(01-12-2022 04:15 PM)HawaiiOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 02:48 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 02:33 PM)owlcarlos Wrote:  Bert Emanuel Jr was selected as the MVP of district 20-6 A. He completed 60.2 % of his passes for 2655 yards with 31 touchdowns without an interception. He was also the team’s leading rusher with 1030 yards and 15 touchdowns while averaging 6.9 yards per carry. What is his status as a Rice recruit at present? I know Rice was attempting to get him.

Rice has not offered him a scholarship.

You got to be kidding! Like his dad, at worst he would likely make a great wide-out.

To understand why, see any of numerous NightOwl posts. It's just unbelievable the current staff seems to go out of their way to avoid student athlete legacies. Unconventional wisdom I guess, but I have another name for it.

(01-12-2022 04:34 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 04:15 PM)HawaiiOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 02:48 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 02:33 PM)owlcarlos Wrote:  Bert Emanuel Jr was selected as the MVP of district 20-6 A. He completed 60.2 % of his passes for 2655 yards with 31 touchdowns without an interception. He was also the team’s leading rusher with 1030 yards and 15 touchdowns while averaging 6.9 yards per carry. What is his status as a Rice recruit at present? I know Rice was attempting to get him.

Rice has not offered him a scholarship.

You got to be kidding! Like his dad, at worst he would likely make a great wide-out.

To understand why, see any of numerous NightOwl posts. It's just unbelievable the current staff seems to go out of their way to avoid student athlete legacies. Unconventional wisdom I guess, but I have another name for it.

unconventional stupidity? Conventional stupidity? Has to be one of the two.

(01-12-2022 06:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 04:34 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 04:15 PM)HawaiiOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 02:48 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 02:33 PM)owlcarlos Wrote:  Bert Emanuel Jr was selected as the MVP of district 20-6 A. He completed 60.2 % of his passes for 2655 yards with 31 touchdowns without an interception. He was also the team’s leading rusher with 1030 yards and 15 touchdowns while averaging 6.9 yards per carry. What is his status as a Rice recruit at present? I know Rice was attempting to get him.

Rice has not offered him a scholarship.

You got to be kidding! Like his dad, at worst he would likely make a great wide-out.

To understand why, see any of numerous NightOwl posts. It's just unbelievable the current staff seems to go out of their way to avoid student athlete legacies. Unconventional wisdom I guess, but I have another name for it.

unconventional stupidity? Conventional stupidity? Has to be one of the two.

Mine name for it wasn’t as polite.

They are nuts if they don't offer Bert Jr a scholarship but maybe he is not interested? Has anyone contacted the Rice recruiter why he has not been offered schloraship?

(01-13-2022 10:16 AM)Texasowl Wrote:  They are nuts if they don't offer Bert Jr a scholarship but maybe he is not interested?

Oh, no, it can't be that, or that his grades aren't high enough, or any rational explanation like that.

It has to be that the athletic department has an irrational hatred of legacies, according to a lot of well-informed people.

(01-13-2022 12:54 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 10:16 AM)Texasowl Wrote:  They are nuts if they don't offer Bert Jr a scholarship but maybe he is not interested?

Oh, no, it can't be that, or that his grades aren't high enough, or any rational explanation like that.

It has to be that the athletic department has an irrational hatred of legacies, according to a lot of well-informed people.

he was interested, he no longer is.....his grades are plenty high enough....there is no rational explanation for not recruiting the kid...right now he is better than many of the kids currently on the roster, so it isn't his lack of athletic ability.....i've been arguably the most outspoken about this and i have never said there was a hatred towards legacies...i said they refuse to recruit them...which they do. currently BJ and my son are more decorated than anyone they have currently on their roster AND I know for a for a fact that there isn't a skill person on that roster who's hs career is even close to being what my son has accomplished football to basketball to track. last year as a jr he would've been the fastest guy on their roster...by far. there is no excuse...what i know is that they've burnt this bridge....they don't care so neither do i.

so when my youngest son who's bigger, more explosive and as fast as my oldest son(will be faster) hits the scene....they will have lost out on two legacies that could helped them be more competitive than they currently are. but as stated....they don't care.....so.....neither do i.

respect is a two way street and for years rice craps on its alumni athletes....we're over it and we're done with it.

I don’t know that it craps on its alumni athletes. This football staff hasn’t taken many legacies, but we’ve certainly taken (too many) legacies in other sports. Baseball comes to mind immediately…

(01-14-2022 02:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I don’t know that it craps on its alumni athletes. This football staff hasn’t taken many legacies, but we’ve certainly taken (too many) legacies in other sports. Baseball comes to mind immediately…

as an alumni athlete who stays in contact with other alumni athletes of various sports...we feel crapped on.....you may not and i know for a fact that there are others who don't feel that way.....as for me and the large number that i associated with.....we feel crapped on.

(01-14-2022 02:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I don’t know that it craps on its alumni athletes. This football staff hasn’t taken many legacies, but we’ve certainly taken (too many) legacies in other sports. Baseball comes to mind immediately…

Yup. It's football; not the other sports. This year's baseball roster includes legacy kids Antonio Cruz, Micah Davis and Tanner Fox.

(01-14-2022 03:05 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 02:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I don’t know that it craps on its alumni athletes. This football staff hasn’t taken many legacies, but we’ve certainly taken (too many) legacies in other sports. Baseball comes to mind immediately…

as an alumni athlete who stays in contact with other alumni athletes of various sports...we feel crapped on.....you may not and i know for a fact that there are others who don't feel that way.....as for me and the large number that i associated with.....we feel crapped on.

And your boys are double legacies, and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they could be the kinds of two-sport athletes that really help small schools stretch out their rosters and cover for lack of depth.

(01-14-2022 05:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 03:05 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 02:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I don’t know that it craps on its alumni athletes. This football staff hasn’t taken many legacies, but we’ve certainly taken (too many) legacies in other sports. Baseball comes to mind immediately…

as an alumni athlete who stays in contact with other alumni athletes of various sports...we feel crapped on.....you may not and i know for a fact that there are others who don't feel that way.....as for me and the large number that i associated with.....we feel crapped on.

And your boys are double legacies, and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they could be the kinds of two-sport athletes that really help small schools stretch out their rosters and cover for lack of depth.

My oldest as of this night has stated that he'll be running track at hbu when he's not playing football. So yeah could've had a 2 for 1.....

(01-14-2022 02:08 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I don’t know that it craps on its alumni athletes. This football staff hasn’t taken many legacies, but we’ve certainly taken (too many) legacies in other sports. Baseball comes to mind immediately…

I don't know for sure, but I my best guess would be that Rice would win more games in the next 4-5 years with Bert Jr. and Nightowl's son than with whomever this staff chooses to give those two scholarships instead. And my other best guess would be that taking an additional two superior prospects from the Houston area would improve relations with the Houston (and Texas) football coaching community, with whom some bridges need to be repaired.

I saw somewhere the requirements for winning listed, in order, as:
Talent
Execution/discipline
Scheme
Attitude

Comparing Bailiff to Bloomgren, I think execution has improved under Bloomgren, but still has a way to go IMO. Although I do think Rice needs to recruit nationally, I think the failure to include a strong Texas connection on the staff has caused a decline in talent. The pendulum has swung too far, in other words. I was never a fan of Bailff's schemes--on offense or defense--but I think the scheming on offense is worse under Bloomgren. I don't see how Rice can ever recruit the players needed to succeed with a "pound the rock" approach. As far as attitude, I thought that was probably Bailiff's strongest suit, his players wanted to play for him and played hard. I don't have any hard facts, but there have been enough rumblings about dissension under Bloomgren to make me wonder if he has somehow lost the team. They clearly do not appear to be playing as hard for him as they did for Bailiff.

(01-15-2022 09:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think execution has improved under Bloomgren,

Agree with the rest of your post.

Can neither agree nor disagree with this portion. Are there any statistical categories we can use to measure this, or is it entirely subjective(the eyeball test)?

Some possible statistical categories we could reference:

Completion percentage
Yards per catch
Yards per run
Penalties
first downs
Touchdowns
Scoring in the red zone.

It's a good thing that nightowl's son's aren't interested in getting involved in the disaster that is Rice athletics anyway. The disinterest sounds mutual. Mike Bloomgren is an awful coach and a horrid recruiter. Joe Karlgaard is incompetent to manage an FBS athletics department. Our class is hovering outside the top 100 right now. No real talent is being signed. Recruits typically run from coaches who have had four losing seasons in a row.

(01-15-2022 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 09:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think execution has improved under Bloomgren,

Agree with the rest of your post.
Can neither agree nor disagree with this portion. Are there any statistical categories we can use to measure this, or is it entirely subjective(the eyeball test)?
Some possible statistical categories we could reference:
Completion percentage
Yards per catch
Yards per run
Penalties
first downs
Touchdowns
Scoring in the red zone.

Regarding execution, I think the improvement has been marginal, at best, and nowhere near the quantum improvement needed. But Bloomgren's teams don't seem to have had as many false starts (maybe offset by more defensive offsides, which are at least more excusable). And I don't recall having to call a time out coming out of halftime because Rice didn't have a play ready. The part of execution that is not measurable statistically, and the most important part, is carrying out assignments properly. There is no statistic to measure who busted a coverage to allow a wide receiver to run scot free 40 yards downfield, but somebody clearly did. And yes, that happens at the p5 level and even in the NFL, but not with the frequency that it happened under Bailiff. We had two corners who played in the NFL for multiple years, and we were still horrid on pass defense because of busted assignments. I have not seen as many obvious assignment busts under Bloomgren as I saw under Bailiff, but by that comment I don't mean that there have been none. Maybe it's just recency of exposure, but I think I saw more of those this year than previously, partly explaining the defensive regression that some have noted.

In passing, I would also note that to me the great appeal of RU's passing attack is the extremely high level of discipline he would instill in the receivers (and quarterbacks).

But in the other three areas--recruiting (no Texas ties on staff), scheme (at least on offense), and attitude (based on rumors, admittedly, but there has been a lot of smoke for there to be no fire, and the team has not always appeared to be fighting as hard as they were under Bailiff)--do seem to have been steps back from the Bailiff era. And that was an era that couldn't stand many--if any--steps back.

(01-15-2022 11:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  It's a good thing that nightowl's son's aren't interested in getting involved in the disaster that is Rice athletics anyway. The disinterest sounds mutual.

I can't say how much of that disinterest was mutual from the start and how much was because after Rice initially showed no interest, they started looking elsewhere and found other opportunities. Considering that Nightowl's son is a double legacy, and has a promising younger brother as well, I find is rather strange that either side would not be interested. Nightowl can provide that if he wants to do so, or not if he doesn't. That's his (and his family's) business, not mine or ours.

(01-15-2022 11:52 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 09:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think execution has improved under Bloomgren,

Agree with the rest of your post.
Can neither agree nor disagree with this portion. Are there any statistical categories we can use to measure this, or is it entirely subjective(the eyeball test)?
Some possible statistical categories we could reference:
Completion percentage
Yards per catch
Yards per run
Penalties
first downs
Touchdowns
Scoring in the red zone.

Regarding execution, I think the improvement has been marginal, at best, and nowhere near the quantum improvement needed. But Bloomgren's teams don't seem to have had as many false starts (maybe offset by more defensive offsides, which are at least more excusable). And I don't recall having to call a time out coming out of halftime because Rice didn't have a play ready. The part of execution that is not measurable statistically, and the most important part, is carrying out assignments properly. There is no statistic to measure who busted a coverage to allow a wide receiver to run scot free 40 yards downfield, but somebody clearly did. And yes, that happens at the p5 level and even in the NFL, but not with the frequency that it happened under Bailiff. We had two corners who played in the NFL for multiple years, and we were still horrid on pass defense because of busted assignments. I have not seen as many obvious assignment busts under Bloomgren as I saw under Bailiff, but by that comment I don't mean that there have been none. Maybe it's just recency of exposure, but I think I saw more of those this year than previously, partly explaining the defensive regression that some have noted.

In passing, I would also note that to me the great appeal of RU's passing attack is the extremely high level of discipline he would instill in the receivers (and quarterbacks).

But in the other three areas--recruiting (no Texas ties on staff), scheme (at least on offense), and attitude (based on rumors, admittedly, but there has been a lot of smoke for there to be no fire, and the team has not always appeared to be fighting as hard as they were under Bailiff)--do seem to have been steps back from the Bailiff era. And that was an era that couldn't stand many--if any--steps back.

To this:

" The part of execution that is not measurable statistically, and the most important part, is carrying out assignments properly."

I wonder if some stats have relevance, even if no one stat is definitive. The completion percentage might reflect the QB's ability, or it might reflect on the receivers not executing their routes. Sacks against us might reflect a lack of ability on the O-line, or it might reflect a lack of discipline in the O-line. And so on down the list of stats.

(01-15-2022 12:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  It's a good thing that nightowl's son's aren't interested in getting involved in the disaster that is Rice athletics anyway. The disinterest sounds mutual.

I can't say how much of that disinterest was mutual from the start and how much was because after Rice initially showed no interest, they started looking elsewhere and found other opportunities. Nightowl can provide that if he wants to do so, or not if he doesn't. That's his (and his family's) business, not mine or ours.

I have seen nightowl's son play. I have seen him on video as well as in person. I have even had conversations with him regarding receiver play and reading defenses. I have no doubt he would make a difference at Rice. Of course it is an affront to him and nightowl when Rice fails to even talk to him. I will say that it doesn't take much to do an evaluation. It doesn't take much more to have a frank discussion about the evaluation and even offer advice. I did it and it was a great experience for me.

I'm not impressed with our 'national' efforts in recruiting. There's talent all over Texas and Louisiana. Local recruits are also more likely to not transfer out. There's stability in that

(01-15-2022 04:19 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 12:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 11:39 AM)Ourland Wrote:  It's a good thing that nightowl's son's aren't interested in getting involved in the disaster that is Rice athletics anyway. The disinterest sounds mutual.

I can't say how much of that disinterest was mutual from the start and how much was because after Rice initially showed no interest, they started looking elsewhere and found other opportunities. Nightowl can provide that if he wants to do so, or not if he doesn't. That's his (and his family's) business, not mine or ours.

I have seen nightowl's son play. I have seen him on video as well as in person. I have even had conversations with him regarding receiver play and reading defenses. I have no doubt he would make a difference at Rice. Of course it is an affront to him and nightowl when Rice fails to even talk to him. I will say that it doesn't take much to do an evaluation. It doesn't take much more to have a frank discussion about the evaluation and even offer advice. I did it and it was a great experience for me.

Thank you ruowls for the kind words.

our interest level for both of my boys and rice from age 0 - now was rice tshirts, sweatshirts, pjs, hats, attending basketball games, football games, and track meets, taking tours every time we are on campus finding something new to show them about the school and how cool it is....hell when my oldest was a toddler he got a rice foam baseball and bat set(he had a stroke like griffey jr....lol).

at this point we have zero interest in the school. after speaking with other alumni and seeing that they are receiving the same treatment, i am doubly disinterested. rice has lost a long time fan...die hard fan....a recruiter....an ambassador in the communities around this city and school districts around the city. I will only wear HBU gear from now until my youngest goes off to school, then i will wear his school's gear.

some may feel that this is an over reaction. if you went through what i went through while at rice, and gave what i gave...to see how terrible this team is week in and week out, then they look at my son, an alumni's son, who is more decorated and has out produced every player on your team and he isn't worth even a conversation. yep i'm good. there is no need for me to ever have any dealings with this school with the current coaching staff. When this crap-show of coaching and organizational leadership is gone i may return....until then be blessed and be safe.

add-on: men's track don't think you're getting off the hook either. if i hadn't made a big stink about it you wouldn't even be recruiting dj bradley(who currently holds the #1 time in the 60H hs division and his 4x4 has the #1 time in the nation as well). there was no reason that tre mccalla wasn't on your radar before I said something(ya'll did reach out after I caused a hub-bub). kid has done nothing but blow kids out year in and year out. the excuse is essentially they don't recruit sprinters. we go all in on cross country and the 3-4 events in track they compete in...lol. and we don't even do that well, we are middle to bottom of the pack year in and year out. so that model hasn't produced results at all. or are we hitting the mark we are setting for ourselves...hhmm

all in all men's sports at rice is terrible and the ad is terrible to go along with it. i have never had an expectation to be a nationally ranked team. i expect that every 2-3yrs we should be at the top of our conf and competing for post season games/tournaments. it's gotten so bad that our nationally ranked baseball team has fallen to the depths of mediocrity and we just let it happen. yeah just typing this infuriates me to the nth degree. i don't do passive support and behind the scenes support. which is probably why they don't invite me around ever. i'll tell you your good and your bad and won't blink an eye. my eyes are now focused on my two son's and ensuring they are reaching the goals aspirations and dreams they have.

again good day, be blessed, and stay safe........