(05-13-2021 10:20 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:16 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:08 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 09:58 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Much ado about nothing.

Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.

Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.

Funny how jealous y'all are.

You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.

Eh - I don't think it's much ado about nothing if they expand it to a 12-team playoff. In that scenario, I think the week after the conference championship games pretty much has to be a playoff weekend. There might be a little more flexibility with an 8-team playoff.

There aren’t always enough Saturdays to do what you’re proposing.

Take December 2024.

Dec 7 - CCG
Dec 14 - Army/Navy
Dec 21 - 1st Round
Dec 28 - QF
NYD - SF

^ This can’t work.

They have to put the 1st Round the week after CCG.

Right, because they would never move the NY6 semifinals off of 1 January - to Friday night the 3rd or Saturday the 4th in this case. (Sarcasm for those readers who might not have caught it - they don't actually care about New Years Day.) Just juggle the rotation so the Rose Bowl can keep their timeslot.
For a calendar setup that will occur once or twice in a 10+ year contract.

Current Army-Navy contract goes beyond the CFP contract, so whatever happens, happens.

Rose Bowl will be in the rotation every year, which necessitates the SF on NYD.

The Rose Bowl won’t allow itself to get relegated to a bowl with teams outside the top-12 indefinitely.

(05-13-2021 11:01 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:20 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:16 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:08 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Eh - I don't think it's much ado about nothing if they expand it to a 12-team playoff. In that scenario, I think the week after the conference championship games pretty much has to be a playoff weekend. There might be a little more flexibility with an 8-team playoff.

There aren’t always enough Saturdays to do what you’re proposing.

Take December 2024.

Dec 7 - CCG
Dec 14 - Army/Navy
Dec 21 - 1st Round
Dec 28 - QF
NYD - SF

^ This can’t work.

They have to put the 1st Round the week after CCG.

Right, because they would never move the NY6 semifinals off of 1 January - to Friday night the 3rd or Saturday the 4th in this case. (Sarcasm for those readers who might not have caught it - they don't actually care about New Years Day.) Just juggle the rotation so the Rose Bowl can keep their timeslot.
For a calendar setup that will occur once or twice in a 10+ year contract.

Current Army-Navy contract goes beyond the CFP contract, so whatever happens, happens.

Rose Bowl will be in the rotation every year, which necessitates the SF on NYD.

The Rose Bowl won’t allow itself to get relegated to a bowl with teams outside the top-12 indefinitely.

NY6 bowls as SEMIFINALs - Rose Bowl in the rotation every third year, as it is in four-team construct. Just make sure that the rotation doesnt make the Rose Bowl a semi in .the one calendar every seven years which sets up the very specific problem identified.

If you're trying to give ALL the big bowls their best shot at their traditional matchups AND give them playoff cachet, then they're quarterfinals, and you have LESS problem with A-N, even in 12- or 16- team playoff

(05-13-2021 11:07 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 11:01 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:20 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:16 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:08 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

There aren’t always enough Saturdays to do what you’re proposing.

Take December 2024.

Dec 7 - CCG
Dec 14 - Army/Navy
Dec 21 - 1st Round
Dec 28 - QF
NYD - SF

^ This can’t work.

They have to put the 1st Round the week after CCG.

Right, because they would never move the NY6 semifinals off of 1 January - to Friday night the 3rd or Saturday the 4th in this case. (Sarcasm for those readers who might not have caught it - they don't actually care about New Years Day.) Just juggle the rotation so the Rose Bowl can keep their timeslot.
For a calendar setup that will occur once or twice in a 10+ year contract.

Current Army-Navy contract goes beyond the CFP contract, so whatever happens, happens.

Rose Bowl will be in the rotation every year, which necessitates the SF on NYD.

The Rose Bowl won’t allow itself to get relegated to a bowl with teams outside the top-12 indefinitely.

NY6 bowls as SEMIFINALs - Rose Bowl in the rotation every third year, as it is in four-team construct. Just make sure that the rotation doesnt make the Rose Bowl a semi in .the one calendar every seven years which sets up the very specific problem identified

All NY6 bowls will be in the 12-team playoff, as those bowls won’t pay the money they’re paying just to have teams 13-20. Their relevance is tied into having top teams and nationally meaningful games.

So you’ll see the Rose and Sugar as SF on NYD (they pay the most) and the other 4 hosting the QF on the Saturday before XMas.

None of the NY6 want to be shut out of the 12-team playoff.

I guess the bigger point is we don't even know whether the expanded CFP structure will be 8, or 12, or 16 teams. But all the Realignment Board regulars feel compelled to make declarations of certainty.
And cancel Army-Navy.

Without even knowing what it will look like.

Again, whatever.

(05-13-2021 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 09:58 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Much ado about nothing.

Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.

Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.

Funny how jealous y'all are.

You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.

Jealous? Seriously?

The Army-Navy game was moved to the second Saturday in December recently for one reason only. It was available, and somebody would pay for it. IIRC, nobody promised that date would always be exclusively available to CBS.

From Navy's point of view, it was the only way they could compete for their conference championship and still end their season with this traditional game. But that's no reason to inconvenience the other 128 FBS schools.

A solution would be for Navy to move the Army game back to Thanksgiving. They could be exclusive right now if they played it on Thanksgiving Day, since no other FBS game is scheduled then. As long as both schools are willing to accept bowl invitations, it's not like the game would be the season ending game for them.

"Exclusive" - unless you count the NFL playing from about noon to about midnight.

(05-13-2021 10:43 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-12-2021 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Army/Navy game typically enjoys the 2nd Saturday in December all by themselves.

If the CFP expands, does that weekend become the opening round of the playoffs?

What’s CBS, Army, and Navy to do? Do they stay on that weekend and compete with ESPN’s 4 (?) playoff games that weekend? Or would CCG weekend be better? Maybe they go to week 0?

The game can always be moved back to the last weekend of the season on rivalry weekend if need be.

Right, but then you’re competing against everyone else’s big rivalry game.

Honestly, I think Army-Navy the 2nd weekend of December is probably safe.

Playing the first round of the playoffs (12 or 16 teams) the 3rd weekend of December makes more sense and allows more time to make game day arrangements.

That 3rd Saturday is going to fall somewhere between the 15th and 21st of December.

(05-13-2021 12:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:43 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-12-2021 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Army/Navy game typically enjoys the 2nd Saturday in December all by themselves.

If the CFP expands, does that weekend become the opening round of the playoffs?

What’s CBS, Army, and Navy to do? Do they stay on that weekend and compete with ESPN’s 4 (?) playoff games that weekend? Or would CCG weekend be better? Maybe they go to week 0?

The game can always be moved back to the last weekend of the season on rivalry weekend if need be.

Right, but then you’re competing against everyone else’s big rivalry game.

Honestly, I think Army-Navy the 2nd weekend of December is probably safe.

Playing the first round of the playoffs (12 or 16 teams) the 3rd weekend of December makes more sense and allows more time to make game day arrangements.

That 3rd Saturday is going to fall somewhere between the 15th and 21st of December.

Then you’re pushing the SF against the NFL.

You’re also giving a big advantage to the 5-12 winners by keeping them fresh and making the top 4 seeds wait 3-4 weeks.

(05-12-2021 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Army/Navy game typically enjoys the 2nd Saturday in December all by themselves.

If the CFP expands, does that weekend become the opening round of the playoffs?

What’s CBS, Army, and Navy to do? Do they stay on that weekend and compete with ESPN’s 4 (?) playoff games that weekend? Or would CCG weekend be better? Maybe they go to week 0?

Yes ESPN would.

The late Army/Navy game is a pretty recent phenomena, only the last 20-30 years.

There is nothing sancrosanct about that.

(05-13-2021 11:43 AM)NJMark Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 09:58 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Much ado about nothing.

Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.

Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.

Funny how jealous y'all are.

You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.

Jealous? Seriously?

The Army-Navy game was moved to the second Saturday in December recently for one reason only. It was available, and somebody would pay for it. IIRC, nobody promised that date would always be exclusively available to CBS.

From Navy's point of view, it was the only way they could compete for their conference championship and still end their season with this traditional game. But that's no reason to inconvenience the other 128 FBS schools.

A solution would be for Navy to move the Army game back to Thanksgiving. They could be exclusive right now if they played it on Thanksgiving Day, since no other FBS game is scheduled then. As long as both schools are willing to accept bowl invitations, it's not like the game would be the season ending game for them.

"Exclusive" - unless you count the NFL playing from about noon to about midnight.

Yeah, if it's pushed back to that weekend (and I'm not saying that's the best solution), Black Friday would honestly be better. It wouldn't be "exclusive" per se, but there's a lot less competition compared to the NFL on Thanksgiving Day or the Saturday of that weekend (contending with Michigan-Ohio State, Alabama-Auburn and other rivalry games).

Why not make it a week 0 matchup? I'm sure no one would mind then and it's not like Army or navy is really going to gain much with extra bye week they already have by playing a week after conference championship games. The opening game every fire Saturday game would be Army vs Navy. I would think more people would be desperate for football and turn in to the game compared to the game compared to one after conference championship week. Your going against preseason NFL and not playoff push NFL.

(05-12-2021 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Army/Navy game typically enjoys the 2nd Saturday in December all by themselves.

I think ESPN absolutely would schedule games opposite Army/Navy, especially since that airs on CBS.

(05-13-2021 09:02 PM)46566 Wrote:  Why not make it a week 0 matchup? I'm sure no one would mind then and it's not like Army or navy is really going to gain much with extra bye week they already have by playing a week after conference championship games. The opening game every fire Saturday game would be Army vs Navy. I would think more people would be desperate for football and turn in to the game compared to the game compared to one after conference championship week. Your going against preseason NFL and not playoff push NFL.

CBS might mind.
The reason Army-Navy is on the second Saturday of December, all by itself, is because CBS saw value in paying for that.
From 2016-2019, Army-Navy averaged 8 million viewers.
I'll put that in college basketball terms for you since I see Gonzaga in your bio -- Army Navy gets Elite Eight viewership. No really. In this down 2020 year, none of the regional finals broke the seven million viewer mark. In 2019, some but NOT ALL of the Elite Eight did better than Army-Navy. In 2019, eight of sixty March Madness games through the regional finals did better than 8 million viewers; in 2018 six of sixty games through the regional finals did better than 8 million viewers.

2020 is interesting: with pandemic rescheduling, Army Navy had competition...back in 2008, competing with CCGs, A-N was sinking to two or three million viewers, so what would happen with competition in 2020?
Sixteen rated games were played on 12 December (plus one on Friday evening). Army-Navy won the weekend with 4.91 million viewers.
In head-to-head timeslot competition, Army-Navy beat UNC-Miami on ABC, Wisconsin-Iowa on FS1, Oklahoma State-Baylor on ESPN, and Houston-Memphis on ESPN2. Notable games/teams in other timeslots included Alabama-Arkansas (noon ESPN), LSU-UF (7pm ESPN), Michigan State-Penn State (noon ABC), and USC-UCLA (7:30pm ABC). Army-Navy got more viewers than each of them.

As far as week zero, looking back as far as 2016, the best TOTAL viewership of ALL week zero rated games is 6.688 million viewers all weekend in 2019 (Miami-UF did good, I presume because good Americans were watching, hoping for the proverbial giant meteor). The next highest total week zero viewership ws 2.735 million viewers in 2017. One conclusion is that everyone is still on summer vacation pre-Labor Day and not yet ready to get into college football. CBS won't move Army-Navy.

Now, quo vadis is still right - ESPN would have near-zero compunctions about putting up a first round playoff game against CBS' Army-Navy game. I say near-zero, because their board room discussions would at least mention the small risk involved...what if you put up a playoff game and it performs like UNC-Miami, or Alabama-Arkansas, or MSU-PSU...and gets beat by Army-Navy?

(05-13-2021 11:23 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I guess the bigger point is we don't even know whether the expanded CFP structure will be 8, or 12, or 16 teams. But all the Realignment Board regulars feel compelled to make declarations of certainty.
And cancel Army-Navy.

Without even knowing what it will look like.

Again, whatever.

I think you’re missing the point of the thread. No one is calling for the cancellation of Army-Navy. The question is, if an expanded playoff interferes with the current exclusive date that game enjoys, when does it get rescheduled?

(05-14-2021 06:54 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 09:02 PM)46566 Wrote:  Why not make it a week 0 matchup? I'm sure no one would mind then and it's not like Army or navy is really going to gain much with extra bye week they already have by playing a week after conference championship games. The opening game every fire Saturday game would be Army vs Navy. I would think more people would be desperate for football and turn in to the game compared to the game compared to one after conference championship week. Your going against preseason NFL and not playoff push NFL.

CBS might mind.
The reason Army-Navy is on the second Saturday of December, all by itself, is because CBS saw value in paying for that.
From 2016-2019, Army-Navy averaged 8 million viewers.
I'll put that in college basketball terms for you since I see Gonzaga in your bio -- Army Navy gets Elite Eight viewership. No really. In this down 2020 year, none of the regional finals broke the seven million viewer mark. In 2019, some but NOT ALL of the Elite Eight did better than Army-Navy. In 2019, eight of sixty March Madness games through the regional finals did better than 8 million viewers; in 2018 six of sixty games through the regional finals did better than 8 million viewers.

2020 is interesting: with pandemic rescheduling, Army Navy had competition...back in 2008, competing with CCGs, A-N was sinking to two or three million viewers, so what would happen with competition in 2020?
Sixteen rated games were played on 12 December (plus one on Friday evening). Army-Navy won the weekend with 4.91 million viewers.
In head-to-head timeslot competition, Army-Navy beat UNC-Miami on ABC, Wisconsin-Iowa on FS1, Oklahoma State-Baylor on ESPN, and Houston-Memphis on ESPN2. Notable games/teams in other timeslots included Alabama-Arkansas (noon ESPN), LSU-UF (7pm ESPN), Michigan State-Penn State (noon ABC), and USC-UCLA (7:30pm ABC). Army-Navy got more viewers than each of them.

As far as week zero, looking back as far as 2016, the best TOTAL viewership of ALL week zero rated games is 6.688 million viewers all weekend in 2019 (Miami-UF did good, I presume because good Americans were watching, hoping for the proverbial giant meteor). The next highest total week zero viewership ws 2.735 million viewers in 2017. One conclusion is that everyone is still on summer vacation pre-Labor Day and not yet ready to get into college football. CBS won't move Army-Navy.

Now, quo vadis is still right - ESPN would have near-zero compunctions about putting up a first round playoff game against CBS' Army-Navy game. I say near-zero, because their board room discussions would at least mention the small risk involved...what if you put up a playoff game and it performs like UNC-Miami, or Alabama-Arkansas, or MSU-PSU...and gets beat by Army-Navy?

I think this is all a moot point or based on a false premise.

You know full well that Navy is going to want to be eligible to participate in the playoff. As a result, if push comes to shove, Navy is not going to continue to schedule Army-Navy at the same time as playoff games.

Now, there are ways to maintain the current Army-Navy date if there’s an 8-team playoff IF they play all of the games in the bowls and the national championship game is pushed out further into January. In contrast, I think it’s realistically impossible in an 8-team playoff using first round campus sites in December or a 12-team playoff scenario regardless of locations. That’s a super tight schedule even in the best of years. The whole bowl system revolves around people traveling to high priced destinations like LA and Miami during the most expensive and highest demand travel week of the year (Christmas to New Year’s Day). Most playoff scenarios assume that at least the semifinals will take place in the bowls. Realistically, you can’t give people only a week to plan that type of trip during that specific time of year. This isn’t like the Final Four or even the Super Bowl - plane tickets and hotels to Florida and California would sell out during the holidays even if they didn’t have bowl games. It’s already hard enough to do it when the bowl matchups are set during the first week of December.

So, yes, I think an expanded playoff would have the week after the conference championship games as the optimal date for the first round in either an 8-team or 12-team playoff. Each Saturday in December is extremely valuable in that respect and they logistically want/need to give people at least 2 weeks when you’re trying to travel to the Rose Bowl and other top bowl locations. Campus sites can have a 1-week turnaround for those games, but not the elite bowls.

Think of it in these terms: the powers that be certainly don’t want to push around Army-Navy. That’s not the intent. However, when push comes to shove, are they going to do more to protect the Rose Bowl or Army-Navy? I just don’t think the powers that be are going to shift the entire playoff structure around the Army-Navy Game, whereas they’re definitely going to tailor the playoff to continue to maximize the value of the Rose Bowl at a minimum. Playoff games in the Rose Bowl logistically need to provide teams and fans as much time as possible to plan and every delayed week for the first and/or second rounds in December goes directly against that here.

(05-14-2021 08:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 06:54 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 09:02 PM)46566 Wrote:  Why not make it a week 0 matchup? I'm sure no one would mind then and it's not like Army or navy is really going to gain much with extra bye week they already have by playing a week after conference championship games. The opening game every fire Saturday game would be Army vs Navy. I would think more people would be desperate for football and turn in to the game compared to the game compared to one after conference championship week. Your going against preseason NFL and not playoff push NFL.

CBS might mind.
The reason Army-Navy is on the second Saturday of December, all by itself, is because CBS saw value in paying for that.
From 2016-2019, Army-Navy averaged 8 million viewers.
I'll put that in college basketball terms for you since I see Gonzaga in your bio -- Army Navy gets Elite Eight viewership. No really. In this down 2020 year, none of the regional finals broke the seven million viewer mark. In 2019, some but NOT ALL of the Elite Eight did better than Army-Navy. In 2019, eight of sixty March Madness games through the regional finals did better than 8 million viewers; in 2018 six of sixty games through the regional finals did better than 8 million viewers.

2020 is interesting: with pandemic rescheduling, Army Navy had competition...back in 2008, competing with CCGs, A-N was sinking to two or three million viewers, so what would happen with competition in 2020?
Sixteen rated games were played on 12 December (plus one on Friday evening). Army-Navy won the weekend with 4.91 million viewers.
In head-to-head timeslot competition, Army-Navy beat UNC-Miami on ABC, Wisconsin-Iowa on FS1, Oklahoma State-Baylor on ESPN, and Houston-Memphis on ESPN2. Notable games/teams in other timeslots included Alabama-Arkansas (noon ESPN), LSU-UF (7pm ESPN), Michigan State-Penn State (noon ABC), and USC-UCLA (7:30pm ABC). Army-Navy got more viewers than each of them.

As far as week zero, looking back as far as 2016, the best TOTAL viewership of ALL week zero rated games is 6.688 million viewers all weekend in 2019 (Miami-UF did good, I presume because good Americans were watching, hoping for the proverbial giant meteor). The next highest total week zero viewership ws 2.735 million viewers in 2017. One conclusion is that everyone is still on summer vacation pre-Labor Day and not yet ready to get into college football. CBS won't move Army-Navy.

Now, quo vadis is still right - ESPN would have near-zero compunctions about putting up a first round playoff game against CBS' Army-Navy game. I say near-zero, because their board room discussions would at least mention the small risk involved...what if you put up a playoff game and it performs like UNC-Miami, or Alabama-Arkansas, or MSU-PSU...and gets beat by Army-Navy?

I think this is all a moot point or based on a false premise.

You know full well that Navy is going to want to be eligible to participate in the playoff. As a result, if push comes to shove, Navy is not going to continue to schedule Army-Navy at the same time as playoff games.

Now, there are ways to maintain the current Army-Navy date if there’s an 8-team playoff IF they play all of the games in the bowls and the national championship game is pushed out further into January. In contrast, I think it’s realistically impossible in an 8-team playoff using first round campus sites in December or a 12-team playoff scenario regardless of locations. That’s a super tight schedule even in the best of years. The whole bowl system revolves around people traveling to high priced destinations like LA and Miami during the most expensive and highest demand travel week of the year (Christmas to New Year’s Day). Most playoff scenarios assume that at least the semifinals will take place in the bowls. Realistically, you can’t give people only a week to plan that type of trip during that specific time of year. This isn’t like the Final Four or even the Super Bowl - plane tickets and hotels to Florida and California would sell out during the holidays even if they didn’t have bowl games. It’s already hard enough to do it when the bowl matchups are set during the first week of December.

So, yes, I think an expanded playoff would have the week after the conference championship games as the optimal date for the first round in either an 8-team or 12-team playoff. Each Saturday in December is extremely valuable in that respect and they logistically want/need to give people at least 2 weeks when you’re trying to travel to the Rose Bowl and other top bowl locations. Campus sites can have a 1-week turnaround for those games, but not the elite bowls.

Think of it in these terms: the powers that be certainly don’t want to push around Army-Navy. That’s not the intent. However, when push comes to shove, are they going to do more to protect the Rose Bowl or Army-Navy? I just don’t think the powers that be are going to shift the entire playoff structure around the Army-Navy Game, whereas they’re definitely going to tailor the playoff to continue to maximize the value of the Rose Bowl at a minimum. Playoff games in the Rose Bowl logistically need to provide teams and fans as much time as possible to plan and every delayed week for the first and/or second rounds in December goes directly against that here.

Well, this whole thread is a moot discussion because we don't know yet whether an expanded CFP would be 8- or 12- or 16-teams. We don't know yet how the current NY6 bowls will play into things.
But Realignment Board gonna Realignment Board.

An eight team playoff with the current NY6 bowls rotating as semi-finals or getting a #9-12? Using the second Saturday in December for first round / quarter finals is not optimal, it's acutally almost actively stupid.
Any size playoff wherein the current NY6 bowls fight to optimize the chances for their traditional matchups? That means those are quarterfinals not semifinals. Again, second Saturday for a first round in 12- or 16-team structure is three weeks before and excessive.
Larger size, with NY6 as semifinals, with first round AND quarterfinals between First Saturday CCGs and New Year's Day (or neighborhood)? STILL not a given that second Saturday is REQUIRED. Possible? Sure. Many, many variables that make the opinions here useless? Just as sure.

As far as Navy, and pushing and shoving, let's see...
The Army Navy game -- CBS, USAA, other Navy revenue streams -- provides about 25% of the annual budget for Navy's entire 33-sport (plus club sports) athletic department. Under the current CFP construct, the AAC CFP distribution, divided by 11 schools pays Navy about 25% of what Army Navy pays Navy. (And Independent Army only gets about 15% of the CFP money Navy does).
I don't start listening until the future CFP payout to the AAC doubles or triples...and even then it's not a slamdunk.

Don't forget my Public Service Announcement:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-921674-post-17...id17416655

(05-14-2021 07:13 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(05-13-2021 11:23 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I guess the bigger point is we don't even know whether the expanded CFP structure will be 8, or 12, or 16 teams. But all the Realignment Board regulars feel compelled to make declarations of certainty.
And cancel Army-Navy.

Without even knowing what it will look like.

Again, whatever.

I think you’re missing the point of the thread. No one is calling for the cancellation of Army-Navy. The question is, if an expanded playoff interferes with the current exclusive date that game enjoys, when does it get rescheduled?

Maybe it doesn't.
Maybe CBS goes toe-to-toe vs a first round (which still isn't necessarily a given, either a field greater than eight, or scheduling on that weekend).

And maybe a 5-12 matchup or 1-16 or 8-9 looks about as appealing as Alabama-Arkansas or LSU-UF or MSU-PSU did in 2020 and Army-Navy beats them.

No jealousy here, just logic.

A playoff game will not be scheduled around the relatively recent Army-Navy weekend.

Army-Navy is a great game and one I watch every year. I would probably flip between it and a playoff game. I think most casual fans would watch the expanded playoffs due to its impact on the national championship, plus it would be a new event.

Both academies would move the game in order to participate in the playoffs.

I don’t know how anybody can logically argue with this.

(05-14-2021 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  No jealousy here, just logic.

<1> A playoff game will not be scheduled around the relatively recent Army-Navy weekend.

<2> Army-Navy is a great game and one I watch every year. I would probably flip between it and a playoff game. I think most casual fans would watch the expanded playoffs due to its impact on the national championship, plus it would be a new event.

<3> Both academies would move the game in order to participate in the playoffs.

I don’t know how anybody can logically argue with this.

On point <1> - I've never suggested it would be scheduled to avoid A-N. I think that an assumption an 8- 12- or 16-team playoff REQUIRES second Saturday of December is imperfect.

On point <2> - That sounds about right. And getting some share of the audience on that second Saturday against what, one game in timeslot, maybe two, which might be duds -- may be the right answer for CBS

And that's why point <3> is not a given. Probably? Yeah. Messy with our new conference (that is, newer than Army Navy being on its current date)? Yeah. But you know what - the 2012 membership agreement includes the Big East (now American) pledging not to eff with Army-Navy, and does not include Navy pledging not to eff with conference's agreements with a future CFP.

I don't know why fans of lesser football programs (in bigtime conferences) like UNC and Illinois are emotionally invested in arguing with the Navy guy about Navy issues.

Move Army-Navy to week zero.

(05-14-2021 10:17 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I don't know why fans of lesser football programs (in bigtime conferences) like UNC and Illinois are emotionally invested in arguing with the Navy guy about Navy issues.

Remind me again when the last time Navy was in the Orange Bowl?

Also, I’m not emotionally invested and I’m not sure why you would assume that. I’m just offering my opinion based on logic as a fan of the sport.