing in have me excited for the future.
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(05-24-2021 06:57 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(05-22-2021 10:52 PM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  Looks like we’ve added another one! Class of 2021 according to verbal commits.

https://twitter.com/gc3arizonapreps/stat...89280?s=21

That guy looks small - but it’s college hoops you don’t have to be giant to be a guard.

Plus it never hurts to have as many shooters as you can.

This team is going to be wild - I have no real expectations of them, and like Hammock I will give Burno time to show what he’s got, but also like Hammock the players he is bringing in have me excited for the future.

You can never have too many shooters. We haven’t had a team that shoots 3’s well in a long time. If he can provide that I will be happy. We need more that one player that can score. He’s a catch an shoot kind of player. Models his game after Trae young. Had offers from Wake Forest, University of Houston, UIC. We will see.
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Had offers from Wake Forest, University of Houston, UIC. We will see.
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early HS offers from those guys who stopped recruiting him. never grew throughout HS and the offers dried up. good shooter, if he was 6-2 he'd have a long list of options.
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