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Step it up USC and UCLA
I’m editorializing here but USC and UCLA both need to step it up if the PAC 12 is ever going to return to their glory days. These programs need to position themselves such that the best kids in CA wouldn’t think of playing any where else. Right now, 4 and 5 star recruits are one of the state’s leading exports.

USC vs UCLA used to be a must watch rivalry game and today it’s an afterthought. If these 2 step it up, the tide rises for the rest of the conference.

Larry Scott is to blame for a lot of the PAC 12’s problems but these 2 programs underperforming are a significant factor.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
I would argue the same for Florida State and Miami in the ACC. Sure, Clemson competes for and wins national championships but they are in a not so populous state and aren't even the namesake university of the state. I certainly think the ACC can use the Florida schools doing well just like the Pac 12 can use the LA schools doing well. In the SEC, Alabama has become the dominant force but the streak of six national championships 2006-2011 which made the SEC the unquestioned leader in college football started with Florida, the most populous state in the conference at the time before Texas A&M joined, winning two of the first three in that span.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
(05-16-2021 03:10 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I would argue the same for Florida State and Miami in the ACC. Sure, Clemson competes for and wins national championships but they are in a not so populous state and aren't even the namesake university of the state. I certainly think the ACC can use the Florida schools doing well just like the Pac 12 can use the LA schools doing well. In the SEC, Alabama has become the dominant force but the streak of six national championships 2006-2011 which made the SEC the unquestioned leader in college football started with Florida, the most populous state in the conference at the time before Texas A&M joined, winning two of the first three in that span.

Absolutely!

In our running list of under achieving blue bloods, we have:

PAC 12: USC, UCLA
ACC: Florida St and Miami
Big 12: Texas
Big 10: Michigan, Penn St, Nebraska

If these schools could get it together and take care of business, we wouldn’t have to hear about the eliteness of the SEC all the time.

As it stands now, Ohio St, Clemson, and Oklahoma are doing all the heavy lifting.

What sets the SEC apart is they have 4-5 blue bloods in Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and Auburn and at least a couple of them are really good every season.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
(05-16-2021 02:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m editorializing here but USC and UCLA both need to step it up if the PAC 12 is ever going to return to their glory days. These programs need to position themselves such that the best kids in CA wouldn’t think of playing any where else. Right now, 4 and 5 star recruits are one of the state’s leading exports.

USC vs UCLA used to be a must watch rivalry game and today it’s an afterthought. If these 2 step it up, the tide rises for the rest of the conference.

Larry Scott is to blame for a lot of the PAC 12’s problems but these 2 programs underperforming are a significant factor.


I think that Clay Helton is doing a fabulous job and should be given a five year extension.

(It has been 1632 days since Southern Cal has beaten Notre Dame)
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
(05-16-2021 02:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m editorializing here but USC and UCLA both need to step it up if the PAC 12 is ever going to return to their glory days. These programs need to position themselves such that the best kids in CA wouldn’t think of playing any where else. Right now, 4 and 5 star recruits are one of the state’s leading exports.

USC vs UCLA used to be a must watch rivalry game and today it’s an afterthought. If these 2 step it up, the tide rises for the rest of the conference.

Larry Scott is to blame for a lot of the PAC 12’s problems but these 2 programs underperforming are a significant factor.

The rise of Utah and Washington have hurt the PAC 12. They just don't get the national respect that California PAC 12 schools would with similar records and rankings. And, too much PAC 12 parity. As far as national relevance, the PAC 12 is at it's best when Stanford and Oregon are the North Division frontrunners and USC and UCLA are the South Division frontrunners.

Of course, you can't really blame the Huskies or the Ewetes; they're filling the void created by USC's and UCLA's underperformance.
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(05-18-2021 10:10 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-16-2021 02:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m editorializing here but USC and UCLA both need to step it up if the PAC 12 is ever going to return to their glory days. These programs need to position themselves such that the best kids in CA wouldn’t think of playing any where else. Right now, 4 and 5 star recruits are one of the state’s leading exports.

USC vs UCLA used to be a must watch rivalry game and today it’s an afterthought. If these 2 step it up, the tide rises for the rest of the conference.

Larry Scott is to blame for a lot of the PAC 12’s problems but these 2 programs underperforming are a significant factor.

The rise of Utah and Washington have hurt the PAC 12. They just don't get the national respect that California PAC 12 schools would with similar records and rankings. And, too much PAC 12 parity. As far as national relevance, the PAC 12 is at it's best when Stanford and Oregon are the North Division frontrunners and USC and UCLA are the South Division frontrunners.

Of course, you can't really blame the Huskies or the Ewetes; they're filling the void created by USC's and UCLA's underperformance.

IMO I think I would place Cal as the #2 team behind USC as the school the Pac-12 would benefit the most from being a contender. Cal has the advantage of being a state schools which is still a draw for the casual audience compared to a non blue blooded private school that is as exclusive as Stanford is nor would they be always living under the shadow of USC no matter how good they were like UCLA does.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
Why is the onus placed on just 2 schools in a 12-school conference?
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(05-23-2021 08:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why is the onus placed on just 2 schools in a 12-school conference?

They represent California and specifically Los Angeles and are also historically strong programs. Every conference would rather the "right" teams win. The Big Ten is loving Ohio State dominating. Would we be as popular if Purdue were winning? The Pac-12 doesn't want to admit it but can't really be enjoying Oregon dominating, especially since they haven't made the Playoff since 2014. If Clemson can win national championships, the ACC can deal with it. Oregon can't even make the Playoff and is preventing the California teams from winning.
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(05-23-2021 08:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why is the onus placed on just 2 schools in a 12-school conference?

They are the traditional powerhouses in the nation’s second largest media market. If they are nationally relevant programs then the PAC 12 is nationally relevant.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
I can agree that USC needs to step up. But their decline is relatively recent, and I believe will be self correcting. As for UCLA, I've been following college football since the 1950's and I have never thought of the Bruins as being any sort of blue blood when it comes to football. Over that span of more than 60 years they have won 58% of their games. That's good, but hardly dominating. Even if you throw out their last 25 years, they were still only 62% before that.

Yes, they are the natural rival of USC. That's more due to geography than to some sort of equivalence in football prowess.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
(05-23-2021 02:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(05-23-2021 08:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why is the onus placed on just 2 schools in a 12-school conference?

They are the traditional powerhouses in the nation’s second largest media market. If they are nationally relevant programs then the PAC 12 is nationally relevant.

OK, but Clemson is keeping the ACC relevant and they're not in a large media market at all.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
(05-26-2021 08:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-23-2021 02:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(05-23-2021 08:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why is the onus placed on just 2 schools in a 12-school conference?

They are the traditional powerhouses in the nation’s second largest media market. If they are nationally relevant programs then the PAC 12 is nationally relevant.

OK, but Clemson is keeping the ACC relevant and they're not in a large media market at all.

They have to compete for national championships to do so. A 7-5 Clemson won't keep the ACC relevant.
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
(05-26-2021 08:12 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-23-2021 02:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(05-23-2021 08:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why is the onus placed on just 2 schools in a 12-school conference?

They are the traditional powerhouses in the nation’s second largest media market. If they are nationally relevant programs then the PAC 12 is nationally relevant.

OK, but Clemson is keeping the ACC relevant and they're not in a large media market at all.

They have to compete for national championships to do so. A 7-5 Clemson won't keep the ACC relevant.

Translation:. USC is a more well known brand than Clemson is due to its stellar academics and athletic history.

How many rivals does USC have?? They have Notre Dame in non conference, as well as UCLA and Stanford in conference.

How many rivals does UCLA have?? They have Cal and USC in football and Arizona and USC in basketball.

Now, how many rivals does Clemson have that are played on a regular basis?? South Carolina is a big one for them, but I am pretty sure that outside the states of South Carolina, Georgia, and North Carolina, other than college sports nuts like ourselves, no one has ever heard of the Clemson-Georgia Tech rivalry or the Clemson-NC State rivalry. It's possible that some have heard of the Clemson-South Carolina rivalry, IMO, but Clemson-Georgia Tech?? Clemson-NC State??
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RE: Step it up USC and UCLA
Of the two, UCLA needs to step it up more. Look at the football comparison the last 10 seasons...

Overall
83-41 [.669] USC
63-60 [.512] UCLA

Conference
62-26 [.705] USC
44-44 [.500] UCLA

Conference Chips
1 USC
0 UCLA

Bowl Appearances
7 [3-4] USC
6 [2-4] UCLA

Major Bowl Appearances
2 [Cotton, Rose] USC
0 UCLA

Final AP
6 USC
2 UCLA

IMO, UCLA shouldn't be a part of the "step it up" expectation because they are the little brother to USC historically. You have to go back 25+ years since they were last nationally relevant when Bob Toledo and Terry Donahue were the coaches. Since the Pete Carroll USC era, Oregon, Stanford and Washington have stepped it up for the P12.
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