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RE: So, What Exactly Would It Take To Make The ACC Competitive In Revenue?
(06-03-2021 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-02-2021 10:10 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-02-2021 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  A few assumptions must be made.

1. Notre Dame will remain an independent. Unless otherwise announced, the Irish are not willing to join a conference and will not be part of this exercise.
2. PAC schools are not available. Geographically, there is no reason to consider these schools.
3. SEC and B1G schools are not available. Financially, there's no reason for a school from either of these conferences to consider leaving.
4. Non-power schools are not considered. Data does not support "promoting" a school into the power ranks.

It is important for the "new ACC" to not only have an overall value close to that of the SEC and B1G but also a "per school average" to be as close as possible.

For Reference:
SEC Value: $7,491,918,011 ($535,137,001 per school average)
B1G Value: $5,389,814,258 ($384,986,733 per school average)
* Valuations used are for football and sourced from the Wall Street Journal as provided by Nerdlinger here (https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-922385.html).

Looking at the valuations of the current ACC and XII schools:
Texas, $1,105,493,378, XII
Oklahoma, $885,558,053, XII
Clemson, $298,951,865, ACC
Florida St, $289,776,745, ACC
Virginia Tech, $278,315,358, ACC
Kansas St, $277,146,330, XII
Oklahoma St, $270,953,731, XII
Texas Tech, $244,097,131, XII
Georgia Tech, $215,013,855, ACC
Kansas, $208,020,519, XII
Miami, $193,474,341, ACC
TCU, $191,286,297, XII
Iowa St, $187,819,863, XII
North Carolina St, $179,255,274, ACC
Louisville, $175,765,264, ACC
North Carolina, $155,246,919, ACC
Virginia, $134,926,313, ACC
Syracuse, $131,057,725, ACC
Pittsburgh, $112,942,437, ACC
Baylor, $105,708,897, XII
Boston College, $81,051,159, ACC
Wake Forest, $76,590,240, ACC
Duke, $67,502,331, ACC
West Virginia, $61,134,888, XII

> If this group forms a 24-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,927,088,913 with a per school average of $246,962,038.
> If this group forms a 20-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,640,810,295 with a per school average of $282,040,515.
- Minus Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia
> If this group forms a 18-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,422,158,961 with a per school average of $301,231,053.
- Minus Baylor, Pittsburgh
> If this group forms a 16-school conference, the conference would be valued at $5,115,335,972 with a per school average of $319,708,498.
- Minus Louisville, Syracuse (Louisville is valued higher than North Carolina and Virginia but I do not see these schools being left out in this model)
> If this group forms a 14-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,825,162,740 with a per school average of $344,654,481.
- Minus North Carolina, Virginia
> If this group forms a 12-school conference, the conference would be valued at $4,458,087,603 with a per school average of $371,507,300.
- Minus Iowa St, North Carolina St

My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

Why would a anyone add UConn to a conference for football?

That’s a fair question. The alignment needed one more school and I considered several options. They’re still a brand name school, albeit not for football (but neither is Kansas or Duke). They’ve been able to sign some decent games as an independent. The options were limited.

They were solid 10 years ago. Even went to a Fiesta Bowl. They do add value in basketball, much like blue blooded Duke, UNC, Kentucky and Kansas.

They were mediocre 10 years ago, and that was their high water mark as an FBS program. Today, they are OK in basketball, but they don't have nearly the value in hoops as those four programs, and at least a dozen others.
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RE: So, What Exactly Would It Take To Make The ACC Competitive In Revenue?
(05-26-2021 01:59 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  My proposal would be the 12-school model. This would look slightly more like the XII (and I'll call it the XII) but it may be attractive for any future SEC or B1G defects. The remaining 12 schools would form 1 or 2 conferences.

XII
East: Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, TCU, Virginia Tech
West: Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech

ACC
Atlantic: Boston College, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Coastal: Connecticut*, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, South Florida, Temple
* Football-only

AAC
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Iowa St, Louisville, Memphis
West: Baylor, Houston, Navy*, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only

Hmm. Add Pro/Rel and give OU & UT immunity. Have thought in the past that'd work even without the ACC. Naturally for any pro/rel you'd need fancy money juggling to avoid teams' budgets changing substantially from year to year.

EDIT: And then you'd call in BYU, not UConn. :)
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RE: So, What Exactly Would It Take To Make The ACC Competitive In Revenue?
Easy question to answer: The ACC needs as many committed viewers as the SEC.
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RE: So, What Exactly Would It Take To Make The ACC Competitive In Revenue?
(06-02-2021 05:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  I think that the ACC has as much of Notre Dame as they really want.

This post sure aged well in a month.
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So, What Exactly Would It Take To Make The ACC Competitive In Revenue?
PAC schools ARE available …..To the Big 1 Ten …..


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RE: So, What Exactly Would It Take To Make The ACC Competitive In Revenue?
(07-27-2021 03:46 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-02-2021 05:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  I think that the ACC has as much of Notre Dame as they really want.

This post sure aged well in a month.

I think the ACC has the right amount of ND. Right now we get to play ND more than twice as often as a non-permanent partner from the other division.

Twice every 12 years compared to 5 times every 14 years.

Expand ND commitment to 8 games and suddenly they're in a division, probably not the one VT is in, and we only get to play them twice every 16 years with 2 8-team divisions and no permanent partners.

6 or 7 games as an independent would be better for the ACC but not ND, so 5 games is about right.
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